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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:16 PM
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Bhutto's statement on Obama.
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 02:39 PM by calteacherguy
BHUTTO: Well, I wouldn't like the United States to violate Pakistan's sovereignty with unauthorized military operations. But the issue that I would like to stress is that Barack Obama also said, if Pakistan won't act. And that's the critical issue, that the government has to act. And the government has to act to protect Pakistan's own serenity and integrity, its own respect, and to understand that if it creates a vacuum, then others aren't going to just twiddle their thumbs while militants freely move across the border.

I think General Musharraf did the right thing recently in admitting that militants are using our soil, but he said the army has nothing to do with it. But nonetheless, the issue for me is that we cannot cede parts of Pakistani territory to anybody; not just the Taliban, to anybody. That in Pakistan we have one army, one police, one constitution, one government. We cannot allow parallel armies, parallel militias, parallel laws and parallel command structures. Today it's not just the intelligence services, who were previously called a state within a state. Today it's the militants who are becoming yet another little state within the state, and this is leading some people to say that Pakistan is on the slippery slope of being called a failed state. But this is a crisis for Pakistan, that unless we deal with the extremists and the terrorists, our entire state could founder.

http://www.drudge.com/news/102307/obamas-judgment-proven-right-again

She was a truly great woman. May she rest in peace.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:23 PM
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1. Obama was right. I was looking forward to Barack and Bhutto working together.
Very unfortunate now.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:24 PM
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2. "Well, I wouldn't like the United States to violate Pakistan's sovereignty...
with unauthorized military action."

Don't let facts get in the way of a good distortion.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:33 PM
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8. continuing with the rest of her thought...
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 02:34 PM by calteacherguy
"I would like to stress is that Barack Obama also said, if Pakistan won't act. And that's the critical issue, that the government has to act. And the government has to act to protect Pakistan's own serenity and integrity, its own respect, and to understand that if it creates a vacuum, then others aren't going to just twiddle their thumbs while militants freely move across the border."
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:35 PM
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9. exactly.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:36 PM
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10. They "have to understand."
Exactly.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:37 PM
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12. so, your attempt to twist and distort failed with the facts.
but, don't let that stop you, dude.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:38 PM
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13. I'm not getting you at all.
What distortion?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:20 PM
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20. the distortion is to suggest that Bhutto agreed with Obama
She clearly said that she does not agree with invading countries but can see why someone would say that if the Musaraff twiddles his thumbs. It was not an agreement of Obama's position--that is a distortion.

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:25 PM
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3. What, is that the obamanation crying out from the sewer?
How nice of them to further attempt to use the death of this brave woman to advance their candidate.
Naive as their candidate. gobama...go home.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:27 PM
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4. Perhaps you would like her words silenced.
But that is not my concern.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:37 PM
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11. No I'd like to see you quite picking at the bones of a dead woman for political gain.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:39 PM
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14. I only posted her words, that is all. nt
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:28 PM
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5. This post stemmed from this post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3898350

There are also many posts on this board today regarding other candidates and their positions regarding pakistan and bhutto.

Why are you upset about this and not the other people?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:29 PM
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6. Outstanding.
Thank you for this!

Nominated.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:29 PM
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7. sounds more like she was
doing damage control on Obama's faux pas, in order to prevent rioting in the streets.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:40 PM
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15. ohmygod...how do you twist this into suggesting that Bhutto agreed with him?
She said: Well, I wouldn't like the United States to violate Pakistan's sovereignty with unauthorized military operations..." She said that Musaraff should act.

I cannot believe you are advocating bombing a soverign nation. This is what Bush did in Iraq. Ohmygod...this is something.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:43 PM
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16. That's not all she said, Evergreen, and you know it.
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 02:47 PM by calteacherguy
The government has to... understand that if it creates a vacuum, then others aren't going to just twiddle their thumbs while militants freely move across the border.

Obama was quite clear on this essential fact, and so was Bhutto. We cannot pretend will not act when action is called for. We must be clear what the conseequences will be.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:51 PM
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17. Kick. nt
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 02:54 PM by calteacherguy
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:59 PM
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18. President Obama is what the World needs.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:19 PM
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19. hallelujah for the new jesus christ obama...AND he plays basketball :-) nt
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