Her only play is to go negative on Obama and that strategy backfired before. She can't run on her record because the most important vote she ever cast was the wrong one that led to the biggest foreign policy disaster in history. The least you could have done is admit your mistake like Edwards.
Bye Hillary, thanks for playing. You sold your soul and it is time to pay up.
Good luck to Edwards or Obama. Any combination of those two candidates is a winner.
Wishful thinking won't make it so. Hill has a pile of money, national poll numbers,
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 01:14 AM by John Q. Citizen
and a big experienced organization.
While I wish what you say were true, it isn't.
I've noticed a whole lot of posts on DU lately where somebody makes some big hyperbolic pronouncement and then expects that to suffice without any real analysis or facts to back up the big pronouncement.
I think Iowa definitely hurts Hill, but it's a long way from being over.
69. If you know your history of past nomination races, you know that plenty of Dems
with less money, less name recognition, far less of an organization have lost bigger than Hill lost in Iowa and come back to win the nomination.
If you want to believe that last nights results means it's all over for Hill, by all means go aheadd and believe that. But don't be surprised if it turns out you are wrong.
Hill is my last choice for the nomination. I'm a Kucinich supporter, and while I assume he won't be our nomininee I still intend to vote for him in our primary (MT) even if someone else has sown it up by then.
But while Iowa isn't good news for Hill, it is naive (in my opinion) to assume that it means it's all over for her.
26. I'm not being short sited. I'm being realistic
With the schedule set up the way it is, where does Hillary pick up momentum? How does she inspire people when Obama is bring so many new people into the process? Especially with Edwards tag teaming with Obama to knock her as the establishment candidate.
92. It reminds me of all those times they thought they had stopped the Terminator...
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 01:42 PM by FormerRushFan
HRC's campaign eschewed Iowa a long time ago, and her support down the road is much deeper than anyone else.
I don't want to sleight Obama in any way, and I'm not a big HRC supporter, but frankly, IMO, she's got a lot more brains and guts than Obama will have until he gets this and another term as Senator under his belt.
Clinton's not new to this game, she knows all the tricks and how to pick good people who know the tricks as well. It's a game now, and her team is very, very good at resource management.
Frankly, I think it was a good move to stay clear of Iowa, considering the effort of kissing all of that corn growing ass to get a handful of votes. Add to the mix that she saved her resources and let Obama and Edwards duke it out.
I wish Obama luck. He's going to need it. Because the eyes of the Terminator haven't gone out even for the first time.
Thats not necessary, we all want a better President, and what's God got
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 01:26 AM by caligirl
to do with being glad someone is finished as though a wish could make it so. This race launched today, and we have a long way to go. Save your negative thanks to God for Huckashuck, gouliani, or any repug for that matter. As in 2004, we all must come back together to defeat the worst thing that can happen to this country, being overtaken by religious zealots and neocon idealogues. If we can stay on good terms within our own party its been known to have a better outcome.
on edit: I empathize with your feeling of loss having felt so deeply hurt over Deans loss. I did so much work to see him win for our diabetic son and stem cell research. Lashing out at Edwards 2nd place finish is really twisting what the significance of his finish really is. Clinton lost this round on her own, Edwards had nothing to do with it.
He pulled a second-place tie with the big money, big name candidate and put her on the ropes when she was supposed to sweep every state she ran into. That shows that 1.) he is nowhere near out of the running yet and 2.) when it comes down to it people just don't like your candidate, so how about you keep those things in mind. If Edwards pulls a second in Nevada and New Hampshire and Hillary gets worse than she did here she is done and over with, if Edwards stays close and tight he could pull it off but if he gets knocked out Hillary is finished no matter how it goes down as his people will be able to swing over to Obama's. Face it, your candidate is dead in the water since she couldn't pull the quick one shot punch to win the match.
17. It's not over until Candy Crowley sings (isn't that the CNN woman - I really dislike her)
Anyways, I think Obama has the momentum. A decisive win, and a very, very good victory speech. Hillary's myth of inevitability is broken. She needs NH, but it's gonna be a nail biter. I think Obama will very likely take SC now. I think the AA support for Hillary will shift (I think many simply doubted a black man could win a lilly white state like IA).
I'm impressed Obama could pull off this victory. I didn't think he could get the young folks to show up. And damn, what a showing for Democrats in general. I hope Edwards can remain relevant. I will still vote for him in the primary. I hope he does well in NH and SC.
I only know one woman for Hillary, a radical separatist lesbian. (That was a joke ladies, calm down.) The men I know for Hillary support her because that's the word from our senior senator, Inouye- and he calls major shots over here. Even those guys are backing up a little bit. The young people, the women and the progressives who aren't caucusing for Kucinich are with Obama. And some for Edwards, but -none- for Hill. Which is kind of a shame, she's a great lady.
The big turnout is a referendum on Bush. The more America hates Bush the more Obama benefits. People see Hillary as Bush light. The fact that young people may finally have an impact in an election is cause to rejoice and their votes are mostly going to Obama.
What could Hillary possibly do at this point to turn things around? The war is her albatross. Can't you people get that?
45. I wouldn't be so quick to discount Hillary Clinton...
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 02:29 AM by Stand and Fight
The woman is a fighter, and I think it is a huge blunder to decry her conviction and chances so soon. It is relevant that most of those who have gone on to be president -- rightfully -- in recent memory lost Iowa: Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, William J. Clinton...
47. OK, no Edwards or Obama voter is waking up in New Hampshire
today thinking, hey I think I am switching to Hillary. However the seed of doubt which has always festered among HRC supporters is growing roots and starting to sprout. Once that happens, watch it grow.
Iowa made it a 2 horse race: Hillary and Obama (I like Edwards but he really has no chance). Obama will probably win New Hampshire and South Carolina - after that, Hillary's 20 point lead which she currently has in national polls, will shrink substantially. Whether it will shrink enough for Obama to overtake her by February 3rd is anybody's guess.
An establishment candidate with as much name-recognition and money as Hillary has, might be able to lose the first few states and still win the nomination.
58. Obama's victory is clearly a victory for Hillary hatred. It's neither positive nor unifying.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 07:46 AM by Perry Logan
That explains the subdued mood here at DU today. The Obamites are celebrating, but after months of calling everyone in the opposing camp liars and cheats, all the "unity" shit seems hypocritical, to say the least.
who told you this is so? since you seem way, way, too sure of yourself....do you have inside information, the rest of us may not?...personally...I am a little leery about this win of Obama's....it seems surreal...as though it's all a smokescreen...I don't have a candidate, so I am not saying anything against any of them...but for someone to come here and make a blatant statement like you just did...well, frankly, my dear, it makes me wonder what you know, who told you...and if you'd be willing to share the information with the rest of us...I find such a strong statement regarding Hillary's quest of the nomination very interesting....wb
I'm sure you have an inside track that the rest of don't to be able to maintain such an inviolate and absolute truth as the one you postulated... much like almost every other supporter in every other campaign for the past two hundred years or so. :eyes:
But as I've neither chosen on nor ruled out a candidate yet, I'm forced to maintain ignorance on and of the future, offering nothing more than predictions, hopes and wishes.
Since you're so good at this, maybe you could make a list of NFC winners for the next dozen years or so? My bookie would hate you, but I'd throw a few bucks your way... ("Well, it doesn't work that way..." said the psychic huckster on late night cable)
Hillary has been the darling of the MSM since day one, she has been using Bill to do her dirty work, she has tons of cash (mostly from corporations) and she still could only take third. She has nothing and can go nowhere because she F***** up her vote on Iraq and then didn't even have the guts to admit it was a mistake. She's finished, period and now we actually have a good chance in the GE, where we had none with Hillary.
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