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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:09 AM
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I'm not an Obama supporter, but...


if he gets the nomination...among other things,

1. It will be a great new day in our country

2. He will succeed in bringing millions of new voters into the process and increasing turnout

3. America will have sent a clear message to the world that we do NOT stand with our current government

...and he will win the election in a landslide.

So although he is not my guy, there will be plenty to celebrate if he does win.

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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:12 AM
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1. What you said is quite true.
Peace.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:13 AM
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2. I was just thinking nearly the same thing! (despite my cynicism)
Go Obama(and take care) --even tho I'm an Edwards supporter...
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:14 AM
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3. I wish I could agree--maybe you are correct.
The table is being set for a GOP win and our party is assisting
as usual.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:17 AM
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4. It's not all rainbows, lollipops and sunshine, though.
Barack has promoted an anti-gay preacher who has stated that gays can be "cured" by prayer. I find that insulting and offensive, as do many others.

Barack is getting lots of money from lobbyists and big business, which are largely responsible for the mess this country is in today. What do you suppose they are going to expect in return for all that money? Barack has compromised himself by accepting this money.

He will be better than any Republican, that's for sure, but can't America do better than that? We don't need to take 5 or 6 steps in the right direction, we need to take 5 or 6 LEAPS in the right direction. We have a lot of damage to undo, and a lot of problems facing us. Is Barack truly the best person to deal with these issues? How can he be when he is indebted to the very parties who are benefiting the most from this mess?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:35 AM
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7. Last night Marc Halprin, John Meachem AlHunt and one
highly respected Journalists plainly stated on C Rose.

Before I go any further, I support Edwards. I am not schillin
for Hilary.

They admitted the Media has given Hilary and unfair amount of
Negaitve Coverage and have given Obama almost a free ride with
positive coverage. Now that he won Iowa--My God, we do not
even know if he can meet the Commander In Chief Test. Oh yes
Shelby Steele was participating. Even he said Obama is like
a blank slate and people pile their hopes on him but we do
not know what he hopes or plans for America.

The describe the Media as in a swoon over Obama and "in love
with him".

I say they are setting the stage for a GOP win. and we just
empty headedly assist.

The GOP will fill up that empty slate real fast. BTW, Barnes
said some GOP changed Registration and voted for Obaama to
stop Hilary. They will vote for the GOP in next election
They were not voting for Obama to put a black man in WH
and thus cure all Americans guilt for slavery. They
were setting us up because they know in GE they win if
obama is candidate.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:34 PM
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10. They were setting us up because they know in GE they win if obama is candidate
I'm sorry, but Republicans are just not that smart.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:31 PM
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9. I cannot defend him, nor argue against what you state
However, I do know enough to know that we cannot know. What I like is that an Obama election would shuffle the deck. What comes out of it is simply an "unknown unknown", (an Herr Rummy might put it).

He could trun out to be the bigger disaster than Bush (unlikely) or he couls effect the country in positive ways that we cannot yet imagine. I like uncertainty wheb the alternative is the road to disaster.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:22 AM
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5. Very true
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:31 AM
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6. That's How I Feel
except that I do not have the confidence in a landslide for Obama or any other candidate Dem candidate.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:21 PM
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8. I sure hope Obama wins in a landslide, but ....
my faith in the political process, especially the mass media, is rather worn through. But a big victory for Obama and the Democratic Party would really be a step out of the pile we are stuck in now. BTW, the next concern is that neither Obama (nor HRC, if she gets elected due to dynamics I discuss paranthetically below) turn on the progressive majority of Democrats who elected them, and use their political capital to promote things like NAFTA without its sufficient labor, environmental and human rights protections. Obama seems the most likely to be a strong CANDIDATE, and the kind of president who will push for the kinds of things like environmental and human rights and labor protections, INTERNATIONALLY and nationally, that usually simply get trampled underfoot -- including by "Democrats".

Here's an election logic problem I think needs addressing:
When are the pundits going to start confronting the issue of how the primaries being front-loaded favors the previously well-known contender -- the one who was considered the presumptive nominee when the process started -- over ANY possible challenger or upstart, even one that might be at least somewhat well-known before the campaign began?

The way I see it, Obama could very well demonstrate his superior strength AS A CANDIDATE, with voters who are familiar with the candidates and have heard a lot (both + and -) about them -- winning not only Iowa but New Hampshire and South Carolina as well. This is not a far-fetched prediction, and indeed, Obama may be at least an even bet to do just that. (Of course, the results in MI, FL, and NV are another matter).

But then comes Tsunami Tuesday ("TT" I like to call it for short). Here, the inertia of the campaign is given full swing, and even the momentum built up by Obama with three major victories in the heavily campaigned-in states would leave him at a disadvantage in what amounts to essentially a national primary.

Curiously, the circumstances in MI and FL, the two LARGEST states to vote before TT, is such as specifically to PRECLUDE major campaigning on the part of any candidate that doesn't want to outrage the Democratic Party establishment; hence they are more like the TT states than the 'big three' of January. ALL OF THESE FACTORS SEEM TO FAVOR THE CANDIDACY OF HRC, ALMOST INSURMOUNTABLY, AND ALL ARE PREDICTABLE RESULTS OF THE WAY THAT THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY SET UP THE ELECTIONS.

It's time for the grass-roots and net-roots Democrats to start SERIOUSLY grappling with this issue. If this setup insures an HRC nomination, as it seems clearly to have been intended to do, AND THEN SHE LOSES, I think that progressives will REALLY have to think seriously about completely overhauling the Democratic Party. And no more dancing to the tune of the DLC and their 'why doesn't the Democratic Party dump its pro-choice platform?'(Al From) after the 2004 elections.

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