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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:14 AM Original message |
Obama plan: reward teachers, lengthen school time |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. as a teacher, |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I understand that you are not for it as a teacher, but there have been now many studies showing |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. you know what would really help |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. How is that going to give my kids breaks throughout the day? |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. you may have a point regarding what's best for the kids |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. Good point |
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Mother Of Four (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
73. No real need to lengthen the school day... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. Do you have a link to those studies? |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Tell it, Sister! n/t |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
63. I am so over these false talking points!! |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
82. They are trying to get the same sort of "accountability" on the college |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #82 |
104. Did you know they are now testing Head Start kids? |
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LeFleur1 (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
103. More Breaks in a Long Day? |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Maybe he's trying to tackle the fact that the US is woefully |
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Justyce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. The summer vacation here was about 2-1/2 months this year. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Well, my kids had no recess from september to december except for |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. Our kids get no recess at all |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
34. That's false |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #34 |
91. Would you do me a HUGE favor and confirm that it's possible to track kids performance |
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Justyce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. No kidding - Kids already spend plenty of time in school each day... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. My kids have so many days off it's a joke |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Congresspeople ?\nt |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Yep...I'm all for pulling the plug on that too nt |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. ok...you take the job then? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Read the original post |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. maybe, or maybe not |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Maybe it should be up to what's best for kids |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. good luck... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. good riddance... |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. nah... |
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Mother Of Four (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
76. Please read my reply #73... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. Have you not heard about the teacher shortage? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. There is a teacher shortage because there is a money shortage. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. It's really not that simple. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Very few teachers in public school are education majors |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. You have no idea what you are talking about |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Wha? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I'm not surprised |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. No teacher that I know of in my kids' middle school |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. You have asked every teacher in that school what their degree is in? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Bullshit yourself. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #68 |
86. Read the fine print next time |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. On second thought. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Teacher certification in CA changes all the time, lol. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #74 |
90. There are some states, like Alaska, that will never meet the highly qualified mandate |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #90 |
98. We have a problem in middle and high school in my state. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. The sped teacher shortage in my district is due to this highly qualified requirement |
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ThePowerofWill (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
108. Irreplaceable? |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. My 2 cents, but you sure don't sound like you enjoy |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. A few points from this teacher: |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Thank you. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
59. It's a contract thing. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
71. IMO the point of BTS should be more one of parent involvement |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. The school I mentioned, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
38. If you really believe teachers are on vacation all summer, |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I keep in touch with a bunch of friends from college |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. And I am sure I know a whole lot more teachers than you do |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. As a parent, I am not in favor either. Children need time to be "children." |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. I taught in an elementary school where the kids were there from... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. We have a couple charter schools here doing that |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. One can hope. |
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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. I'm a teacher...and I DO need more time to teach... |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
14. I don't know if the school day needs to be lengthened, but it does need to be restructured. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
62. The answer to that dilemma: |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
15. Obama unveils $18 billion education plan, fix NCLB |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
16. Lengthening the school day is just as bogus idea as constant testing (the Bush approach) |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
21. "Reward pay" is not "Merit pay." |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Rewards should go to teachers who effectively help |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. That's basing "rewards" on test scores, |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
79. It is no different than bonus's at a company that are tied to many |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. In is NOTHING like sales bonuses. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. I am not suggesting they don't work hard enough |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #85 |
95. One person's "a lot" of teachers is not a significant sample. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #95 |
106. How much do you think the problem is with the culture in the |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. U.S. culture is a big factor, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 09:42 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. There's a good reason you saw that |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Why would the administrators get that much power? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. the "business model". |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #87 |
93. Education is like any other business in that respect |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #87 |
102. America has been convinced our public schools are failures |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
53. My kids are disabled; they are in the first percentile |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
81. In my opinion the most important job is the teacher who helps |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #81 |
89. I'm not seeing the incentive. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #89 |
94. And don't forget the same administrators making these decisions |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. but they're paragons of objectivity, those admins! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #96 |
101. I have one of the few good ones and she is losing her mind |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #89 |
105. You and Proud make a really important point: |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
51. I'd be happy with air conditioning |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. That, too. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Check your PMs |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
24. in what way are "incentives" not "merit pay"? |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
27. I think he's actually talking about pre-school. |
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hellbound-liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
30. As a teacher, I have to say that I am getting really tired |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I'll second your points, too, |
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hellbound-liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. You make some excellent points too, LWolf! |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. I think Americans do value education |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. I don't disagree but, what is the solution then? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Any suggestions? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
57. We don't value kids in our society |
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hellbound-liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. Whether or not, or how, American education needs to de fixed IS debatable |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. It is not valid to compare our kids test scores to other countries |
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hellbound-liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Right, but if you look at the stats, you will see that our 4th graders fare much better than average |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Yes we do need to borrow ideas and share with other countries |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #30 |
88. Kids raise their hand to show they know something |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #88 |
97. Wow where did you ever get that idea? |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
69. For conscientious teachers, the day is already kind of long. Extra time would most likely |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
80. As a teacher, I have to say, this is so wrong. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
99. Problems with teacher burnout |
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