Will Kucinich take a hit on DU for Ron Paul as big as Obama took for Donnie McClurkin?

[LoZoccolo]

Let's see if the hypocrisy is defended and allowed to stand.

[LoZoccolo]

1. Or maybe just ignored!

Maybe this thread will sink because they're just going to sweep all of Ron Paul's insane politics under the rug!

[MethuenProgressive]

45. Obama didn't take many 'hits' on McClurkin - his DU backers approved.

Many who questioned Obama's embrace of the bigot wing of his church were shouted down.

[Mythsaje]

2. I ain't happy about it...

then again...none of these folks are my candidate. When you get right down to it, it doesn't affect me that much.

[Jim Sagle]

3. Not from me, he won't. That's because I'm not surprised in the least by this.

And I was never impressed with Kooch to begin with.

[harun]

52. Not from me he won't either, but I am always impressed by

Kooch. Both RP and DK know there are bigger issues that need tending to, they see the media will not cover these issues and the mainstream media endorsed candidates won't touch them either. This is why they are being respectful to each other.

[Joanne98]

4. No! If he didn't take a hit for his UFO sighting, he won't take a hit for Ron Paul!

He's hit proof!!!!!

[Basileus Basileon]

5. I find this rather expected from him.

Take it as you will.

[cuke]

6. Kucinich didn't say it and neither did his wife

Anyone who believes something merely because a hacked up quote, devoid of context, appears in print is a bit too gullible for my tastes.

[Basileus Basileon]

8. He's playing the same "saying it without saying it" trick the others do.

He's danced around it and alluded to it repeatedly. Dennis can be very forthright when he wants to be, and has his ear closest to the netroots of anyone. If he wasn't actually considering Paul, he would have already said so.

[LoZoccolo]

10. Ooooooookay.

Then how about this?

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/11/if_kucinich_wins_nomination_ro.html

[Mojorabbit]

14. This is below you

when the article you post says this
"However, Ron wants to substantially cut the size and scope of the federal government. There are too many differences on issues such as taxes and spending to think a joint ticket would be possible."

[LoZoccolo]

17. Kucinich didn't say that, the article guy did. n/t

[Union Thug]

11. Has he denied it?

I don't pretend to know what really happened, but if he hasn't denied making the statement (or offered clarification), then what are we to think? Honestly, I hope you're right and it is a butchered, out of context quote.

[cuke]

49. Do you still beat your wife?

I'm still waiting for the denial

[Union Thug]

53. Here's my reply: Never did...

and all Kucinich needs to say is "I never said that..." or "my comments were taken out of context, this is what I meant..." I'd be happy with that.

[cuke]

54. I'm glad to hear that

I thought you seemed like a real nice person, even with the moniker. I'm glad to hear my initial suspicions were correct

BTW, do you still kick your dog?

[hayu_lol]

43. Cuke, yeah he did say it...and so did Elizabeth...

Not only was Elizabeth correctly quoted, but this morning on ABC(KGO San Francisco)Dennis's statement was also correctly quoted.

He thinks Paul is just fine. Paul is somewhere to the right of Grover Norquist.

[cuke]

50. I haven't seen it

All I've seen is hacked up quotes. I may have gone too far by saying that neither has ever said it (none of us know everything they've said) but so far, I haven't seen one source that supplies a full quote. Heck, I haven't seen a full sentence quoted.

[hayu_lol]

60. Actually, Dennis said that Elizabeth was right...

soundbyte on ABC news, KGO San Francisco at 3am Pacific time this morning. Dennis was someplace in NH at the time.

Ought to be an interesting ticket. Kucinich/Paul...one anti gun and one pro gun.

Sounds like the OK corral.

[Union Thug]

7. As a Kucinich supporter, I'm blown away by this and won't defend it..

I can't imagine what Kucinich is thinking. The only thing they (Paul and Kucinich) have in common is their positions on the war and similar stances on drug decriminalization/legalization. The rest is night and day.

[Basileus Basileon]

13. I assume he's trying to siphon some of the internet love from Ron Paul.

[flvegan]

9. I guess the Oasis schtick got old.

Who figured.

[LoZoccolo]

12. Pit bulls, lol. n/t

[flvegan]

15. Stupidity, lol. n/t

[Basileus Basileon]

19. Internet, lol n/t

[flvegan]

20. Sockiezombieness, lol. n/t

[LoZoccolo]

21. Suspension, lol. n/t

[flvegan]

23. You first, lol. n/t

[Basileus Basileon]

22. Internet Santa: lol, lol, lol. nt

[flvegan]

25. Incontinetia Buttocks, lol. n/t

[cboy4]

16. Are you kidding me? You're comparing Obama

actually embracing a dangerous homophobe with Kucinich actually NOT running with Ron Paul?!

Hypocrisy? :wtf:

[LoZoccolo]

18. What? You're comparing some dude singing a song with...

...being considered for second-in-command of the US government?

[cboy4]

24. Yea, it was more than just "some dude singing a song."

And you know it.

[LoZoccolo]

26. That was the station he was assigned by Obama.

Kucinich on the other hand, would put Ron Paul potentially in charge of everything. Could you imagine, some other disaster happening with Ron Paul in charge, and him giving an executive order to FEMA to stop rescuing people?

[cboy4]

27. You must not be very sensitive about civil liberties

if you can't comprehend why what Obama did was wrong.

You're comparing a hypothetical (Ron Paul as VP...yea, that'll happen) with someone who might win, and who figuratively slapped the faces of all gay people.

There was no reason he needed to do that, and it's why I immediately crossed him off my list, as I know many others have.

He should have known better being a minority.

[LoZoccolo]

28. H.R. 7955: "A bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life."

Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds to any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d096:13:./temp/~bd5nPW:@@@L&summ2=m&|/bss/d096query.html|

This was legislation proposed by Ron Paul in Congress. This is actual government power he is trying to put behind this, and Kucinich is saying, "hey, this guy should have even more."

On edit: The link doesn't seem to post correctly on DU but if you go here http://thomas.loc.gov/bss/d096query.html and search for "strengthen American family" it will be third in the results.

[Basileus Basileon]

29. Right. You can't at one moment say that

Obama inviting a notorious homophobe to sing a few songs is an endorsement of his policies, and at the next moment say that Kucinich talking about making Ron Paul VP while praising his "truth-telling" and "conviction" is not.

[cboy4]

30. Dude, I don't support Ron Paul, except for his

anti-war policies.

I'm familiar with his anti-gay beliefs, which means I could never support him.

Now are you telling me that Dennis Kucinich has announced he is running with Ron Paul, and thus signs off on all of his nutty ideas?

Where did I miss this news?

[LoZoccolo]

31. He said he was thinking about it.

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/11/if_kucinich_wins_nomination_ro.html

[cboy4]

33. I understand what he said, which is why I asked you the

question.

He has not said that he will be choosing Paul.

He said he is thinking about.

Kucinich still has time to do the right thing.

Obama already pulled the trigger.

[LoZoccolo]

37. Why would he think about it?

And Obama took hits for it since it was discovered on Americablog. If Obama would have made a u-turn, I think he still would have been castigated to this day for considering booking McClurkin for any period of time.

[cboy4]

39. Nah, Obama would have gained street cred in the gay

community for making the u-turn and coming to his senses.

You have to understand LoZoccolo, there's only one thing worse to gay people than a homophobe.

And that's a gay homophobe.

And that's who Obama embraced.

He was warned, but he did what he wanted.

Now he has to pay the consequences.

Dennis K has done nothing that compares to that.

[Ytzak]

36. What exactly did Kucinich say.

"I'm thinking about Ron Paul" as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together "to balance the energies in this country," Kucinich said.

The way the quote is broken doesn't say that. He could have been thinking about Ron Paul for anything from Vice President to pilot of the UFO to the pivot man in a threesome.

Can anyone post an actual transcript of what Kucinich said?

Ron Paul said this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx9a4hNeIRo">Ron Paul via You Tube

Kucinich's wife said this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjiGuOsKr04">Kucinch's wife said this

Could this simply be hyped?

[AlertLurker]

55. No - actually, he didn't - at all.

has everyone gone nuts around here?

[Bluebear]

42. "Some dude singing a song". Why are you presenting a falsehood?

You know perfectly well it was more than a song.

[LoZoccolo]

46. So if Obama picked McClurkin for VP instead of as a singer, that wouldn't have been as bad? n/t

[Stop Cornyn]

32. I don't know. Is Ron Paul a homophobic shitheel?

[Basileus Basileon]

40. Is that a serious question?

[Stop Cornyn]

59. Sure. I don't know where Paul stands on equal rights for gays.

[MonkeyFunk]

34. No

because Kucinich has nowhere near the base or attention that Obama had.

But if we went with actual numbers and not percentages, Obama could recover from a 2% loss. It would likely put Kucinich into negative numbers.

[Union Label]

35. There is no way on this planet that Kucinich will run with that repuke

And yes I'm a Dennis supporter.

[Basileus Basileon]

41. Both he and Paul seem amiable to the idea.

[LanternWaste]

47. I come across as open to many, many ideas

I come across as open to many, many ideas in my office. Amiable to them, if you will. Yet more often than not, I'm actually not even considering them-- I'm simply listening politely and infusing the discussion with an occasional, "Absolutely-- I'll give that idea all due consideration", while in reality, I couldn't tell you what that idea was five minutes later.

I call it politics.

[ecstatic]

38. Doesn't seem so. Proves the outrage was faux nt

[IndianaJones]

44. you get what you deserve with a one trick pony. nt.

[DemBones DemBones]

48. I'm waiting to see what happens. The Cleveland press has

always tried to undermine Dennis so as a general rule I don't believe what they say about him.

For the record, I never criticized Obama about Donnie McClurkin.

But it occurred to me months ago that if Kucinich and Paul combined their support, they could win, as a non-corporatist, anti-war ticket. Lots of voters are fed up with both parties and looking for a third way. They've got some big ideological differences to resolve but politics is the art of compromise. That said, I'm not sure they could work out their differences. We'll see. I'm not going to spend much time thinking about it as long as nothing definitive has been said.

[Perry Logan]

51. Bigger. Dennis has lost the chance he never had.

[Ignis]

56. Time for the weekly LocoBurro flamebait thread, I see.

Carry on!

[LoZoccolo]

57. When it's against Obama, it's true outrage. When it's against Kucinich, it's flamebait.

Got it.

[Ignis]

61. Whatever the flavor, it's always a "Gotcha!" though, isn't it?

:hi:

[FredScuttle]

58. It would be a fair comparison

if Obama and Kucinich were neck-in-neck in the polls. But they aren't. Anyway, I see Kucinich taking a LOT of heat for this Paul nonsense, even if he's just suggesting that he's considering it.

[dsc]

62. Unlike Obama, I never considered voting for Kucinich

but I will say that Ron Paul on our ticket would make me stay home.