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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:01 PM
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Did Obama Campaign "Foul Up" ...Ministers say they Did NOT Endorse Obama!
Ministers Say They Didn't Endorse Obama, Despite Being Put On The List
By Eric Kleefeld - December 26, 2007, 3:52PM

A foul-up by the Obama campaign in South Carolina might be causing some bad publicity in the home stretch. Two ministers have come forward and said they did not endorse Obama, despite their inclusion on a list of endorsements that the campaign had put out, and two others said they affirmed their support only after the campaign called to double-check, with their names already on the list.

It could be that on a list of over 100 endorsements, a few mistakes were bound to happen through honest human error and miscommunication — indeed, the Associated Press notes that the Hillary campaign had the same problem last month with their own list of clergy endorsements in South Carolina. Still, this is hardly the PR that they want in the final weeks before the South Carolina primary, and the final week before Iowa.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/sc_ministers_say_they_didnt_endorse_obama_despite_being_put_on_the_list.php
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:06 PM
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1. NO
please refer to the DU Rule Book, pages 45-46, paragraphs 2 and 3:

A mistake is only a mistake if made by HRC aka Hillary Clinton aka Her Majesty. Any other honest misstatements of fact or information made by Obama (also see Edwards, John) are to be immediately forgiven and explained away as something "anyone could do" and "not to be worried about". If HRC makes the same error, she's to be excoriated with the harshest language. Corporate shill, neocon in pantsuit and the Queen are all allowable.

Should people persist in questioning the honesty of Obama (also see Edwards, John), please utilize the "you're desperate" speech found on page 2, paragraph 1.

Thank you.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:29 PM
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5. BIG grin!
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:24 PM
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10. k&r
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:27 PM
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11. You forgot page 47, paragraph 3
If engaged in a discussion with someone who is not an Obama supporter, use the phrase "Well, can you explain why Hillary did it, too?" everytime you reach a point where you cannot debate the facts effectively.

It is of no consequence whether the person you are engaged in debate with supports Hillary or not. The point is to distract and divert the discussion.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:11 PM
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2. Hillary made the same mistake, which the article points out...
But which you failed to copy or mention. Nice try, though.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:24 PM
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4. Please post the link........Many would want to read it...because
now that we are "down to the wire" alot of misinformation is being spewed out by the Campaign Ops....so who is to know? :shrug:
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:41 PM
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7. Zueda posted the link for you but here it is again..
And your own article that you posted states it as well if you read past the part you copied for your post.

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7453447
Clinton list of endorsements from black ministers not quite so long, AP review shows

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton's support from South Carolina's black religious leaders may not be quite as extensive as her campaign suggests.

Clinton got a boost last week when she shared a South Carolina stage with dozens of supporters, accepting what organizers said were endorsements from nearly 90 ministers in the state. But an Associated Press review of an endorsement list supplied by the New York senator's campaign found that some of the backers were affiliated with religious ministries and outreach groups rather than churches, some were wives of ministers, two were church elders and at least two were not members of the churches listed beside their names.

All told, about 50 different groups were represented, rather than more than 80 congregations as initially implied, the review found.

Clinton spokesman Zac Wright said the campaign never claimed the endorsements represented separate congregations and knew all along that some came from the same organization.

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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:12 PM
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3. Not as bad as this from hillary...
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 08:43 PM by Zueda
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7453447

Clinton list of endorsements from black ministers not quite so long, AP review shows

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton's support from South Carolina's black religious leaders may not be quite as extensive as her campaign suggests.

Clinton got a boost last week when she shared a South Carolina stage with dozens of supporters, accepting what organizers said were endorsements from nearly 90 ministers in the state. But an Associated Press review of an endorsement list supplied by the New York senator's campaign found that some of the backers were affiliated with religious ministries and outreach groups rather than churches, some were wives of ministers, two were church elders and at least two were not members of the churches listed beside their names.

All told, about 50 different groups were represented, rather than more than 80 congregations as initially implied, the review found.

Clinton spokesman Zac Wright said the campaign never claimed the endorsements represented separate congregations and knew all along that some came from the same organization.


At least Obama can legitimately claim a miscommunication but for hillary to inflate by more than half...that is absurd!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:34 PM
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6. It'll be interesting to see what creative ways Obama can use to generate pity
with this one. I'm sure there is some Hillary slamming that can be done here too by Obama's loyal pityist supporters.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:55 PM
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13. ...
so true, Gman. Sad, but true.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:47 PM
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8. A not uncommon thing in campaigns
Inaccuracies and murky tallies are not unique to the Obama campaign when in comes to touting the endorsements of black ministers in this early voting state — rival Hillary Rodham Clinton ran into some of the same questions after her campaign released its list of endorsements from black ministers late last month.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2007/12/ministers_say_they_didnt_endor.php

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:22 PM
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9. What a shame, after all of Obama's pandering in South Carolina
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:32 PM
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12. but did the racist penguins endorse him?
:scared:
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