The Clintons—and Gore—are the world’s biggest liars

[Karmadillo]

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh113007.shtml

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CLINTON: Wolf, I—Wolf, I cannot let that go unanswered. You know, the most important thing here is to level with the American people. Senator Obama's health care plan does not cover everyone. He starts with children, which is admirable—I helped to create the Children's Health Insurance Program back in 1997. I'm totally committed—

OBAMA: That's not true, Wolf.

CLINTON: —to making sure every single child is covered. He does not mandate the kind of coverage that I do.

Obama’s statements here were striking. In a year when Dems have stood against torture, Obama has to torture the facts pretty hard to claim, “I do provide universal health care.” Having criticized Clinton—as he endlessly does—for failing to give the public “straight answers,” he made a fairly odd factual claim. His statement didn’t seem to be true.

Result? Wolf Blitzer stared into space, pretending that nothing had happened. “Senator Obama, we're going to have a lot more on health care,” he said. But the harried host never returned to Obama’s claim—never asked Obama to defend, explain, or flesh out his statement. Meanwhile, did you see any subsequent “fact-checking” of Obama’s claim? No. Of course not. You did not. In the vast sweep of the mainstream press, such fact-checking didn’t occur.

Why didn’t your mainstream press corps react to Obama’s factual statement? Surely, everyone except Kevin Drum understands the answer to that. The reason for the silence is plain; the press corps continues to work from a favorite old script, one they have no plan to abandon. In this time-honored narrative, the Clintons—and Gore—are the world’s biggest liars. And under the long-standing rules of this game, everyone else can say any damn thing they want—as long as it makes the Dem front-runner a liar. George Bush played under these very same rules at that first, crucial Bush-Gore debate.

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[cuke]

1. Repukes say it, and the Hillary Haterbots agree

and spew it on DU

[jaksavage]

6. Does Hillary have Loverbots too? NT

[cuke]

16. No, she has a beautiful Muslim lesbian aide for that

[burythehatchet]

10. ah, my most favorite Hillaroid.

on edit: I don't know who replied to this post, but I want every one of you to know how much I love you all. :hugs:

[Clintonista2]

11. Aww, I thought I was your favorite "Hillaroid"

Do I at least make the top 10? :shrug:

[cuke]

12. That's because it matches the himmaroid

that sits on top of ignored's neck

[Clintonista2]

13. LOL! n/t.

[burythehatchet]

15. is that male version of a herorroid?

[geek tragedy]

14. We have a similar ignore list.

Don't know which names, of course.

[earthlover]

39. So now they are hillary haterbots? More pages out of the Bush playbook!

It is very depressing for me, after enduring 7 years of Bush, after watching as the Bush Cabal took any criticism of Iraq (or anything else Bushian) as "Bush hatred". Now I have to watch as people who don't follow Hillary are called not only "hillary haters" but now...haterbots?

I think it is way past time we charted a new course instead of following Bush's sordid examples.

Besides, haterbots sounds too much like tatertots!

[ilovesunshine]

2. Obama walks on water, news at 11:00

[kimmerspixelated]

3. No, Not Dear Albert-no please!

[blm]

4. I love Somerby - but he must not have read the Vanity Fair article where Gore's

people talk about the undermining of his campaign by the Clintons.

Gore isn't a liar. And there is a building awareness that his campaign as well as Kerry's 2004 campaign were done dirt by other Dems.

Vanity Fair article on Gore v Clinton in 2000:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/clinton200711

From historian Douglas Brinkley, April2004:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Bill's timely defense of Bush's decisions on Iraq, June2004:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Woodward's observations at WH on election night:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[jaksavage]

7. You are on it, BLM.

Way to go.

[Karmadillo]

8. Sally Bedell Smith in Vanity Fair? Yikes! Somerby called her "loathsome" and a "pornographer" so

I guess he's pretty familiar with her "work". After Media Matters, I link to Somerby's reference to her description of Bill's penis. I'm guessing she's not the most reliable person in the world to tell us about the Clintons and the Gores.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200711030001

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In addition to this rather obscure, if potentially revealing, mistake, Smith includes in her book at least two passages that ought raise immediate questions about whether it should be taken seriously.

On Page 288, as Bob Somerby first noted, Smith gratuitously includes Paula Jones' graphic description of the size and shape of the President's penis when erect. Jones description was contradicted by medical testimony; its inclusion in For Love of Politics serves only to satisfy the voyeuristic urges that cause journalists to continue obsessing over the decade-old Lewinsky saga in the first place.

On Page 101, Smith writes, "Bill was caught by White House reporters holding up traffic at Los Angeles International Airport for forty-five minutes while he got a two-hundred-dollar haircut on Air Force One from ... Hollywood stylist, Christophe Schatteman." In fact, Clinton's haircut did not delay air traffic. As I wrote when Ed Klein included this long-debunked anecdote in The Truth About Hillary, his 2005 attempt to swift-boat Clinton, "The incident, and the debunking of claims that he caused air traffic delays, are sufficiently well-known that it is nearly inconceivable that this is an honest mistake."

(Answering questions about her book during a Washington Post online discussion today, Smith denounced Burleigh for baselessly speculating that the Clintons might be together for reasons other than politics. Then she declared: "As Senator Pat Moynihan used to say, 'you are entitled to your own opinions but you are not entitled to your own facts.' My book is a textured portrait of the Clintons strengthened by the cumulative power of facts.")

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Let’s start with an obvious fact. You can’t get stupider than Matthews is—and you can’t be a more perfect, purring pornographer than the loathsome Bedell Smith, whose ugly new book is a rank cess pool of misstatement and recitation about the size of Bill Clinton’s vile penis. “Nearly five and a half inches” when erect, the purring, pearl-wearing pornographer types.

[blm]

9. Doesn't mean she quoted the Gore people inaccurately. They would have said so

if she had.

In fact, I am sure her lawyers ran the quotes by them before the book was published, as that is the standard procedure.

And it doesn't make Douglas Brinkley wrong for his observations in April2004. Or Woodward's observations on election night.

At some point two plus two has to add up to four.

[Karmadillo]

17. Maybe, maybe not. I do know Gore's friends say he admires Hillary.

I assume it's true or Gore would have denied it.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N12205322.htm

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In the months leading up to the 2000 election, Gore distanced himself from President Clinton. Friends say he has good relations with Sen. Clinton and admires her.

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[blm]

20. I'd bet that if Gore didn't WANT his people talking about 2000 then he

would have asked them to refrain from being quoted or correct themselves if they were misquoted.

And a piece generated by TeamClinton after Gore's Nobel win isn't exactly one I'd hang my hat on.

I am sure that people who are friendly with both wouldn't be privvy to inner circle discussions from either.

[Karmadillo]

38. If Hillary undermined his campaign, I doubt friends would say he admired her.

nt

[cuke]

18. Wow, you're not only quoting rightwingers, you're defending their lies

And after all that blather from you about how we should "reify" rightwingers

[blm]

19. Name one RWer I quote. BTW - You want to see REAL reifying RW lies in action?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg


Btw - the quotes from Brinkley and Clinton and Gore's people and Carville are now RW lies?

[cuke]

21. Sallt Bedell Smith is a rightwinger and you're defending her

and after all your sanctimonious posts about not repeating rightwing memes. What a phony

[blm]

22. Those aren't her quotes - Gore's people said what they said. Brinkley isn't a RWer

either. He's a lifetime Democrat and a historian.

Clinton is Clinton. Carville is Carville. Hillary is Hillary. Some Dems DO believe that they are too far right for the party.

[cuke]

23. You posted from Sally Bedell Smith, a rightwinger, and then you defended her

The rightwinger says something about dems, and you believe it and defend it

[blm]

24. Quoting Gore's people. And Gore's people sound alot like Brinkley's observations

from 2004.

Gore is close with the Vanity Fair folks - if his people were quoted incorrectly in that article he would have told them to refrain from printing it.

I have to laugh that you attack anti-corruption, open government Democrats who only wanted the books opened on BushInc as RWers, and you are devoted to those Democrats who have protected BushInc the most over the years.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html


YOU side with the continuing protection of BushInc. I side with opening the books on BushInc and damn any Dem who protects them.

[cuke]

25. You repeat what a rightwinger says and you defend it

even though you have said that people shouldn't repeat what rightwingers say

[blm]

26. You shouldn't be calling Gore's people rightwingers. Vanity Fair is not a RW rag, either.

.

[cuke]

28. Sally Bedell Smith is a rightwinger and you're defending her

your distractions won't work. You are defending a rightwinger. Have you no shame?

[blm]

29. Gore is a Dem and his people are Dems. Gore wanted that article printed in Vanity Fair

or Vanity Fair would not have printed it.

And your dodges on all the rest of the links have been duly noted.

[cuke]

30. Right, because the media always does what Gore tells them to do

The 2000 election proved that. The media wouldn't dare say something that wasn't true about Gore

[blm]

31. Vanity Fair are very ProGore - they did a detailed article on the media's detestable

treatment of Gore in 2000 a few months before they put out this article.

They also put Gore on the cover for their Green Issue. They are tight as can be with Gore. Gore would have been given that article to review before VF would print it.

[cuke]

32. They also ran a "Gore wears brown sweaters" story

Now you're defending another MSM outlet

[blm]

33. Vanity Fair is Pro-Gore. Gore approved that article or VF wouldn't have printed it.

You can't stand that truth so you ignore it and attack me for having the guts to be an anti-corruption, open government Democrat who wants BushInc brought to justice while you side with those Dems who protect the secrecy and privilege of the Bushes.

The differences between us could not be clearer.

[cuke]

34. Yeah, right. I believe you. I also believe the rightwinger Sally Bedell Smith

After all, you know how honest they are

[blm]

35. Gore's people are honest. Gore approved the article before VF printed it. THAT is how

it works.

YOU side with secrecy and privilege. I side with open government. THAT is the way it is.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

YOU think this nation can afford the continuing protection of BushInc - I do NOT.

[cuke]

36. Yeah, right. I believe you. I also believe the rightwinger Sally Bedell Smith

After all, you know how honest they are

[blm]

37. Heh. Flopsweat replies.

.

[MBS]

27. thanks-- people need to read all of these n/t

[geek tragedy]

5. Somersby's head will explode if Gore endorses someone

besides the Clintons.