Hillary vs. Kucinich: the Battle for the Democratic Party

[flvegan]

This political process of ours is fascinating to witness, on the eve of a new primary season ripe for change after President Bush and two failed Congresses have plunged the nation's wealth distribution some 100 years backwards to the days of the robber barons. We are 5 years into a staged war whose cost is still hidden, leaving us a grim economic outlook, record debt with spiraling interest and our military readiness at dangerous lows. Our most valued industries have been parceled out to multinationals and our financial markets are artificially held together by nations who sell us goods or hold our debt. Unfortunately, as a nation we have learned almost nothing from this - we stand poised to elect leaders who will not be confronting many of these issues.

The 2006 election showed how slow people are to wake up, even when faced with the prospect of endless war and a host of unconstitutional improprieties staring us in the face. The basis of our electoral system is legal bribery, with corporate cash and special interests speaking many times louder then the will of the people on almost every issue.

2006's electoral outcome gave the US a reversal of power in appearance only - the slim majority afforded the Dems has done nothing to stop the war, the #1 concern cited by voters. The current Congress won't stop the torture or wiretapping or the defense contract cronyism without oversight. Faced with this, what is the 2008 voter to do?

Let's look at the choices, but let's play out the scenarios too. And in each case, let's look critically at the process by which we decide who to vote for - and check our own decision-making and ethics as American citizens who all have a duty to participate, enforcing the Constitution the country was founded upon.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_gustav_w_071226_hillary_vs__kucinich.htm

A little something for almost everyone in this article. Enjoy.

[Frances]

1. Why Hillary vs Kucinich?

If Kucinich is the "leftest" of the candidates, wouldn't Obama be the "rightest" of the candidates?

Obama is the one who wants Arnold and other Repubs in his cabinet. I don't like the idea of Arnold because Arnold became governor of my state (CA) only because Cheney and the Repubs allowed Enron to rape the state. Then Cheney blocked the duly elected Dem governor and even our Repub friendly Dem Senator Feinstein from doing anything about the rape. The people in CA fell for the Repub argument that the Dems were at fault for their high electric bills and recalled the Dem governor.

[sniffa]

2. brilliant

i really can't fucking wait for this primary to be over with so i don't have to hurt my brain by reading some of the stuff here.

[Didereaux]

4. nah, they recalled Grey Davis because he did NOTHING!

[Frances]

7. Since you used the word "they"

I take it that you weren't in California for the recall election. I was.

[Didereaux]

8. so were half my relatives and friends!

Davis was a 'do nothing' idiot.

[Frances]

9. So I should "thank" your family and friends

for replacing a democratically elected Democratic governor with a REPUBLICAN governor.

I don't understand why your family thought Gray could stop Bush and Cheney when no one else could. Er, Iraq comes to mind.

[Didereaux]

10. There was that little thing about 'competence' involved. Stupidity and incompetence are not options

for leaders at any level. Did they or I support Arno? No, but neither was he the pick of the Neo-Cons or twirly-eyed religious set....soooooooooo Out with the known and in with an unknown, sometimes you have to gamble.

[Frances]

11. So, you are accusing a Dem governor of stupidity and incompetence

and giving Bush and Cheney who engineered the whole electricty crisis in CA a pass.

Unbelievable.

By the way, of course Bush and Cheney backed Arnold. They knew he was their best candidate and they wanted to win. A Republican governor is heading CA as we go into the 2008 election. That's exactly what they wanted.

[Didereaux]

12. Davis, stupid? Yes Lay & Co engineered that and Cheney gave them the pass go.

which has NOTHING to do with Gray Davis' or your intelligence!

[Frances]

13. Gray Davis got the blame for the Lay fiasco

Other than being super boring and having a super clean family values life, there was nothing wrong with Gray Davis.

He was a better governor as far as the welfare of ordinary people than Arnold.

[Didereaux]

3. Bet a dollar Clintons hdqtrs think Kucinich has already boarded the saucer!

[flvegan]

5. C'mon, the Clinton folks aren't THAT ignorant.

Oh, wait...

[sniffa]

6. ..

:rofl:

[Peace 2008]

14. kick

[flvegan]

15. Welcome to DU!

[LWolf]

16. I don't mind saying that this is a clear and compelling goal for me:

<snip>

Electing Kucinich would be the ultimate blow to the power-drunk DC establishment. Dennis advocates taking decisive legal action against government corruption and has already drafted legislation Congress pursue investigations into crimes and misdemeanors committed by the Bush administration. He proposes a national health care policy that would be a death knell for the middlemen in the healthcare "industry" and make medical access universal, removing the for-profit "insurance" concept that has grown to hurt so many Americans.

[DutchLiberal]

17. Great article! 100% right on the money! Still, HRC will be the next president.

That is, if the elections will take place (I still fear Bush will pull a fake terror attack and declare martial law --and no, I'm not paranoid).

[superkia]

27. All he needs is something to happen to our economy, no need...

for attack. Attack would be better though because we would then let them ban using the word constitution or something else. They need either Clinton or Giuliani to get the big seat and the system will be happy. If neither of those two were to get their parties nomination, I would wager it all that there will be NO elections!!!!!!

[bvar22]

18. !

[onenote]

19. thus proving what?

That Dennis Kucinich, Alan Keyes, Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo are all viewed as enemies by various corporate/lobbying, etc interests (or, to be more accurate, by people who work for various corporate entities/lobbying firms etc)?

[bluedog]

20. why would Clinton care about Kooch?

Mr. 1% is by no means any threat to her.

[LeftyMom]

21. Why the flying fuck did this thread turn into a fight about Gray fucking Davis?

DU is fucking bizarre.

edit: And I need to say fuck a few more times in this fucking post. Fuck.

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. I fucking hear ya!

LOL

[LeftyMom]

23. And if we're going to argue about former California govs, I'd prefer

"Pete Wilson: was he a genuine racist fucknob or merely a scum sucking panderer?"

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. I'll let you decide since you live in CA

Although I would lean toward scum sucking panderer.

[LeftyMom]

25. Probably. That whole prop 187 fiasco* was the dry-run for the national blame immigrants thing.

They probably figured if it would work in CA it would work nationally, though they had to wait for the economy to hit the shitter again to give it a shot, which also gave national demographics time to catch up, so blaming brown people became an effective strategy outside the border states.


*the thankfully overturned without implementation initiative about denying undocumented people emergency medical care and kicking their kids out of public schools

[NoodleBoy]

26. So I guess lack of nuance is no longer the calling card of only the right wing anyway.

Great.

I'm so glad to know that in your quest to get more votes for your candidate, you've decided to alienate as many people as possible. Good luck!