Ron Paul going off with Timbo on Press the Meat

[jefferson_dem]

He's lambasting US interventionist foreign policy.

[TalkingDog]

1. with my libertarian leanings, Ron Paul strikes many sound notes with me

Russert was being his usual vindictively, smarmy self, bringing up R.Paul's planks from his run 20 years ago.

I think I would be much more concerned if a candidates positions had not evolved in 20 years than the shifts seen in R.Paul's. Ossification feels safe, but it's a very dangerous way to try to deal with an evolving culture and country.

If I were going to ever vote R., it would be for a candidate like Paul.



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[MonkeyFunk]

2. Ron Paul who just said

that the civil war wasn't worth fighting? That eventually, the government could've just BOUGHT the slaves and freed 'em? Nice solution. What if slaveowners didn't want to sell? And where would a Ron Paul government GET the money to buy them?

He's a crank, a nutcase, a lunatic, and a racist scumbag, and it makes my head spin to see anybody here support him in any way.

[mrcheerful]

3. Yet once again myth instead of fact, the slave issue wasn't an issue

in the civil war until England decided to side with the south, Lincoln then put the slave issue on the war to block England from getting involved in the war. But then what can you expect from pukes?

[Bullet1987]

9. Umm...slavery had everything to do with the Civil War

and it's revisionist to say it didn't. Every major issue involved slavery in some way, shape, or form.

[MonkeyFunk]

13. That's such nonsense.

Did your pants burst into flames while you typed that?

[Bullet1987]

16. The only non-sensical thing is revisionism...

Here are some causes of the Civil War...sparks that created the flame.

1. Growing Abolitionist Movement
2. Economic/Social Factors BASED on a slave economy in the South. Also the expanding Northwest territory
3. Election of Abraham Lincoln - viewed by southerners as a threat to slavery.
4. Missouri Compromise
5. Kansas-Nebraska Act

I can go on and on...but the above listed items ALL had something to do with slavery. So, to say slavery had very little...worse yet NOTHING to do with the Civil War IS revisionism!!

MSN Encarta really has a good and lengthy entry about the Civil War which you should read.

[MonkeyFunk]

19. I think you meant to reply to somebody else

I'm agreeing with you.

[Bullet1987]

23. Oops....lol

[BootinUp]

5. He said that?

you're joking.

[TalkingDog]

11. Go selectively edit content and troll somebody else, I'm busy. n/t

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[MonkeyFunk]

12. yeah

you're busy shilling for a racist right-wing nutbag on a Democratic site.

[mtnsnake]

15. Did you watch the interview this morning?

If you did, I don't see how you can say that he didn't sound more to the left than what our candidates sound like.

He's a crank, a nutcase, a lunatic, and a racist scumbag, and it makes my head spin to see anybody here support him in any way

Do me favor. Don't assume that comments about him here are a show of support for him.

[MonkeyFunk]

20. Yes of course I saw it

which is why I am discussing specific things he said on the show.

It just boggles my mind that so-called liberals could defend in any way a John Birch-type radical libertarian.

[mtnsnake]

27. I'd rather hear what Paul had to say today than listen to other Repukes pushing religion & warfare

Anyway, sorry about that, I didn't think you had seen the show. My bad on that :)

[ozone_man]

25. What sounds left is really just libertarian thinking.

He's not an authoritarian, except when it comes to religious issues like abortion. So, he's an imperfect Libertarian.

The reason Ron Paul sounds so much like Kucinich is that they are both libertarian. Kucinich is a left wing libertarian, while Paul is a right wing Libertarian (big L).

[mtnsnake]

26. Thanks it just goes to show how much I still have to learn about some of the intracacies of politics

[KoKo]

4. Well I have few LIbertarian leanings but Paul didn't sound as crazy as I thought he would.

I admired his courage speaking out. Maybe he's crazy but he made quite a few points about our funding constant war that aren't crazy...but the truth. Keep the money at home for the terrible needs we have here. Instead we have Sovereign Wealth Funds bailing out the Crooks who inflated the Mortgage Bubble and now we have the Saudi's and the Chinese buying up our country. America is for SALE...because of our WARS and the Military/Media Industrial Complex.

Ron Paul is saying much of what many Progressives on this site feel. I'm amazed that Conservatives are so enthralled with him. In my Conservative Fundie area there are Ron Paul signs everywhere... These are the same people who are the Uber Patriots who were all for taking out Saddam and supporting Israel and US bombing Iran because it would bring us closer to Armageddon.. What's going on with that? :shrug:

[K Gardner]

8. I was shocked to find myself agreeing with him on many points..

especially his strong anti-interventionist theme. He did not sound like a Republican to me. How screwey is that??

[mtnsnake]

17. Same here. It's amazing how people are getting flamed here for agreeing with what Paul said today

[K Gardner]

24. Flamed.. on DU?? Mais Non !! :-))

[mtnsnake]

6. Listening to Paul today on MTP, I think he sounds more to the left than any of our candidates do

I know according to some here that he's got a shady background with some racial comments he made in the past, and that is of concern, but listening to this guy speak today to Russert, I can now understand the current Ron Paul "craze" that's going on, especially with young people. The trouble with Paul's chances are that he is definitely in the wrong party. Listening to him talk about the evilness of the corporateness and how aspects of it are bordering on fascism, among many other things he touched upon, you gotta give the guy some credit.

I almost hate to say it, but I think he'd be a hit on DU if he were a Democrat, especially with how he touches on subjects like Bush and the borderline fascism this country is approaching.

[maxanne]

10. Ron Paul

appeals mostly to alienated young white men who have grown up in the post-Reagan "gummint bad" era.

Ron Paul has more than a shady background. He has a 100% rating from the John Birch Society. He was endorsed by David Duke - former Grand Wizard of the KKK. He just received a contribution from a white supremacist (Don Black of StormFront. org) - and he refuses to give it back. His old newsletter that he tries to deny being part of was filled with racist commentary.

Ron Paul wants Roe v. Wade to be overturned. He believes abortion should be decided by the states. I don't happen to think that a woman should be forced to be an incubator because she lives in some pig ignorant state that teaches creationism in the schools.

Ron Paul does not believe in the separation of church and state. He's a right wing religious nutcase - and a right wing Republican.

I'm amazed at how this nasty little man can fool so many people.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. There's nothing to the left about Paul

he wants a government so small as to be practically invisible. He wants corporations to have free reign and to pay minimal or no taxes. He believes states should be able to outlaw abortion. He doesn't believe the government should provide any social services.

He's a right-wing lunatic, who happens to be against the war, so that makes him a hero to some people who have no idea what he really stands for.

[mtnsnake]

18. There certainly WAS much to the Left about Paul today. I don't think you saw the interview

I think you either plainly hate Paul or you're basing your vitriol upon some of Paul's past skeletons that's I've heard about on DU, but the guy clearly sounded like someone from the left today.

[MonkeyFunk]

21. I don't see how anybody can say that

he pretty much wants to eliminate government.

Opposing foreign intervention doesn't make him a left-winger by any stretch.

[zulchzulu]

7. It was pretty amusing to watch n/t

[bigdarryl]

22. Russert is ALWAYS trying to trip up politicians on his show I don't know why......

these guys go on fat so show. Next week Obama is going on not a smart move in my opinion.right before the Iowa caucus bad move Russert will be trying to go after Obama with guns blazing