A Challenge To Hillary Bashers- Tell Me Exactly Why You Hate Hillary ?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

He, of course, is no different than the swarm of other Hillary-bashers. The visceral dislike, even loathing of her, is so deep and broad that it welds together a strange mesh of the usual suspect Hillary haters from the Christian fundamentalists, ultra-right Republicans and conservative talking heads, through a bevy of her former Hollywood pals and Bill Clinton campaign bankrollers, all the way to self-styled progressives and ultra radicals. They have absolutely nothing in common other than the ecstasy they get from pounding Hillary for her alleged political and personal sins.

But what are they? And what did she do that has earned her the label of everything from the devil incarnate (the late Jerry Falwell) on the right to branding her a shill for fat cat lobbyists and corporations on the left. That's just cheap shot name calling, trashing, and vilification from the rank and file. But the press has also gleefully jumped in on the Clinton beat down. It spins, twists, massages in reverse, and blows to smithereens any and every piece of nasty Clinton gossip or dig.

In fact, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and the Congressional Black Caucus was sharply divided over support of the original Iraq war resolution in 2002 that gave Bush authority to wage war. Edwards later apologized for backing the resolution. Obama joined with 13 other Democratic Senators to oppose the crucial big money Iraq war appropriations bill in May. One of the other thirteen senators was Clinton. She is no different than other Democrats that have cut and run from Bush's war. They all recanted when public opinion turned sour on the war and Bush and it suddenly became politically fashionable and popular to do so.

The Iraq war support certainly doesn't explain the vehemence of the Hillary targeting. Her centrist, cautious, and sometimes fuzzy stance on health care, education, taxes, and immigration are legitimate issues to dissect, debate, and criticize. But these are issues that all of the contenders can and should be held to the fire on. They are fair game for that. But intense political debate and disagreement on the crucial public policy issues in and of themselves is simply not enough to stoke visceral dislike of a candidate, let alone explain the intense hate for Hillary.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/a-challenge-to-hillary-ba_b_75967.html

[Colobo]

1. I don't hate Hillary. I just think this is Obama's time.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Don't hate her, won't vote for her in the primaries. nt.

[alteredstate]

3. I don't hate Hillary.

But I must admit my perception of Senator Clinton has been clouded by my disgust with the behavior of her supporters.

[babylonsister]

4. Short answer: I don't hate her, I just like others a lot more.

I'm tired of the Clintons and she's not Bill. If he could run again, I might be rethinking this, but I don't think by voting for Hillary I'd get Bill, and that whole suggestion turns me off.

[BobRossi]

5. I don't hate her..

I just don't think she would make a good POTUS. She is backed by corporate money, voted for the Iraq war, and continues to fund the chimp's failures.

[Bitwit1234]

6. They have been conditioned for 20 years to hate her so they do.

instead of cutting thru the bashing and slurring they should have looked at the person.

I don't think it is Obama's time, I don't think he is qualified. Missing 140 votes hooked me right there. And such very very important ones, like more funds for the health of veterans. (Which didn't have enough votes to pass) Redeploying troops for a longer home stay between actions. (Not enough votes to pass) These are the kinds of things I found offensive. The rest of the candidates found time to vote. Why not him. And then he knocks the other candidates because they had the guts to vote, maybe there vote wasn't a popular one,but they didn't sit on the sidelines and wait for the "right" decision to come along.

[TheFarseer]

7. Hate is a strong word but here's why I don't like her

job outsourcing - she takes vast sums of money from job outsourcers and refuses to say there is a downside of globalization or NAFTA or any of it. She takes vast sums of money from Communist China and in shady looking deals Imight add. She's in bed with Wlmart. I could go on and on.

I thought she was no different than anyone else on Iraq, but the Iran vote is very troubling, as if she hasn't learned anything.

I think she is a panderer and will say or do anything to be elected president. What the hell was with the drivers licence thing??? What was with taking up our valuable time to talk about violent video games and flag burning? Her opinion on any given issue depends on who she is talking to. I really respect Obama for telling American auto makers we need higher CAFE standards. Can you honestly see Hillary doing this??? I wish I could write more, but I have to get to work.

[gorekerrydreamticket]

38. yes, the word "hate" is getting thrown around too much...

my two cents

[katmondoo]

8. I would like to know too

I can understand the Repukes not liking her but so many Dems just blows my mind. Many people and the press hated Eleanor Roosevelt also, much of the sames hate mongering is the same including calling her a lesbian. Those of you who post hate messages should look up what the press did to Eleanor and you will see a replay of what is said about Hillary.

[bunkerbuster1]

9. I actually like her as a political personality. She's ok.

She's just about sixth on my list of people currently running for President, is all.

But you'll rarely hear me say anything harsh about her in here.

[Apollo11]

10. Hillary is too close to pro-War and pro-corporate interests

I am thinking of her close friendship with FOX News founder Rupert Murdoch. See: www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/10/news/clinton.php

Also the fact that Hillary's "Chief Strategist" Mark Penn is a lifelong cheerleader for military action in the Middle East to promote Israel's expansion and political dominance.

Read all about it in The Washington Post of April 30, 2007: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/29/AR2007042901661.html

Then there are a whole bunch of little things like how she and Bill tried to take attention and money away from Al Gore back in 2000 while she was running for the Senate.

Read all about it in the November 2007 issue of Vanity Fair: www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/clinton200711

But I'm not saying I hate Hillary. Sometimes she is able to come across as a warm person.

With me it's not personal animosity. It's all about political divergence.

[cali]

12. What close friendship with Rupert Murdoch?

It's that kind of nonsense that I ponder over. At the request of some of his employees he threw a fund raising bash for her for her Senate campaign in 2006. He's donated money to her, as he has to both dems and repukes in NY. This is SOP. I may not like it, but then I don't like Edwards' ties to Fortress, a sleazy hedge fund. You claim that he's a close personal friend. Show some evidence of that.

[Apollo11]

17. "At the request of some of his employees" he organizes a political fundraiser!?

I wonder what would happen if this year some of his employees asked him to throw a fund raising bash for Dennis Kucinich? :eyes:

Here is a photo of two people who hate each other:

[cali]

23. sorry, that' s not evidence

that's a boiler plate politial picture. Funny you brought Dennis up, when he suggested paul might be a suitable running mate for him: That's Ron Paul, racist xenophobic fundy wingnut.

[Apollo11]

35. I don't support Dennis K. I don't support Ron Paul.

I accept that in an imperfect world, none of the candidates is perfect. I have learned to deal with this fact.

Right now my Top 3 are Biden, Obama, Edwards. My dream ticket for 2008 would be BIDEN-OBAMA.

But Biden needs some kind of a Christmas Miracle in Iowa and/or New Hampshire.

In the end it will probably come down to either Hillary or Obama on our side.

In which case my strong preference would be for Barack Obama.

[greenvpi]

18. I think the word you're looking for is...

Republican-lite

[BootinUp]

24. Your reasons are pretty lame

There is no evidence that Hillary has a close friendship with Murdoch, neither is there evidence there is some kind of quid pro quo. Its just a fantasy.

Similarly your Mark Penn concern is a red herring. He has been hired for his abilities to work in a campaign not for his foreign policy advice.

The little things from Vanity fair are probably about as real as any issue of the National Inquirer. Political gossip run amok.

Instead of learning about her real record you have latched onto illusions and character smears.

[sendero]

11. I don't hate her..

.. but she stands for nothing and I'm tired of politicians who stand for nothing but their own "careers".

[graywarrior]

13. I'm just tired of dynasties.

I'd like some knew energy emanating from the WH.

[cali]

14. I can guarantee you this:

No one will admit to hating her- even those who have posted truly hateful bullshit.

I've never been able to warm up to her. Something about her is off putting to me, and I do find her cautious, centrist language troubling, but I don't hate her, and I'd never enter into some of the personal bashing that goes on day after day on DU.

[Skidmore]

15. Why does not agreeing with Hillary on issues automatically get conflated

as "Hillary Hatred" in your mind? Why is it that if you are do not like her corporate ties, that you are uncomfortable with her association with the Bush family and Murdoch, or her rhetoric on the war means that you "hate" the woman? Why is it that when you think the nation is overdue for some leadership beyond that afforded by two families, that you are told that pratically constitutes a hate crime?

I don't get it. You don't have to hate someone to think that they are wrong. This is a dangerous type of spin that the Hillary supporters are engaging in right now. You certainly don't encourage people who have these concerns to even want to listen. It is extremely offensive.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Not My Mind-Mr. Earl Ofari-Hutchinson's Mind

I am tired and weary from the whole ordeal...

[Skidmore]

33. Sorry. I guess the whole sordid vitriol has me at a point where my

eyes just glaze over everytime I see those words. Personally, I think it is a Republican whisper campaign being exploited by the Hillary spin team.

[BootinUp]

20. I think the message from the article

is that Hillary is not worse than the other candidates in those regards and it is the efforts of people who possibly hate her that have twisted the truth on that.

[elocs]

19. I do not hate Senator Clinton and I will vote for her if she is the nominee.

I will not vote for her in the primary, though. I must say that her supporters are some of the most defensive and thin-skinned people I have ever seen. Presidential politics is the big leagues where they play hardball and is no place for the faint of heart and those who cry that everybody is picking on their candidate.

[CelticWinter]

21. I want someone different---

I dont hate Hillary, but there is something about her I am not comfortable with even when she was first lady I never had a good feeling. I have made the comment before and I will make it again after 12 yrs of bushes, 8 yrs of Bill I dont want to add another 4-8 yrs of the same family in office, thats over half my lifetime of two families running this country, its time for a change.
Im not sure who I will vote for, I have been watching each canidate to see who will be the most productive worker for my money and my best interest. America is broken and I want someone with the guts to stand up against those who broke it so that she can be fixed. I want someone with guts to bring a national health care to the US and not worry about what their buddies in the insurance world. I want someone with guts who will bring our kids home from Iraq and if they require health care have it provided for them not cut it. I want someone who will back alternative energy and not worry about the oil companies. I want someone with guts who will bring jobs back to the US and not these "service jobs". I want someone with guts who will take pride in our country and not turn their back on the American people like this administration did. Im not asking for much just someone with guts, pride and a desire to work for the American people.
CelticWinter

[mmonk]

22. Republican and independent visceral dislike of her

is because they have been taught to dislike her. Many Americans follow orders when associated with a group, especially a political or religious group.

[Dawgs]

25. I don't hate Hillary. I hate her supporters.

Just kidding.

I do have three reasons I do not want her as the nominee.

1) She represents the same old division in politics that we've seen for the past twelve years or so.

2) I'm concerned about her electability. There is no doubt that she is hated more than any other candidate. If nominated, she will unite the Republicans against her. They won't care who their nominee is, they will be voting against her.

3) Her past votes as a Senator - especially those involving war.

[BootinUp]

27. glad to hear

it was a joke.

comments...

1) that same old division, like left vs. right?

2) electability is something everyone weighs in their own mind, so I understand that even though my opinion is that she is probably the strongest on our side. There have been good indications in some polling data that she has some admirers across the spectrum for her hard work ethic and political smarts and long record.

3) The Democratic party should really be smarter about the war issue and stop attacking its own. There is only one party that kicked out the inspectors and launched the invasion. The idea was to force inspections by showing a united US will to force them. A divided US government would have not have achieved the same inspection results. Nor would it have stopped Bush from his march to war in hindsight.

[Dawgs]

31. 3) I'm sorry, but judgement is important to me.

And supporting something that caused the death of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis is not a political thing, like you're trying to pretend, it's a reality that I can't ignore.

[BootinUp]

34. I am confident the facts

are on my side, not pretending anything.

[KittyWampus]

26. Her Husband allowed the NeoCons to get away with no repercussions & allowed them to regroup

Her husband allowed the Democratic party to deteriorate even as his/her own political fortunes were taken care of.

She wants to take Bill Clinton's experience as her own, then she can own his willingness to enable the traitors ripping our country apart now.

And she can own the near collapse of the Democratic party.

And then there's the way she needs to be the uber-Butch when it comes to Foreign Policy.

[JohnnyLib2]

28. Hey, we're in a new phase! Hillary-hatred-denial.

Wonder what will come next?

[rAVES]

29. US needs a silver bullet President this time round.. and that she ain't.

[Vinca]

30. Not liking her doesn't equal bashing.

Primarily I don't care to support her because she's too far to the right for me. She talks tough, but I have no confidence at all it wouldn't be business as usual if she's elected. It's time for a real change not just the other side of the same coin.

[rocktivity]

32. You can disagree with a candidate without "hating" or "bashing" him?

"Hillary is a castrating bitch" is bashing. "I don't agree with Hillary's NAFTA vote" is expressing a legitimate opinion--see the difference?

:eyes:
rocknation

[blm]

36. TeamClinton needed 2000 and 2004 undermined to protect Hillary2008. EVERY

American citizen should be disgusted by their tactics - especially the consistent protection of BushInc while allowing the election process to go unprotected and unsecured at every level where the votes are allowed, cast and counted.

[area51]

37. I know this has been mentioned before...

... by people who don't support a rightwinger like Hillary. She's pro-war, pro-offshoring/anti-American workers, and anti-single-payer healthcare. Basically, if elected she'll be GW Hoover lite.