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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:29 AM
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Stand for Change?
Standing for change means bi-partisanship? Working with Republicans? Coming to a concensus with the assholes on the other side of the aisle? Working with Insurance, Health and Energy corporations?

NO THANK YOU!

Change to me means fight all of these bastards that have gotten us to where we are today.

THAT FOLKS IS REAL CHANGE!


VOTE FOR JOHN EDWARDS IF YOU WANT REAL CHANGE!

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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:35 AM
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1. working without any bipartisanship, means (i am afraid)

51% of the popular vote, and welcome more republican rule...
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:37 AM
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2. That is not where this country is today. They want REAL change
We have been doing the same damn thing for eight years.

We need REAL change.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:45 AM
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4. i am all for real change...
but as the entire house, senate, and court is not also being swapped out for new blood (nor, do i suspect that there are enough people interested in legitimate change waiting in the wings capable of taking power) then i think we need someone who can work with those in office to coerce change.

the system as it stands is inherently corrupt. better to try to work with it for good, than to bang your head against a wall.

the key in going to be finesse.

i am afraid we will just get someone who has been working out at the gym and wants to flex their muscles. what we need is a dem with some good kung fu in there.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:47 AM
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5. How do you think it got that way? It got that way because of all of the
things he is saying is what they have been doing all along!
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:51 AM
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7. i disagree

working with people with whom you disagree is not necessarily the same as abandoning ideals.

there is no government without cooperation.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:39 AM
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3. It all depends if the nominee has coat tails and is able to bring in a fresh crop of Dems downticket
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:49 AM
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6. You understand the real politics.
You can not have bi-partisanship with a dictator or fascist regime. To them the only bi-partisan goal is their goals - continue to funnel our national wealth into the hands of the elite wealthy oligarchy, continue to start wars for profit, continue to remove all controls on cannibal capitalists, continue to rob the middle class for the enrichment of a handful of wealthy fools.

Just like when the socialist in Italy tried to appease Mussolini, working with fascists only gets you more fascism.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:21 AM
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8. Edwards vows to include republicans in cabinet. explain.
John Edwards vowed Monday to include Republicans in his Cabinet if he's elected president.
"Here's why: because I'm looking for the strongest, most capable, most independent-minded people I can find. I want people around me who will say, 'You're wrong about this, and you could do grave damage if you do it. Mr. President, you need to change your mind,'" he said. "Because I'm not perfect, I'm capable of making mistakes."

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?...
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