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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:42 PM
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Since Dean Quit, The Air's Gone Out of the Primary "Passion Balloon"
While Dean was still in, tempers ran high and allegiances flamed openly. But since he suspended his campaign last week, it's like there's been a huge deflation in the passion index regarding the Dem primary. I understand that there comes a time when things evolve and move on, but it's like the heart and soul of the Dems has gone on vacation as we ponder the Kerry-Edwards equation.

Does anyone else feel this way?
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:44 PM
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1. yes nt
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:55 PM
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10. Time to go to Kerry MEETUP. Only way to focus community on real goal
of taking back our county.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:57 PM
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12. Kerry meetups have all the passion and fire of
a Lawrence Welk re-run. Oh goodie.


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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:59 PM
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37. have you been?
:shrug:
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:44 PM
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2. My heart has sure gone - at least for the primary.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 12:45 PM by democratreformed
And, yep, my passion is MIA as well.

On edit: I now find myself following the party line - i.e. just wishing it would hurry up and be over with.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 07:00 PM
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38. gotta get it back in time to vote bush* out
:)
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:45 PM
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3. it sure is
I'm predicting turnout will not be as high as it has been too.
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GR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:46 PM
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4. Yes, And AWOL Story Has Been Dropped Too..
nfm
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:58 PM
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31. interesting point
I didnt notice till you said it, but your right. Just another way for the media to push kerry?
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jansu Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:21 PM
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34. We must keep that story in the front of the news!
Write every media outlet about this. Post it everywhere. Show up at every gathering, with signs asking Bush how he received an Honorable Discharge, If he did not show up for his duty! We have the power!
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AndyP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:49 PM
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5. Yup
I think it will pick up again if Dean throws his support behind a candidate.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:53 PM
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9. Don't count your endorsements before they're given
Dean said he's support the nominee. He still wants his supporters to vote for HIM in the primaries so he can add more delegates and have more influence at the Convention. Why on earth would he endorse anyone?

Further, both candidates are everything Dean was fighting against. Edwards has been all kissy-face with him, but he still represents some of the worst of what needs to be changed in Washington.

Don't be so quick to add Dean to your guy's endorsement column.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:24 PM
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21. Dean is fighting Bush, not other Dems
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 01:26 PM by emulatorloo
You are believing too much in Gov. Dean's "outsider" campaign rhetoric if you believe that "both candidates are everything Dean was fighting against."

Campaign rhetoric against other dems in the primary is just campaign rhetoric, and Dr. Dean is certainly aware of that, given his statements at the last debate, and his beautiful blog statement on Nader this morning.

Dean is fighting against Bush and is continuing to do so.

See Dr. Dean this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x387208

edit add link
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:49 PM
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6. That's the problem of the primary fight system of winning nomination
Should we go back to the party elders voting for the nominee.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:52 PM
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8. oh, they aren't promoting their choice?
what a charade.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:56 PM
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11. Not just promoting -- manipulating
That's what has me so angry. It IS a charade -- we have the ILLUSION of Democrats choosing their nominee. It's all bull, a mirage. Just another way (manipulating elections) that they're absolutely no better than the GOP.
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buckeye1 Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:08 PM
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18. Extra! Extra!
Primaries manipulated by Dem.voters.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:39 PM
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27. Are 50% of the Democrats who are voting for Kerry a mere "illusion"
to you? I had a free choice, I could have voted for Dean, Clark, DK, etc. I chose Kerry for my own reasons. I don't get this ridiculous meme that only Dean supporters are "real", all other Democrats are mindless illusions. Sounds like the worst kind of elitist rhetoric to me.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:57 PM
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14. They did.
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:50 PM
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7. It is all panic about Nader now.
Maybe the chickens are coming home to roost.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:59 PM
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16. Maybe when people were worrying about Dean's 'electability'
they should have considered the Nader factor. Nader wouldn't have run if Dean or Kucinich got the nod.

Now, the same people who whine about how Dean was unelectable are whining about Nader. Amazing.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:42 PM
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28. Only a pink tu-tu Democrat would base his candidate decision
on what Nader would or would not do. And I sincerely doubt that Ralph would keep his limelight loving ass out of the spotlight regardless of who the nominee is.
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Mile Hi Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:57 PM
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13. What's the point
Kerry is a career politician. NOTHING will change if he is elected.

Different man same result.
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buckeye1 Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:11 PM
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19. Right.
As the only non politician,Sharpton should be doing much better.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:59 PM
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15. That's because Dean was the only reason for any passion
this time...love him or hate him, the man is a flashpoint for injecting fire back into Democratic politics. The exact thing that gives the DLC fitful nights.
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buckeye1 Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:01 PM
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17. No.
High turnouts indicate there is a great passion to beat Bush. I think you are confusing hot air for passion.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:25 PM
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22. We'll soon find out. n/t
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:13 PM
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20. Yep.
I'm trying to get into some other stuff. My mind and soul need a break.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:27 PM
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23. No way
My candidate just had a HUGE turnout this weekend for his visits, and we're all VERY excited for the precinct caucuses next week. Who cares what the media says? Who cares what Nader does?

This thing's barely started. We still have 75% of the delegates to pick before the convention!

:D
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:47 PM
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26. Yeah, there's still one exciting candidate left in the race
although you'd never know it from the mainstream media.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:32 PM
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24. Uhm, I kinda stopped caring about it.
Kerry is boring, status quo, and annoying, AFAIAC.

Wake me up after the convention...
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:39 PM
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25. Yes, because we're back to compromise as our modus operandi
As November draws closer, expect to hear less about what Bush has done wrong. It'll be all about how we'll do the Bush deeds better.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:50 PM
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29. Where did the passion go!!!
I agree!
I am a Clark supporter, so I was very upset when he dropped out, but I kept watching. Now that Dean is out I am just bored with the fight.
Clark and Dean really sounded as if they were fighting for something, Kerry and Edwards are boring.....cheerleaders/trained monkeys......they don't have the same passion.
Plus, Clark and Dean's grassroot following was a wonderful experiece (I actually got addicted to the Clark blog, as I'm sure Dean supporters did to the Dean blog), but now it's a matter of just voting for the nominee. Unfortunatly, coming here is preaching to the converted, but come the time of the GE we will need lots of volenteers, donations, and passion that the remaining guys do not have!
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:51 PM
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30. Me! Me!
My passion and interest in this race literally vanished after Dean's departure. I guess it's just hard to get fired up about the candidates for status quo.

I will vote for the Dem candidate in November, but it most definitely won't be with my heart and soul.
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:59 PM
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32. Not at all n/t
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jansu Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:17 PM
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33. Dean Did Not Quit, He Still Wants Our Votes.
He has asked for us to continue voting for him. Just because he is not campaigning, does not mean he is not in the race. He needs delegates to take with him to the convention. With those he can still get our message across and help form the party platform. Do not give up. Fight on to the Convention.....they support whomever is the Nominee all the way through the General Election!
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:35 PM
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35. The tempo has definately gone down
since Dean and Clark left the race. Clark also had some great lines and kept the focus on bush and Iraq. I really haven't seen anything new coming out either. Dean and Clark kept getting news for new and different comments made about the corrupt government. I, too will vote for 'likely nominee Kerry' but I have to agree with the previous poster who said we are not deciding the nominee. My husband and I were very involved with Dean and we feel the media and the DNC decided. Some people started supporting Kerry but a whole lot supported him because they believed the media/DNC hype that he is 'electable'. We're both Dean delegates and will go on but it just ain't the same.....
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:50 PM
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36. Yep, booooorink!
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :boring:

Wake me on election day and I'll pull the trigger for Kerry or Edwards, but other than that I could give a rip.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 07:08 PM
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39. The answer is yes for me
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 07:34 PM by bigwillq
I'm a Dean supporter and since he dropped "out", I'm less and less intrested in the primary. I can't wait to vote for Dean on Tues. but I've been noticing that I watch CNN less and less and that my interest is not there anymore. I know this is just a phase but when the DEM nominee is decided I will get more involved again in the effort to beat the shrub.


edit: I don't know how to spell
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