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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:39 PM
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Bill Clinton: Hillary Will Call Upon Bush 41
Bill Clinton might have just done it again saying something in the home stretch that will cause Hillary's campaign a whole lot of trouble.

"Well, the first thing she intends to do, because you can do this without passing a bill," Bill told reporters during a stop in South Carolina, "the first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again."

A president certainly can do that. But Bill is saying that George H. W. Bush would agree to participate in an assignment predicated on his son being publicly acknowledged as a failure and all Bush 41 has to do now is say that he wouldn't. And beyond that, do Democratic activists really want to hear that someone named George Bush will be recruited to assist in Hillary's foreign policy?

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/bill_clinton_hill...
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:40 PM
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1. oy vey....
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:40 PM
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2. Oh God just GTFO
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:41 PM
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3. Yikes.
That's about 3 or 4 levels of what-the-fuck.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:42 PM
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4. Thanks for that, Bill. Really, just...thanks. That's great. Yeah. Thanks.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:43 PM
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5. Bill should ask the old man to endorse Hillary.
Hey, it worked with McCain on Lieberman.
The old man might just be addled enough to do it.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:44 PM
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6. I give up on the Clintons.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:33 AM
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156. Me too.
Hubris,Hubris,Hubris.... :puke:
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:45 PM
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7. Are you telling me the Bush/Clinton clans are in bed with each other? I would have never guessed. nm
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:47 PM
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8. This is all about family values, folks...after all, Bill is George H.W. Bush's "adopted son," right?
That makes Hillary another Bush family daughter-in-law. :puke:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:47 PM
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9. Sounds like he is gettin a dig in on 43...
But I see the Obamabots have their outrage ready for tomorrow...now that the Kerrey outrage had fallen flat...
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:50 PM
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13. "Sounds like he is gettin a dig in on 43..."
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 11:52 PM by marmar
You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby - round, round, round, round....


That wins the Category 5 eye wall spin award of the day.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:51 PM
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15. Sure...
Highlight 43's failure by calling out his dad to spread the work that his failure sons administration is at an end...

In any case, this is a netroots issue...I guarantee it won't be heard outside the blogosphere...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:09 AM
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141. I just read this while listening to Scarborough talk about this latest
Clinton strategery, so you're not quite right there. It's so bizarre, how could this not garner attention?

I think the Clintons might just regret this.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:48 AM
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122. So, you don't have a problem with this
Seems to me like Bill's ready to sweep everything under the carpet just like he did for his daddy, oops I mean Poppy.

He is NOT gettin a dig in on 43. He's acknowledging that his crimes will go unpunished.

Are you even old enough to know the history of Iran Contra, and how Bill let them off the hook for their crimes???




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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:56 AM
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149. Damn, wasn't it you that I agreed with on the bad form of "Hillbot" and shrill, and cackle?
Well, I will still try to refrain from that level of "discourse."

I do get the whole "bots" thing as a Matrix reference.
How the 'bots' would swarm at the slightest noise...
It would be funny if this were not so serious.

People dying and all.

i guess even a Hillary/Jeb ticket would be alright, according to some.

If Obama decided to have Powell or Poppy Bush as pseudo-ambassador, to tell the world "America's back in business" --would you find it a smart move?
Would you support it?
I would not. just wondering what your position would be.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:48 PM
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10. Is Bill TRYING to sabotage Hillary's campaign?
Or is he, and perhaps she too, that far removed from reality?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:52 PM
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18. i've been wondering that myself. what is he DOING! He needs to stop tallking...
he should read old speeches off her off pieces of paper and that's it.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:06 AM
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36. This is what Bill Clinton DOES - - goes off script & talks up Bill Clinton instead of the candidate
eom
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:18 AM
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53. Yeah, that drives me nuts. i wrote that to the hillary campaign...
that they needed him to stop talking about himself. i don't think he got the message. i even told them not to say that drug shit the day before they opened their mouths. grrrr. they don't listen. lol.*shakes head*
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:24 AM
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58. I've been wondering that for a little while now...
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 12:52 AM by Zueda
ever since that "against the Iraq war from the beginning" comment...

I suppose if I was a prolific adulterer I wouldn't want my wife being President.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:11 AM
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105. Either Bill's having a series of mini-strokes
Or he's secretly jealous of Hillary and doesn't want her to succeed.

Either way, Hillary needs to put a muzzle on him and send him back up to the attic with any other crazy relatives she might have. :rofl:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:48 PM
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11. You know, I've been over in GD reading all the Seigleman stuff
about the election thefts and other conspiracy type theories, and I'm starting to believe it embraces more people and has gone back further than my tinfoil hat previously would have let me believe.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:38 PM
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164. And it leads to this truth - we may be the bigger fools than Repub lemmings.
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 01:40 PM by higher class
If the internet has shed light on the rotten things Republicans have done and what they are getting away with, it's also starting to seveal things about Democrats. When I was more innocent, I was very bothered listening to Dems on MTP and other talk shows. Then I learned that I was justified. It all hurts to see all the little skins coming off the onion. I was certainly gullible. Every day the corporations make more ground - on to serfdom.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:49 PM
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12. Grand, JUST what we are all clamoring for.
:silly:
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:50 PM
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14. What the fuck did they do to him during heart surgery?
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 11:51 PM by kurth
Did they put in a pic of Daddy Bush?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:51 PM
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16. seriously.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:05 AM
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35. Obviously they cut off oxygen to his brain on accident.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:52 PM
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17. Why wouldn't she do that, after all, she's bush-lite in a skirt. rec'd
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rudeboy666 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:53 PM
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19. It's called being presidential
you know, acknowledging a former president, moving beyond partisanship, etc.

All this fake outrage and controversy is so silly.

A lot of you need to grow up a little.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:55 PM
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21. stop making sense
people here don't like that
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:59 PM
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27. Man common sense will get you nowhere...
The faux outrage for tomorrow has been set...expect to hear nothing but this from the Obamaward supporters tomorrow...and then consternation why no one outside the blogosphere eithe doesn't care...or gasp...thinks it is a good thing...
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:06 AM
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37. So you think she should reach out to this president as well?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:09 AM
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40. I think the current President should use the talents of all previous Presidents...
Regardless of party...Carter called on Nixon for advice for example...

But that presumes there is talent to call on...

While Bush 41 has many, many faults and was a very bad President...he is still respected in many areas of the world, particularly in southeast asia and he very well may be useful there...but wouldn't send him to the mideast...as that would cause more harm than good...

Now I can't imagine what you would call on Bush 43 for..since there isn't a thinking person on the plane t that thinks he has done a single thing correctly...
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:10 AM
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41. I think many here feel 41 didn't do a single thing correctly.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:12 AM
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45. Well that simply isn't true...however I understand the sentiment...nt
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:04 AM
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102. That was 20 years ago. What has he disagreed with Bush Jr. on?
That is the issue- why are we defending the notion that a current defender & relative of the Bush admin should be some kind of ambassador for reason & responsibility?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:06 AM
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140. What exactly was 41's particular talent? Overseeing covert actions that
murdered how many people in Central and South America? Dealing with the Iranians (traitorously) in order to throw an election? Providing arms to every tinhorn dictator in both hemispheres?

Please, tell me what 41 did for this country?

P.S. I didn't mention April Glaspie, did I?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:44 AM
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67. If we're lucky he'll be too busy with The Hauge
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:48 AM
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71. If you can't comprehend the out and out disgust towards all things Bush, you are sadly out of step.
No wonder you support Hillary -- you just want more of the same of this incestuous Bush-Clinton corporatist dynasty ...The whole thing just makes me sick.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:03 AM
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84. Out of step with what? DU?
Yeah, she probably is. I know I am.

Out of step with the rest of the grownups in this country? No, she's not. Most Americans would have no objection to using former presidents of either party for the good of the nation.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:08 AM
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104. No -out of step if you think average people trust the Bush family at this point.
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 02:41 AM by Dr Fate
The Clinton/Bush Sr. defenders seem to be forgetting that Bush Sr. has DEFENDED his son's actions almost across the board.

I doubt he or any other Bush has much credibility these days-inside or outside the USA, and it's certain that throwing around the Bush family name will not impress that many people anymore.

Besides, it makes no sense. So Bush Sr- defender of the current admin is supposed to be some kind of ambassador for goodwill & reason? Really?

Republicans, conservatives, DLC types and anyone else who sincerely thinks the world wants to recieve a Bush as somekind of goodwill messenger is indeed out of step with DU- as well as most of the world.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:45 AM
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69. A former president is one thing. A fucking criminal is quite another.
The Bush Crime Family didn't begin with Chimpy, ya know.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:02 AM
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101. Except Bush Senoir has AGREED with his son's admin.
It makes no sense to send out a Bush defender to patch up what Bush done. Hell- it's his DAD and political soulmate.

How in the world is sending a defender of Bush policy out into the world a rational, presidential thing to do?
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #19
108. You need to grow up and face reality
The Clintons and Bushes are two arms of the same evil monster.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #108
133. It does appear to be that way, doesn't it? I never wanted to believe that,
and yet the evidence mounts.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:54 PM
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20. as hard as it is for some to believe
this doesn't play badly in most of America.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:58 PM
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25. More proof that Hillary and her supporters are LITE on ideology
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:05 AM
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34. As I said
this doesn't play badly in most of America. Most Americans aren't stridently partisan.

And if Clinton can use Bush to further her goals, more power to her.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:16 AM
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51. As a democrat, you don't take issue with that? You people need to remember...
that this is bigger then Hillary and her "goals". Stop being so blind and actually LOOK at what you're supporting.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:45 AM
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68. Wow. .... Wow. Wow. Wow.
This post is sooo telling. "And if Clinton can use Bush to further her goals, more power to her." :wow:

No wonder so few people here on DU are Hillary supporters.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:54 AM
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77. by "her goals"
I meant the honorable goals she would have, as President, in restoring America's reputation in the world. Nothing nefarious about it.

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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #77
82. Yeah -- Just use that Bush Crime Family to restore our honor.
Great idea, Hillary.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:02 AM
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83. Do you automatically reject the work
Bush and Clinton did raising money for tsunami victims? Katrina victims?

They raised tenso of millions of dollars in direct aid. Should Clinton not have participated because you hate the family?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:12 AM
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107. Charity work and sending a Bush out into the world are 2 different things.
I didnt mind Bush Senior helping Katrina victims- but the idea of sending a current Bush Jr. defender and family member out into the world to patch things up?

It makes no sense- and I really dont see why it is a good idea.

Bush Sr. agrees with his son, right? He has defended him at almost every turn.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:02 AM
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123. Ummm, You do realize that Poppy's wife donated money that benefited her other son Neil's
scam of an education program. Sheesh, how do you even know if the victims of those disasters received those funds?
Charlatans will often take advantage of situations like that to benefit their own wealth.


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:16 AM
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142. Because it's a public charity
with audits and reports and such. Don't be silly. They've raised tons of money for disaster victims.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #142
151. Yeah sure, Bar also didn't have the stipulation that her donation would only go to Neil
I don't think I'm being silly at all. Everything the Bushes are involved in somehow will benefit them. Don't ya know that. Maybe you shouldn't be so silly.


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:16 AM
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152. So of the 100 million raised for Katrina...
how much do you think was kept by the Bushes?

The notion that Clinton and Bush bamboozled people out of >100 million dollars is just nuts.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #152
159. I have no idea how much was bamboozled by them
there is no way of knowing. I do know that there are still a lot of Katrina survivors displaced and not able to go home.

Why is that, do you think???


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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:21 AM
Response to Reply #77
127. How do you restore America's reputation in the world by partnering with
the fascist criminal pieces of shit who fucked it up in the first place?? :wtf:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #68
79. *double post*
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 12:59 AM by JackORoses
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:59 AM
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80. you know, Bush uses Clinton, Clinton uses Bush, It's one big happy family
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 12:59 AM by JackORoses
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #80
85. Should tsunami victims
reject the tens of millions of dollars in aid raised by Bush and Clinton, just to satisfy your hate?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #85
90. should we forget the evils a man does just because they can use their celebrity to raise money?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:18 AM
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91. Nice dodge
Bush and Clinton worked to do some good things together, wouldn't you agree?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:18 AM
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143. LOL, rAVES
you folks are funny.

I'm not defending anything about his presidency. I'm merely saying that using him won't be seen as a negative by most of the country.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:10 AM
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150. How is that relevant? "electability"?
because I was under the impression we where talking about how disgraceful it is.. not if she can hoodwink the nation...
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:17 AM
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153. It's relevant
because people here are saying it's politically bad for Clinton to have said this. I disagree. I think it helps Senator Clinton - not here on DU, but in the real world of adults.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #153
154. lol.. I think you dont know what the hell you're talking about to be honest..


But She's your Gal! I guess you have to throw yourself under the bus of ridiculousness to defend her...
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #20
30. Or even parts of DU
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #30
38. There's nothing wrong
with using former presidents as ambassadors-at-large.

And nobody has yet contested that this doesn't play badly in most of America. People LIKE bi-partisanship.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #38
39. So then you support Obama when he says he wants to unite the country.
Not a blue america or a red america. You're on board?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:11 AM
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42. Sure!
What's wrong with a united country?

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:11 AM
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44. Nothing at all
Just asking.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:14 AM
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46. Well I don't understand what you're getting at
I can only guess that because I support Clinton, you think I hate Obama. That's a mistake a lot of stupid people make.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:15 AM
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49. I don't think you hate Obama.
I have no idea how you feel. But a lot of stupid people/Hillary supporters refuse to acknowlege any positive attributes about Obama or anyone else.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:33 AM
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59. Well you can search my posts
I've been consistently supportive of Obama, and I'd be quite content if he were the nominee. I just prefer Clinton.

Unlike many here, I don't need to tear down an opponent in order to support my own choice.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:50 AM
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74. Depends on HOW the country is united

This was a united country. Not coincidentally brought to you by the Bush Crime Family.
But not exactly the precedent I would like to see America follow.
Though sadly, that is exactly the path we have been on since 12/12/2000. Arguably before then. :(
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #74
78. So you think a Hillary presidency
would result in Nazism?

How silly.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:06 AM
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103. I think the Bush Crime Family ARE Nazis
They funded the original Nazis, and they have spent the last 7 years following Hitler's playbook.

As a Hillbot, YOU should be extremely alarmed that your candidate wants to associate with these people.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:43 AM
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118. their friends tried to overthrow the government in the 30`s
and wanted to install a nazi like government in america...guess what they are really close to it are`t they?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 05:47 AM
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136. Now now now...don't try to confuse MonkeyFunk with the facts.
Besides, Harper's, the BBC, and the 1935 Congressional Archives are just a bunch of Moonbat Conspiracy Theorists, and cannot be believed.

Right, Monkey?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 05:46 AM
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135. I think a Sen. Clinton presidency would see all Bushie investigations quashed
"for the good of the country", the same way BillO quashed Iran-Contra, Iraqgate and BCCI "for the good of the country".

Which begs the question, exactly WHAT does BushClinton consider the "country"? Them and their coktail party pals? Because it sure isn't the Filthy Little Nobodies that do most of the working and living and dying in country.

Oh, and one more thing I would expect from a Sen. Clinton pResidency: that nothing of substance would be done to restore the System of Checks and Balances, so that, when the next Bushie (do they dare choose another one from BushClinton...I don't think it matters, they know they own us all like Bobbie Lee owned his slaves) comes along they can pretty much start up where Bushler left off.

This is exactly, in retrospect, what Dubya did after 8 years of ClintonBush mysteriously failed to repair any of the damage to our System of Checks and Balances such that Dubya picked up right where Poppy left off in '92.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:20 AM
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55. :D,
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 12:29 AM by annie1
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:16 AM
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126. Suurrre they do, the republicons are ALL about bi-partisanship
:rofl:

Seems you don't know your history very well. The republicons have NEVER been bi-partisan. And unfortunately they NEVER will.


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:19 AM
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144. ex-presidents tend to be
Carter worked closely with Ford on some issues, Bill Clinton and George H. W. Bush have done plenty of work in disaster relief.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:46 AM
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157. I seem to remember how Bill decided to be bi partisan, it worked soooo well
Newt shutting down the government more than once. Bill's great work on welfare reform, that turned out to be a disaster. NAFTA, which was started under Poppy. Then there was Waco where he had the national guard sent in. More globalization.
Bill never met a republicon he didn't like. Meanwhile the republicons stabbed him in the back repeatedly and yet he continued to befriend them.

Why is that???

Maybe since you are ALL for the Bushes and Clinton love-fest maybe HRC could get Lil' Brother Jebbie to be her running mate. Boy oh boy, wouldn't that just unite our country. :puke:

Count me out. I don't want anymore bi-partisanship. It only works to the advantage of the republicons and the Ruling Class. Which neither you nor I belong too.



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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:49 AM
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132. Bush snr like his son is a god dam Criminal.. your defence of this is so typical of the Hillbots..
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 04:49 AM by rAVES
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:23 AM
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146. and your inability
to discuss something without resorting to childish name-calling and insults is so typical of you clinton-haters.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:32 AM
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112. I find it hard to believe that most countries find the Bush positions on FP to be credible.
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 02:48 AM by Dr Fate
Forget what various non DUer Republicans, conservatives and DLCers think about Bush Sr's positions on Iraq & FP issues- how does this work out in reality? How will the outside world feel about the sincerity of Bush Sr.- a constant defender of Bush Jr? How does the average Non DLCer/Non-Republican Amercian feel about the current Bush family FP positions on Iraq, etc?

Anyone who agrees with the current admin and is so closely associated with it (especially someone with the Bush name) has no business representing a DEM admin who is trying to patch things up and take things in a different direction, It makes no sense- even if it does play well with non DUer DLCers and Republicans.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:57 PM
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22. Hillary was my 2nd choice, now she's last - or worse.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:57 PM
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23. Say it aint so!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:57 PM
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24. Which is why heads will explode...
When this doesn't resonate the way they think it will...

This stuff is like a drug to some here...gets their juices goin...and they now have their faux outrage all set for tomorrow...

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:59 PM
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28. Faux outrage?
So you support Hillary using Bush as an ambassador?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:02 AM
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31. Sure...
Depends on the situation...and where he is sent...I wouldn't send him to the middle east obviously...but he still commands alot of respect in certain areas of the world...he is also highly regarded for his work after the tsunami etc...

So yeah...like I said...it depends on where and what he was sent to do...





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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:11 AM
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43. I wouldn't send him anywhere
We should be done with the Bush's once and for all. They're not on your side or America's side. From Bush 1 to Barbara to Bush 2, they're all unworthy of that kind of recognition anymore.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:14 AM
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47. You're saying you'd be okay with using George W. Bush as U.S. Ambassador? To where?
Being an Ambassador requires communication and negotiating skills that GWBush ain't never even been formally introduced to. What country on earth could he improve our relationship with? What country would he NOT become a joke in?

Explain. Please. Where could George W. Bush function effectively as an Ambassador?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:17 AM
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52. Bill CLinton did not say he would be an ambassador in the formal sense...
And who knows what situations will come up and where in the world...

Certainly 41 is highly thought of in southeast asia for example...if there were a crisis of some kind there I can envision where he might be helpful...

It's stupid not to use what resources are available...

Jimmy Carter called on Richard Nixon for advice all the time...but not on matters of constitutionality and criminal justice I would imagine...

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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:35 AM
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60. I misread your reply to Bleachers7 - - I thought B7 was asking if you'd be okay with SMIRK
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 12:36 AM by AlGore-08.com
being Ambassador. Not his Dad.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:52 AM
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76. Send him to Iraq
I'm sure they would love to have him :evilgrin:
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:58 PM
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26. I Thought It Was Bad Enough...
that Bill Clinton was even seen with Poppy Bush, now he wants to use him to represent the US in cleaning up Junior's mess. I'm with the poster who asked "What did they do to Bill Clinton when he was operated on?" At this rate, if they win, they will ask Mitt Romney to join them since he seems to be so chummy with 41. Talk about strange bedfellows...

Sorry all of you Hillary supporters but somehow, I have to believe we might be better if we just gave a Hillary Clinton Presidency a pass. I am not sure I like who she hangs around with.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:59 PM
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29. How about making Rummy veep?
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:02 AM
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32. Oh dailykoff,
don't make me laugh this late at night. I hope they don't think of that...
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:47 AM
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97. bwahaha
just when you think they can't stoop any lower, they do.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:03 AM
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33. delete
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 12:11 AM by TransitJohn
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:14 AM
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48. The political problem here is too much Bush Clinton
Bill just reminds us how tight the circle is; it's an image he shouldn't be pushing. Then again, he sees no problem with it, which is the real problem...
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:42 AM
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65. mmmhmmmmm...... n/t
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:15 AM
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50. Didn't HRC say she was gonna have Colin Powell do this?
I'm just asking...
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:19 AM
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54. "Open for business"
Those are the key words. How in the hell can we think of putting these people within a mile of the white house?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:21 AM
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56. i.e. FOR SALE!!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:23 AM
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57. You beat me to it... LOL.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:39 AM
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62. Everything must go!! We've got the Indiana Turnpike for $99.99! THESE PRICES ARE INSANE!!
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:38 AM
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61. This sucks. I think she's gonna lose. and i really don't want obama...
*sigh*. maybe i'll warm up to him. :(
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:40 AM
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63. Yeah we see how well he groomed the current President
I'm sure he will do "wonders" for Clinton.

A mediocre (at best) former President...spawning the historically worst President in US History is being called upon to assist the NEW President.

How many shots does this crybaby asshat get at destroying this country? Cause one of these times, he is going to get it right.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:41 AM
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:48 AM
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72. I'm with ya, but I think Romney is a distant cousin.. same cartel tho.. but
the MSM and whoever else is behind the curtain are determined not to GIVE us a choice outside the Cartel. I'm so confused, I don't even know who to trust anymore. Maybe Edwards is really IN the Cartel, and they're trying to make us think he isn't so we'll vote for him, but he's really who they want. Maybe Hill is throwing the contest ON PURPOSE. You see how crazy this shit makes peeeeeeple????

"Why dontcha let me say what I want to say.. Power to the Peeeeeople..."

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:04 AM
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:09 AM
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88. You two are voting for ROMNEY or HUCKABEE?
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 01:10 AM by A-Schwarzenegger
:eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:12 AM
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:23 AM
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92. LOL.. I think its a late-night visceral reaction to the thought of having to vote for HRC.. see..
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 01:23 AM by K Gardner
I can't even type her real name anymore ! I'd probably just not vote.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:43 AM
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66. Anybody still denying the Bush-Clinton complicity?
:puke:
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:46 AM
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70. It's common practice for former presidents to travel on behalf of the country
This isn't anything new.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:59 AM
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100. But it's not common at this point to associate the George Bush family with anything POSITIVE.
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 01:59 AM by Dr Fate
Especially after Senior has DEFENDED this admin at every turn- despite what he might have gotten half-way right (or not at all?)20 years ago.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:12 AM
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106. Thats not quite true
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/PersonOfWeek/story?id=1446477

People of the Year: Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush
Former Presidents Put Aside Political Differences for Tsunami, Hurricane Relief
Dec. 27, 2005

What an unlikely pair -- former Presidents Bill Clinton and George Herbert Walker Bush. The two men came together earlier this year to try to ease the suffering of so many in the wake of Asia's devastating tsunami.

"I think that if someone gives you the White House and gives you the most wonderful job in the world," Clinton said, "you ought to spend the rest of your life trying to give back to the American people whatever you can..."

"...At President George W. Bush's request, the two visited the region and raised money for rebuilding homes and lives ravaged by the tsunami, which left more than 200,000 people dead or missing..."

"... The former presidents have also raised more than $100 million for Hurricane Katrina relief in Louisiana and Mississippi. More than 500,000 families lost their homes in the hurricane..."

Much more at link.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:22 AM
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109. The Bush name is mud world wide. So now we send Junior's great defender out into the world?
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 02:25 AM by Dr Fate
Does your article say anything about Bush popularity in the rest the world, concerning his positions on Iraq & FP? Anything about how these Bush positions play with normal people besides the media?

Yes- ABC media tells us how great a Bush is (what is new?)-so lets send a defender of the current admin who is also named Bush out into the world to patch things up- ABC seems to think he is great, so surely everyone else does. Doesnt make sense, does it?

People dont mind if Bush Sr. tries to get to heaven every now & then by supporting charity- but someone who agrees with the current admin, as an ambassador for rebuilding ties in the world? Surely you could see why rational minds world-wide would be opposed to this.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:50 AM
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73. Why doesn't it surprise me...
that the first thing shes gonna do is kiss corporate ass and use a repug to help her do it? Sigh.

With that said though, I've always kind of looked at Bush 41 as a "last of the Mohican's" kind of conservative. He said "read my lips no new taxes" and when it was a choice between fiscal sanity and stupidity he made the right call. It cost him big. I'll give a little credit to him for that and as long as they can keep him from puking on everyone perhaps he wouldn't be the worst businessman to send around to schmooze the rest of the world's scrooges.

I'm no fan of Hillary, but this one just cant seem to register on my outrage meter. This dog turd of a story is white and powdery right out of the gate and I predict no matter how many times the Obama camp tries to poke it with a stick and fan the stink over in Hillary's direction, its just not going to work. The big dog is going to say silly things and bop alot of women. Who didn't know that?

I sure hope Hillary and Obama keep shanking each other though. Edwards seems to rise a pt every time the battle flares up again.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:52 AM
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75. 32 years of Bush I - Clinton I - Bush II - Clinton II (with help from Clinton I and Bush I)
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 12:53 AM by ClarkUSA
That's what America is looking at with a Clinton II coronation. God Save The Queen!!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:59 AM
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81. Isn't it more than that if you count the years Bush I was VP? Good lord, I would like to be able to
go to my freakin GRAVE without a Bush or Clinton in office. Can I just do that??? It's enough already.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:05 AM
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87. he IS counting those years
and it's a stupid argument. Nobody ever argued at the time that Bush was a powerful VP. He wasn't.
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:06 AM
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124. Actually, Bush was at the head of the Iran/contra arms and drugs BS.
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 04:32 AM by Bongo Prophet
And W hiring Poindexter, Cheney, Negroponte, Reich, Abrams, et al is proof that the BFEE infrastructure was put back in play.

You will spew just about anything and call out others as stupid.
I will not reciprocate, or stoop to your level, but history is pretty clear on this.
Poppy had an entire cabal working within the Reagan govt, and was considered, if not a "strong" VP OVERTLY, certainly in charge of his own govt COVERTLY, WITHIN the "legit" govt.


How old are you anyway Monkeyfunk?
Were you of legal age through all of that, and paying attention?

Or is this just because of primary season advocacy blindness?


Edit for spelling.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:21 AM
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145. I'm 46
and I was politically active and opposed Reagan/Bush throughout the 80s. Yes, Bush was involved in Iran Contra. Nobody ever said he wasn't. But he didn't run the Reagan presidency.

He wasn't considered an exceptionally powerful VP. Al Gore and Dick Cheney were much more influential.
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:49 AM
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147. Okay, just checking. Except for the whole running wars outa the basement thing...
I agree with you that he was not seen as a strong VP.

Covertly, yes. Overtly, no.

I am 50 and experienced much the same as you - I just wanted to make sure you had a long term perspective on this.
Good to know I don't have to catch you up on past episodes of this long running drama! ;)

Hey, we can agree on some things and not on others, it's cool.
I just want the Bush and neocon agendas to be dashed on the rocks of history.
Too much to ask? Probably.

Compared to the shit flung at me on another thread for the simple desire to see this, and the ill-advised "strategy" of including Poppy in ANY dem "healing process" -- you are being quite the gentleman.
This is NOT about any particular candidate with me.
I don't know if that helps at all, but there it is.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:28 AM
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93. Yup... and I know exactly how you feel.
I can barely remember a time when someone other than a Bush or Clinton was in office. It's sick how stacked the system is to favor establishment
party machine candidates, who operate like Rovian character assassins as if it were perfectly normal (this applies to both the Bushes and Clintons,
as we've seen). "ENOUGH ALREADY!" is right. :mad:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:37 AM
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114. 1980 is when the old man and the boys in the basement
started taking control of the government....that`s a long fucking time for one family to run this country...
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:13 AM
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120. YES.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:31 AM
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94. as a baby of the late 80s, a bush or clinton has been in office all of my life
x( ugh. It really is time for someone new. Anyone new at this point, it would really suck for me to have only two families running the country my entire life. Basically, all of the Dem. candidates look better to me than Hillary. And I say that as someone who use to admire Hillary's tenacity and strength. Now I'm just sick of her. People can't see a problem with this? I really don't think this was a good thing to say at all; it just ads to people's fears that this is becoming dynasty like. I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton worked to put another Bush in after they are elected. This poor country.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:39 AM
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115. kinda puts it perspective does`t it
i`m an old guy and i am sick of people my age and older running the country. time for some new blood.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:17 AM
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160. Born in 1969, A Repuke has been president for over 2/3 of MY life.
Nixon, Ford, Reagan twice. 41 and his dumb son (twice). 27 years of shite on a shingle.

Yeah, some real first-round draft picks in the asshole lottery there, let me tell you.

I'm not too jazzed about the current and potential dynastic trade-off either.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:33 AM
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163. 1/4 of the US have lived only under presidents Bush or Clinton.
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 11:33 AM by Kablooie
If Hillary wins and stays for 8 years it will be 1/3 of the US.


And then it's time for brother Jeb!
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:32 AM
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95. sounds to me like they are trying their best to provoke g.w. with a comment like this
its hardly news that george sr. has pretty much washed his hands of his misbegotten son.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:34 AM
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96. Makes sense.
It doesn't sound like King George I thinks much of how his son is handling things.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:48 AM
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98. Clinton is the ultimate egotist
The problem is he's making this election a referendum on him.

If Obama is elected and asks him to go around the world as kind of a good will ambassador for Amurka he'd do it in a heartbeat as long as he could keep his face on the TV screen.

I don't think he really gives a flyin fuck if Hillary is elected as long as he has the opportunity to pontificate on crap like this.

It's really kind of pathetic, the guy is so irrelevant. He was an OK president but he's turned into an attention whore. And he forgets there are a lot of people in this country who just plain hate his fucking guts.

He's achieved what he has wanted his whole life - he now gets to hobnob with the elite like poopy bush. If he doesn't STFU he'll kill Hillary's chances completely.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:23 AM
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110. No, I don't think thats right..
It isn't a secret 41 and Cheney do not get along. Cheney has established himself as a defacto president having 43 as his front man. 41 has been against Cheney for years now, even to the point of having The Hamilton Iraq Study Group intercede in formulating a plan for Iraq including eventual withdrawal but since 43 is convinced the course set by Cheney is working for them, 43 has chosen the path of least resistance and prefers acting as helpless as a kitten letting Cheney continue to run the show.

imo- 41 would like nothing better than kicking Cheney's ass out of the WH personaly. A 41 alliance at this juncture could be just the ticket guaranteeing a Dem president.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:39 AM
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130. You don't know your history
Poppy had Oil Slick Dick as HIS Sec. of Defense. Poppy rewarded the Dick with that job after Dick proceeded to block any further investigations into Iran Contra when Dick was a Rep.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:05 AM
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137. And...what don't I know?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:55 AM
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99. The Clintons keep forgetting about the internet
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 01:57 AM by Dr Fate
Back in their day (que up Blind Melon "Dancing Bee theme") this might have gotten repeated on TV once, or not at all- and the ever loyal base would never be the wiser.

Oh how times have changed- and I think the Clintons still dont get that- either that or they honestly think they can continue to razz said "ever loyal" base. Either way it's not working for me- and if they lose the nomination or the general I think it will be a factor.

In any event-I really dont see how bringing the George Bush Family into this is supposed to impress anyone at this point-much less the informed DEM base.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:28 AM
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111. why would she do that and why in the fuck would he say that?
old man has nothing to offer anyone unless they want a blueprint to take over the country so no one notices. america is open for business and cooperation? god the stupidity never stops in this primary
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:33 AM
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113. Bill could have easily averted this by saying Jimmy Carter instead of George H W Bush
Poppy serves his purpose in bipartisan fundraising for Katrina and Tsunami relief. Not as ambassador to the world.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:40 AM
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116. Read #110
Thats why!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:40 AM
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117. you are a dreamer are`t you!
carter walks the walk and i really do`t think bill is up to the task
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:45 AM
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119. Worldwide, Carter's views are more respected than the Bush FP view.
And here in the states, even the center and many conservatives no longer agrees with or supports the Bush's on most major FP issues.

The talking point makes no sense to me.

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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:16 AM
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121. The same G Bush that used racebaiting (Willie Horton)
to win a campaign? :yoiks:
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:13 AM
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125. You know, I got this feeling somewhere around mid-summer 1992
That Poppy Bush had given up fighting, and just kinda half-assed limped his way through the rest of the campaign, not caring whether he won or not.

At the time, I figured maybe 3 terms was enough for him (anyone who really thinks Reagan was in charge, I got a beach front condo in Tucson for you)

Guess now we know the real story..... The Bush Crime Family was backing the Clintons this whole time. :grr:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:24 AM
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128. Did Lieberman say no?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:34 AM
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129. Well, he still owes the Clintons for all the campaigning they did for him against Lamont.
And the fact that the Clintons never set foot in CT once for the Democrat shouldnt be lost him on either. To my knowledge, he never repaid the favor.

The Clintons may just have another "goodwill ambassador" with a stellar conservative FP record waiting in the wings,no? He owes them one. ;)
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 05:41 AM
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134. NO more Clintons. NO more Bushes...No more taking it in our tushes!
:wtf:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:19 AM
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138. The bush** family of traitors, liars,and theives. And here is old Billy Jeff
threatening us with bringing the patriarch of the crime family back into our lives and our government.

And I'm sitting here laughing my ass off on how Hils fans can defend this.

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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:43 AM
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139. "And we can do this without passing a bill....."
As if such a bill would stand a fucking chance. This is not the fucking Bush/Clinton Dynasty!

Fuck them, their arrogance and superior bad taste. We need to take our country back.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:53 AM
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148. It might be prudent to see how normal people react--i.e., almost always differently from DUers
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 07:53 AM by Perry Logan
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:49 AM
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158. "Normal people" may think that...
... suggesting that a father would become a spokesperson for criticizing and humiliating his son is... I don't know, ridiculous? Absurd? Stupid? And that's on a strictly human level, without all the political implications.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:25 AM
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162. Are you normal
or a sycophant?
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:33 AM
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155. Poppy & Bubba : A Couple of Old, Meglamaniacs...
proppin' up Robot-Woman! :puke:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:19 AM
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161. You can't write this stuff for a screenplay without getting fired
Bill. Want another shovel?

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