Hillary is just like Bush. She pleads ignorance about neg. stories then holds no-one accountable.

[jenmito]

Do we really want another person like Bush in the White House? If she doesn't fire Shaheen after claiming to condemn what he did and that she had no knowledge of it, how is she any better than Bush?

[wyldwolf]

1. who did Obama hold accountable when...

Sen. Obama Blamed His Research Team For Releasing The Memo Calling Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) A Senator From Punjab. "'It was a screw-up on the part of our research team,' Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, said during a meeting today with Des Moines Register editors and reporters. 'It wasn't anything I had seen or my senior staff had seen.'" (Thomas Beaumont, "Obama: Campaign's 'Punjab' Remark Was 'Stupid'," The Des Moines Register, 6/18/07)

[Cameron27]

3. Mr. I'm accountable...

[jenmito]

4. Start a thread about it. I'm asking about Hillary and Shaheen. n/t

[wyldwolf]

7. no thanks. I'll just stay in this thread and show your hypocrisy

[proudmoddemo]

8. Himself, in June

More than you can say for Hillary, he admits he's ultimately responsible for what goes on in his campaign:

http://in.news.yahoo.com/070619/211/6h54w.html

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/06/obama_blasts_his_staff_over_punjab_hillary_controversy.php

More than you can say for Hillary...

[wyldwolf]

11. he blamed his staff, not once, but several times for screw-ups.

[Joe the Revelator]

17. At the very least he took steps to fix the problem. When is Shaheen getting fired?

Hmm?

[wyldwolf]

20. Really? What did he do?

[Joe the Revelator]

24. More then Hillary. I have yet to see her hold her staffs feet to the fire for their recently loose

and spiteful lips.

Also, Obama's staff has not gone in front of the media to spread lies about another candidate. Hillary's did, and its disgusting that you won't hold her to the same standard.

[wyldwolf]

41. did he fire the staffers?

[jenmito]

He took responsibility for it himself. If you read the article, it was in an update.

[wyldwolf]

42. did he fire the staffers like Obama supporters are demanding of Hillary?

[jenmito]

49. If Hillary took personal responsibility she wouldn't have to. But she didn't.

[wyldwolf]

54. so, who said you get to make that determination?

[proudmoddemo]

27. He Said He Was Ultimately Responsible for It

He took the time to say he was ultimately responsible for it.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20070619/ai_n19305385

"Although I was not aware of the contents of the memo prior to its distribution, I consider the entire campaign -- and in particular myself -- responsible for the mistake."

Clinton took the time to plot the next vile smear that her campaign can launch in her name.

[proudmoddemo]

23. It was the staffer's fault, but he took responsibility for it:

Because what your employees do is ultimately the boss' responsibility in cases like this. He said that at the time, back in June. He said, "Although I was not aware of the contents of the memo prior to its distribution, I consider the entire campaign -- and in particular myself -- responsible for the mistake," in June.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20070619/ai_n19305385

What else do you want him to say? It looks like Obama is better at taking responsibility for his actions and admitting mistakes than Clinton is.

[Joe the Revelator]

26. Great post. When is Hillary going to do this for the multple offences she pins on her staff?

nt

[proudmoddemo]

29. On Election Day

Which is the way it should be. :).

[wyldwolf]

43. did he fire the staffer?

[proudmoddemo]

47. I think so but would need to look that up

[wyldwolf]

48. ok. Let us know.

[jenmito]

51. If she, like he, had taken personal responsibility, she wouldn't have to. But she didn't.

[wyldwolf]

55. so, who said you get to make that determination?

[jenmito]

57. It's called taking responsibility. Obama did. Hillary didn't.

[wyldwolf]

60. who said you get to make that determination?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

2. Yes, she is exactly the same as George Bush. Happy now?

[jenmito]

6. No. I'd like you to explain the difference if you're supporting her.

[wyldwolf]

10. why should he prove what you're charging in the OP? That would be your job

[jenmito]

22. I DID in my OP.

[wyldwolf]

44. no you didn't - unless you admit Obama is just like Bush, too

[jenmito]

52. OBAMA TOOK PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, UNLIKE HILLARY AND BUSH.

[wyldwolf]

56. so that's your line now? ok, dude.

:rofl:

[jenmito]

58. Maybe you should read my OP again...

I said she, like Bush, holds no-one accountable. Obama held HIMSELF accountable.

[wyldwolf]

59. of course she hold people accountable

She fired whoever passed along one e-mail and Shaheen has apologized. :shrug:

[Botany]

5. Please!

Give it a break .... and BTW I support and have given $ to Edwards but
Hillary = bush is way over the top.

[jenmito]

9. This is not the first time this has happened. In this regard (claiming ignorance yet holding

no-one accountable, they're the same.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. LOL! Didn't Obama just claim an anonymous staffer filled out that questionnaire?

And wasn't the D-Punjab thing "done without his knowledge" by some anonymous staffer?

[jenmito]

28. Again-he took personal responsibility for the Indian comment.

Did you read the post above with the link?

[Joe the Revelator]

14. Its not over the top in the slightest!

she plays the same games he does, and that we drag him over the coals for.

[jenmito]

32. Thank you. Yes, and then she accuses people of taking things right out of the RW playbook.

SHE'S the one doing that.

[Cameron27]

34. Oh no, this isn't over the top,

it's DU's finest hour. Let's compare them all with Bush, or maybe one with Cheney, and someone else with Rudy. It's not that hard to do. This is a brilliant.

[itsrobert]

12. One is female, one is male.

There is at least one difference there.

[sharp_stick]

15. Anybody that uses a sentence Hillary is just like Bush

should be run out of town on a fucking rail. There isn't a single Democrat that can even be closely compared to Bush in any respect.

[Cameron27]

18. I agree.

[jenmito]

33. That's BULL. I'm talking about in this respect-and she IS.

[ruggerson]

16. By that logic, Obama is just like Bush as they both used homophobia

as a wedge issue to gain votes from bigoted constituencies.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

21. That's different! Obama exploits bigotry only to heal our souls.

[ruggerson]

25. That's correct. The politics of hope-aphobia.

n/t

[jenmito]

35. Totally off. Obama speaks out against homophobia and for gay rights.

Nice try.

[IndianaGreen]

19. What did you expect from the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton dynasty?

Big Dawg and Poppy Bush are best pals, like old mafia dons enjoying their retirement in Palermo.

[David Dunham]

30. Obama never is man enough to accept the blame for anything that goes wrong.

[jenmito]

37. Read post #27 and weep.

[Silence Dogood]

39. Yes, and this is becoming troublesome to me-

I support Obama with part of my rent money. I hope this sacrifice hasn't been for naught. I've gone vegetarian because it's cheaper at the market than meat products.
It's been about 8 mos since I've had a Big Mac, the price has gone up to almost $5 for a hamburger.

This latest rift is scaring the ba-jesus out of me. I hope, I'm wrong about this. Am I wrong banking on Obama as the next president. I don't know what to do now.

[IndianaGreen]

40. Not only has Hillary refused to admit error in voting for IWR, she even voted again for Bush

having the authority to strike Iran.

You are projecting your "girl's" character flaws on Obama.

[L0oniX]

31. President Bush praise of Hillary Clinton sparks puzzled buzz

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2007/11/21/2007-11-21_president_bush_praise_of_hillary_clinton.html

WASHINGTON - Hillary Clinton got an unwelcome pat on the back Tuesday from President Bush as she targeted the GOP field in her first negative TV ad.

[jgraz]

36. C'mon, Hillary's definitely better than Bush

Just not in this particular instance. :evilgrin:

[jenmito]

38. And I'm talking about

this particular instance. :)

[jgraz]

45. And all those other "particular instances"

But I'm sure there are many ways in which she's better than Bush. Gimme a minute and I'll think of one...


Ok, this may take longer than a minute. ;)

[jenmito]

46. Exactly.

Take your time. :D

[Lord Helmet]

50. good analogy

and no I don't want more of the same, thanks

[jenmito]

53. Thanks, Lord Helmet.

Neither do I. :hi:

[Perry Logan]

61. It's the "just-like-Bush meme," easily DU's dumbest canard.

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%

[cali]

62. moronic

if you can't see how Clinton and ALL the dem candidates are different from bushco, it's a shame you're involved in dem politics.