"Irish Times:"....Bill Fundraising for Hillary in Ireland...Uses Irish/US Lawyer as $$$$ Bagman

[KoKo]

Clinton fundraising in Dublin

Former US president Bill Clinton will touch down in Dublin today for a fund-raising mission to support his wife's bid for presidency.

Mr Clinton will also hold talks with Taoiseach Bertie Ahern during his time in the capital.

The pair are due to meet at Government Buildings tonight to discuss the remarkable transformation in politics in Northern Ireland and on the island.

"The Taoiseach will take the opportunity to update President Clinton on developments in Northern Ireland since the restoration of devolved government in May," said a government spokesman.

"With all of the democratic institutions fully operational - the Northern Ireland Assembly and Executive, the North/South Ministerial Council and the British Irish Council - as the people intended when they voted overwhelmingly for the Belfast Agreement in 1998.

"They are now working intensively for the benefit of all of the people in a spirit of co-operation and based firmly on the principles of peace and democracy."

The men will also discuss the progress made under the Ireland-Clinton Foundation HIV and Aids Partnership and the work being done particularly in Mozambique and Lesotho.

After the meeting, Mr Clinton will attend a private fundraising event Ballsbridge, in Dublin's leafy Embassy district, for his wife Hillary's presidential campaign.

More than 100 people are expected at the €1,500-a-head function, which will be held in the spacious Raglan Road home of Dublin lawyer Brian Farren, a member of the bar of the US Supreme Court.

Under Irish law, donations to a US political campaign can only be made by US citizens or Green Card holders.

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/1117/breaking14.htm

[Captain Hilts]

1. They LOVE Bubba in Ireland. nt

[Tellurian]

4. May the "LUCK o' The IRISH" shine on Hillary!

[cali]

2. So?

And Obama's wife went to London to raise bucks in the same way. It's perfectly legal as long as the only money accepted is from American citizens and Green Card holders- as the article notes. Bagman connotes illegality.

[KoKo]

3. It's Irish Donors giving the money to the US/Irish lawyer to donate

is what the article is pointing out. It's known as "bundling" to give to a "bagman." Of course the article could be not the truth of it..but, if it's not true...Mark Penn better get on top of it.

[cali]

5. no. where do you see that Irish donors are giving

money? The article does not say anything of the kind. It says that only U.S. citizens and green card holders can donate to U.S. campaigns. I can guarantee you that there are enough well heeled ex-pats and duel citizens in Dublin who will pony up for the chance to rub shoulders with Bill.

[KoKo]

6. It's "bolded" in the article from the Irish Times in the OP ...n/t

[incapsulated]

20. Huh? I doesn't say anything about Irish people donating

More than 100 people are expected at the €1,500-a-head function, which will be held in the spacious Raglan Road home of Dublin lawyer Brian Farren, a member of the bar of the US Supreme Court.

What a bunch of bullshit. What I'm supposed to infer this is illegal, since you have no evidence?

[KoKo]

28. Where does it say like Calli says that these are "Irish/Americans" there donating at Ballsbridge?

Article says what it says. I bolded what it says and gave a link. Go after the "Irish Times" and not ME about this for posting EXACTLY what the ARTICLE SAYS!

We don't know if this was a Fundraiser for Irish Ex-PAts like Calli implies...or if they are Irish Citizens who are giving the money to Clinton's Bagman but the ARTICLE ITSELF seems to imply its Irish Citizens coughing up the 1,500 and that Clinton's Bagman because he's on the US Supreme Court's (private bar) he can "present" the donations to Hillary clean and free of taint.

As I keep saying...Hillary's Campaign needs to get on this ASAP...it smells rotten and she needs to clarify what went on.

[cali]

46. Just sad. Hard to understand this kind of

of obtuseness. I'm embarassed for you, since you don't seem to have a clue as why your posts in this thread are utterly moronic. I shouldn't even be this mean, but your willful ignorance begs for it.

[cali]

27. you clearly can't read. It's that simple.

it says nothing of the kind. Nothing. It specifies who can and cannot give. Pathetic that you can't figure that out.

[KoKo]

29. Okay...then snip the quote from the article that verifies what YOU are saying, then.

:shrug: When you keep posting the same thing over and over without verifying what you are saying it does lead one to wonder if it isn't YOU who has the reading problem or that you are so used to your "chosen audience of sycophants" that you can't stand the challenge. :Shrug:

[cali]

33. this is absurd. you clearly have not a clue.

what part of "it's illegal to take campaign funding from those who aren't American except for Green Card holders" don't you understand? If this was a story about Clinton taking illegal contributions, that's precisely what the headline would read. And seeing that this article was posted BEFORE anyone had given a red cent, that's clearly NOT what the story is about. American candidates raise money from American expats all the time. There's not even anything new about this. It's beyond bizarre that you're insistiing this is about Senator Clinton taking illegal funds from Irish citizens. I'm flabberghasted that you don't get what this article is about.

[cali]

54. Michelle Obama in London raising money for Barak

September 2007:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/barackobama/story/0,,2160376,00.html

[MethuenProgressive]

7. "Uses Irish/US Lawyer as $$$$ Bagman" that's blarney.

Jealousy is so unbecoming.

[KoKo]

8. If it was McCain...would you feel the same way?

McCain

[MethuenProgressive]

9. Would you be posting bogus subject lines if it were McCain?

[KoKo]

11. Yes,....Mighty Mouse is everywhere....on all sides pointing out....

:rofl: Mark Penn needs to get on this ASAP!

[itsrobert]

10. Is something rotten in Dublin?

I'm sure everything is on the up and up.

[Tellurian]

12. No! ...Everything is GREEN in Dublin!

*****$$$$$$$$$$*****

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Maybe They Appreciate Bill Clinton's Work To Bring Peace To Northern Ireland

DSB

[KoKo]

25. Of COURSE they DO! Sheesh.... it's that Bill is over there and a Bagman

is collecting donations! (if the article is true) and should we be applauding that? :shrug:

[Tellurian]

64. I'm sure they do.

Ireland has been affluent and a joyous place to be since Bill brought about the Peace Accord.

BC will be so blessed by the Irish, he'll need a Brinks Truck meeting him at the airport to carry the loot home!

[BeyondGeography]

13. Ballsbridge?

[KoKo]

15. Well...you can't make stuff up about "Estate Names" can you...seems the owner

Reeeeeely liked that name...or some weird Irish ancestor had a great sense of humor....:eyes:

I won't even get into why Bill would be at a place with that name. No sense of decorum?

[MethuenProgressive]

14. Is anti Irish bigotry still alive in the U.S.?

It'd be sad to find that it is.

[KoKo]

16. What an incredible "change of subject!" Tip 'O the Hat to Ya!

Change the Subject? Focus on Irish and how they love Clinton? Sweep it all under the rug and not have QUESTIONS? As I keep saying...Mark Penn needs to get on this one ASAP!

[monmouth]

18. "Irish Need Not Apply"....Just threw that in there, grandpop Murphy knew it well...

[KoKo]

19. I dunno...my Irish Ancestors didn't come from Ballsbridge and didn't have money

because of the Potato Famine. They forged papers and did what they could to escape the poverty imposed by the Brits on them...but actually a few were royalty who fled with William of Orange...and had come over with William the Conqueror in 1066...some of them being French who came to England and were killed in the Henry VII's purges and part of family fled to Northern Ireland. I married a guy whose family forged papers to get to America. I'm the French, English, Irish...and he's the Scot's Irish who had a couple of Sinn Fein members who fled because they were agitating against the Brits and came into America through Canada...We have Royalty and Maids and folks who forged papers in our ancestry....We are a "Motley Crew" but we believe in the Constitution...we believe in FREEDOM of EXPRESSION and we hate those who cozy up to the "Powers that Be" no matter how often they keep coming BACK when we think we've beaten them.

Weird how things come around and go around.....isn't it..

[monmouth]

23. My family came from Mayo and Cork, the eldest great aunt came first

and went into "service" with a NJ family. When the family needed more help Aunt Annie would bring Delia, Kate and grandmother Mary over so they had jobs. Uncle John came over last to be the butler, etc. The family were Catholic so saw to it that my mother and her sister and brother went to Catholic School free of charge. Oy, the stories I used to hear, some sad, mostly really funny. The one thing I do remember, if you were on your death bed and the archangels were tuning up, you went to vote Democratic doncha know, or go straight to hell, no stopping in purgatory for your damned eejit soul....

[KoKo]

24. Well...a "hat tip to ya."

Agitators for Freedom and Justice...all.!

[wyldwolf]

21. K&R!!!

[KoKo]

22. You never read a word....Shame on you Wyld...n/t

[wyldwolf]

26. everyone of them. Shame on your faux outrage

[KoKo]

30. Your reply speaks for itself....n/t

[wyldwolf]

31. and yours does too

Tell me, dear KoKo1, WHAT exactly is the problem with this piece?

[KoKo]

32. Let me turn it around on you..."What exactly Isn't the Problem with this Article?"

That's the question and anti-question. :shrug: Clinton over in Ireland hawking money for Hillary at a fundraiser that the "Irish Times" says is donors who are paying to go to Baldsbridge to hear Clinton but that because of US Campaign Laws they can't donate unless they are US Citizens or Green Card HOlders and so Clinton designates the person to take the Donations as a US/Irish Lawyer who DOES HAVE legal standing in US to be the "Money Collector" so that the funds can legally go to his wife.

You think "I" have a problem for posting this "IT's" article? WOO WOO...:eyes:

Mark Penn needs to get on this ASAP!

[wyldwolf]

35. why do "progressives" never answer a simple question? You posted the article. Where's the problem?

:shrug:

[KoKo]

40. I don't know why I still find you entertaining enough to reply to

when you either answer in ignorance or refuse to answer when confonted. There's just something curmudgeonly likeable about you Wyld...or I wouldn't waste my time. Maybe it's just that you are so "cluelessly arrogant."

[wyldwolf]

41. that's the problem. All you do is "reply." You never ANSWER.

Talk about being "cluelessly arrogant."

[cali]

36. Have you ever traveled abroad?

Do you understand that there are large expat communities in Ireland, England, Japan, Germany, France, etc., and that most of the candidates are raising money from these affluent Americans who live abroad and vote?

[KoKo]

39. Where does the article "Quoted" say that "Expat's" were the ones donating?

The article doesn't say that...yet you keep at this...trying to do red herring. Hey..."I" didn't write the article...I reported it...using my own emphasis with "bolding" but go to the link and read it.

You seem to have reading comprehension skills lacking that you can't address a Newspaper article from a foreign paper.

Have YOU traveled abroad and read the incredible "openess" of the Foreign Press in countries that aren't "Pravda Wannabees?"

[cali]

43. oh, for fuck's sake; how dim can you possibly be???

incredible. extraordinary. I know exactly what I'm talking about. you, on the other hand.... If this was about illegal contributions, that's what the story would stress. And it would be a BIG story. It spells out, for your elucidation, exactly who can and cannot give. It does not, as you insist, assert that Clinton is taking illegal contributions from Irish citizens. This is sooo pathetic. Or rather your misinterpretation of this story is sooo pathetic.

[KoKo]

53. You are very amusing...Lot's of Bluster but when "called out" you go on the attack and

imply that the "other person was the problem" and NOT your lack of reading ability. You appear very smart about what you say for folks who don't have time to read...and parse...but when it comes down to it, there's just an inability to read an article and interpret it on it's own as it stands without implying or discounting or trashing the poster who passes it along with the proper links to the original
reporting.

Turning around and turning around is a "Tactic" but it really never goes anywhere. It's fun for sparring for awhile...but it never goes too long...because there's no underpinnings to hold it for long in the minds of those seeking discussion that moves ideas along and doesn't stagnate in circular logic.

Peace!

[cali]

56. Peace to you to, and you're still completely fucking wrong.

Both Guiliani and Michelle Obama were in London this Fall doing precisely what Bill Clinton is doing in Dublin. Here's an article from The Guardian about Michelle Obama's London fundraising trip:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/barackobama/story/0,,2160376,00.html

Now explain to me why this is illegal.

[KoKo]

34. btw...Buzzflash had this up on their Website...DU isn't only one reading this

Mark Penn has got to get on this for Hillary, ASAP!

[cali]

37. Did they say that Bill Clinton was in Ireland collecting illegal

contributions?

[KoKo]

44. No...they had proper "Irish Decorum".......

:D

[wyldwolf]

38. buzztrash used to be almost relevant

[KoKo]

42. are you sayin...Until Wyld started reading PJ's Media & Politico as your DLC Bible?

every night before "beddie bye?" You've gotta be kidding...lol's GOOD TRY!

[wyldwolf]

45. poor poor KoKo01. She posted an article but can't explain what the problem with it is.

[KoKo]

47. Ooooooooo....digging in for the thorough trashing of the Messenger

aren't we....

Gotta go Wyld and Calli...enough is enough...gotta get back to my real life and my great dinner and the cleanup...ugh.

Have Fun!

Hillary's Campaign better get on this ASAP...it stinks and smells...and you guys know it ...but it's been fun sparring with you.

:hug: but what's going on affects us all...it's more serious than this thread implies. And, I have to hope you guys see it that way, too.

"Good Night...and Good Luck"...gotta take care of the "chores" now.

[wyldwolf]

49. KoKo01: "If the article is about Hillary, there must be a problem... just have to figure out what"

Yep, that's you.

[sufrommich]

48. LOL,this thread is hysterical!

[wyldwolf]

50. yes it is. The standard pattern. Post an article, pretend to know details not given in the article

[cali]

57. I know I should be more patient but I really

despise this kind of stupid.

[wyldwolf]

60. no, you have every right to be the way you are.

You have a bunch of netroot "progressives"* who think they know it all even though they think Howard Dean invented the Democratic party.

[sufrommich]

63. I thought you were being pretty damned patient.Too funny.nt

[MaineDem]

51. Under US law contributions can only be made by US citizens

Read all you want into this event but it's legal and I'm surprised more candidates don't visit with Democrats Abroad.

Other than Rudy who had an event in London this past summer.

[cali]

52. Michelle Obama was in London within the past couple of months

raising money from expats for Barak.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/barackobama/story/0,,2160376,00.html

[MaineDem]

55. Ah, I hadn't heard that

Thanks.

I know a lot of the members of Democrats Abroad. That's basically a state party organization with chapters (like county organizations) in many countries. They are eager for the candidates (or surrogates) to visit and they are more than willing to contribute.

[wyldwolf]

58. another example of an OP being unfamiliar with what is legal and trying desperately to nail Hillary.

sad... really.

[KoKo]

59. Gotta Go Tonight Guys....Don't let the Truthiness give you Nightmares!

Peace and whatever......
:grouphug:

[wyldwolf]

61. psst...

Under US law contributions can only be made by US citizens. Now, follow this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_Abroad

uh oh. Ouch.

[cali]

62. Presidential candidates raising money abroad- links:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/barackobama/story/0,,2160376,00.html

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1678436,00.html

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/23/america/overseas.php

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/16/AR2007101601005.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/09/18/post_77.html