Maureen Dowd calls Hillary "control freak". Says Rudy would eat her for lunch in debate

[antiimperialist]

Maureen Dowd from the New York Times summarized today what she thinks a Rudy-Clinton campaign would look like: (emphasis added by me)

She is a control freak — that’s why her campaign tried to coach wonky Iowa voters to ask wonky questions — and her male rivals are letting her take control.

The Democrats should not be afraid to mix it up now, while they have a chance, and get all the doubts and disputes out on the table. Taking some flak clearly made Hillary stronger.

If Rudy’s the nominee, he will go with relish to all the vulnerable places in Hillary’s past. At the Federalist Society on Friday, he had barely spoken the word “she” before the audience began tittering appreciatively.

Here is her final passage:

Hillary has her work cut out for her. Rudy will not be so easy to spank.

Any comments?

[maddiejoan]

1. Rudy will win a debate with Hillary --

-- if there is an evening gown competition.

[aquart]

7. Indeed. He may well have better legs for a skirt.

And if more women run for the presidency, I am sure we will add a swimsuit competition, too.

[MADem]

9. BEST post of the NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! nt

[saltpoint]

43. Dowd is smart, skilled, and witty, and in this case, wrong.

I don't think Giuliani is a particularly fluid individual and I think he's afraid of her.

She'd whip his fanny.

[AX10]

2. Dowd is an elitist POS!

She claims to be a liberal Democrat but she is always bashing the Democrats.

:puke:

John McCain has the right word to describe her quite well.

Additionally, Dowd is an extreme left-wing man-hater who deep down believes that Hillary should have left Bill after the Monica "scandal".

[Mz Pip]

3. Gee a politician who's a control freak

Who'd a thunk it? :eyes:


I wouldn't underestimate Hillary. She's a Clinton and knows how to get into the gutter with the best of them.

Rudy's one to cast aparagus on vulnerable places. :rofl: Be careful what you wish for Rudy.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[MethuenProgressive]

4. Maureen Dowd and the New York Times hate the Clintons. Always have, always will.

Screw her, and them, and all the rest of the MSM.

[aquart]

5. "Vulnerable places in Hillary's past"???? LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

Kerik? Three wives? Multiple adulteries. His children hate him. Vulnerable past? Not to mention that every firefighter in the nation is gunning for him AND the NYPD.

Then to equate a rabid rightwing Federalist Society audience with the American people???

What is the most frightening is Dowd's take that New York Times readers are so ignorant they won't get how full of shit she is. And she might be right.

[Kool Kitty]

25. Guess Maureen should do a little light reading about

Rudy. Any newspaper will do. Half of the front pages lately have loads of info for her to catch up on. Scandal after scandal after scandal. Her ignorance is showing.

[John Q. Citizen]

6. A choice between Rudy and Hillary? It that what America has come to?

Woe is us.

[saracat]

8. America can do better than this.

[sandnsea]

11. Horrifies me most every day

Where are the leaders? *sigh*

[illinoisprogressive]

10. Everyone knows she is very controlling. Total control freak.

[CyberPieHole]

14. Really? And this matters how? I guess since she's a woman, "control" is a negative...

attribute. Men who are in "control" are admired, yet women are "controlling".:eyes:

That says more about your ancient and tired sexist beliefs than anything else.

[barbtries]

33. thank you n/t

[CyberPieHole]

49. You are welcome barbtries.

:hi:

[beaconess]

51. Bingo!

Give me a break!

[Gabi Hayes]

15. sorta like everybody knows Gore said he invented the internet, or

that he discovered Love Canal, or he and Tipper were the inspiration for Love Story?

that sort of everybody?

as part of the M$M crowd that creates the usually mythical, unalterable campaign narrative, Dowd is beneath contempt, along with her colleagues.

THEY helped create the myth of the compassionate, HONEST, man of the people--B***--as opposed to the craven, dissembling liar, Al Gore

they did the same thing to Kerry last time, and they'll do the EXACT same thing thing with WHOEVER wins the demnom

what credible EVIDENCE is there that Hillary is a 'control freak,' anyway? how, exactly, would that trait be measured?

btw, I can't stand Hillary, I just find it sadly amusing that this sort of unquestioned smear always works against dems, and is always accepted as gospel, helping to implant the narrative that forms a sub/unconscious mindset with the average news consumer/voter: Gore the liar, Kerry the flipflopper, Hillary the BITCH, Edwards the preening trial lawyer, Obama the....dunno yet; just wait until/if he gets the nod (he won't, so that narrative won't be established)

[CyberPieHole]

21. Agreed, Gabi. One can always count on some nimrod to buy the RW meme...

but to have them spread it around DU is kinda sick.

[aquart]

16. Define "everyone."

And do try to provide links when posting your fantasies. You'll find it grounding.

[Gabi Hayes]

19. well...maybe not "everyone" ...... but 'some' say this, don't they?

the same some people who always force the likes of interviewers to confront democratic candidates with gotcha questions like, "Some people say you're an indecisive, yet controlling bitch, who can't even decide whether she likes diamonds more than pearls. How do you respond?"

[aquart]

27. "Some"? How many would "some" be? Where are these "some?

No way I EVER let a student get away with "some." It reeks of "I didn't do the research but I'm hoping you won't notice so I just made it up."

[sallyseven]

47. And the men running for president

are not control freaks? Pleezze. I never dreamed that there were so many chauvinist on this board. It is loaded.

[CyberPieHole]

61. The male candidates are "in control"...the female candidate "is controlling"...

I don't detect any sexism, do you?:eyes:

[juajen]

12. This thread is a riot.

K & R for the best laugh tonight!

[Karmadillo]

13. Novak and now Dowd. Anyone have an Andrew Sullivan comment to post?

nt

[CyberPieHole]

17. Jeff Gannon had a thing or two to say about Clinton...

I am sure we will be told what HE thinks of her courtesy of some vapid DU nimrod.:eyes:

[rucky]

31. And we haven't heard from Bob Boudelang in awhile. n/t

[CyberPieHole]

48. Haha...Bob Boudelang...can't forget him....not when one quotes Novak and Morris

[antiimperialist]

18. Here's a description of Maureen Dowd's ideology

As seen a couple of months ago by progressive blogger Bob Somerby, who protested Media Matters labeling Dowd as "progressive" in a recent media study:

Is Maureen Dowd a “progressive” columnist? We can’t imagine why we’d say that. We’ve read her carefully over the years, and it seems to us that she rarely expresses an actual view on any political or policy matter. Instead, she dithers and dallies on matters of trivia, voicing a range of utterly pointless and utterly predictable observations. And she’s largely an equal opportunity fool; she has criticized Gore’s bald spot and Giuliani’s comb-over alike. In short, Dowd isn’t progressive, or centrist, or conservative. More than anything, Dowd is a non-political throwback. She captures the fatuous world of the 50’s “women’s page,” in which the writer was allowed to opine about the hats at the recent parade. She rages out from this small, stupid world, but it’s the world she’s selected.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

36. Spot on. nt

[AX10]

37. Sounds about right!

And she claims to be a feminist too. :eyes:

[Maven]

41. Excellent description.

I'm sure she'll soon go back to her usual pastime, which is selecting cutesy nicknames for all the political players of the day.

[Didereaux]

20. and Dowd is a debate expert? just another MSM who happens to be a touchy-feely n/t

[Hekate]

22. Hillary to MoDo: Bring it on.

Honestly, Maureen Dowd is too clever by half sometimes. I think Rudy G would find himself outclassed on every front, even if he does have the legs for a dress.

Hillary would have Rudy for breakfast long before he'd have her for lunch.

Hekate

[Canuckistanian]

23. Dowd has lost it

Actually, she lost it in 1999 smearing Gore.

I respect NOTHING she says.

[Trajan]

24. If past is prologue .... (And it usually is)

Clinton will smear the aisles with the Ghoul ....

They have debated before ..... and Hillary won the election ....

[inthebrain]

29. That's because Rudy dropped out because of cancer

I'm not saying I like Rudy so don't take this the wrong way.

Rudy ran a reeeeaaalll nasty campaign to start it off with Hillary. She didn't fair to well, and like Kerry, didn't respond. Count Chocula was wiping the floor with her in that campaign.

Another simialarity with Kerry was that Hillary was relying too much on the debates to get her by. That's wouldn't have been enough.

I don't think Rudy is rated that highly in New York these days following the Kerik fiasco. With the way Hillary runs her campaign I don't think she has the where with all to remind the voters of it though.

I think she would have a very tough time in that state with the Count.

[creeksneakers2]

60. Hillary was beating Giuliani by a decent margin

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/2000/04/08/whil08.html

[Joe Bacon]

26. Whoreen is the control freak

Bob Somerby has carefully documented all of the garbage Whoreen Dowd has thrown at the Clintons. You can always expect Whoreen to spit on the Clintons, it's just like clockwork.

I'm waiting for that shrew to apologize to the Clintons and Al Gore. Until that presstitute apologizes for the lies she's told she can go to hell.

[barbtries]

34. but how do you really feel?

:)
i'm with you. and not just this whore: all of 'em. i get my news from DU, and my entertainment too...and hopefully i make my own damn mind up about who i believe to be the best candidate.

why can't the rest of america be more like me? we? us?

[anitar1]

28. Maureen who ? She is so forgettable. n/t

[Perry Logan]

30. She's been hitting the bottle again.

[Nimrod2005]

32. Right on!!!

[Hersheygirl]

35. This is a joke. Right?

Dowd must be the stupidest person in the world and I'm not even a Hillary fan.

[BeyondGeography]

38. Anyone who has ever heard Rudy try to describe his health care plan

knows that he couldn't eat any of our candidates for lunch.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I Read The Entire Article...Your Editing Is Interesting

The debate dominatrix knows how to rattle Obambi.

Mistress Hillary started disciplining her fellow senator last winter, after he began exploring a presidential bid. When he winked at her, took her elbow and tried to say hello on the Senate floor, she did not melt, as many women do. She brushed him off, a move meant to remind him that he was an upstart who should not get in the way of her turn in the Oval Office.

He was so shook up, he called a friend to say: You would not believe what just happened with Hillary.

She has continued to flick the whip in debates. She usually ignores Obama and John Edwards backstage, preferring to chat with the so-called second-tier candidates. And she often looks so unapproachable while they’re setting up on stage that Obama seems hesitant to be the first to say hi.

For the rest of the night she owned him. He was so off his game that he duplicated her dithering performance from the last debate on the issue of whether illegal immigrants should get driver’s licenses. After a tortured exchange with Wolf Blitzer, he ended up saying he favored it — one more sign that the law professor is oblivious to the visceral nature of campaigns.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/opinion/18dowd.html?_r=1&n=Top/Opinion/Editorials%20and%20Op-Ed/Op-Ed/Columnists/Maureen%20Dowd&oref=slogin

[antiimperialist]

53. That's part of her argument that she's a control freak

The main point of this whole article was that Hillary's opponents, specially Obama and Edwards did a bad job targetting an otherwise easy target, as reflected by her opinion that Rudy would take advantage of Hil's vulnerable past.
She was angry that Bam and Edwards, in her opinion, let her dominate the debate.

All things considered, I think Dowd has a negative view of Hillary Clinton, and it was reflected on the article.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. I Can't Get Into Her Head

I think she likes to make fun of people in print and then read what she wrote...

[antiimperialist]

59. She likes to lie about people too

See Al Gore/Love Story fabrications.

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. why is the media giving Rudy a free pass?

His past is fraught with fodder for any debate. I can only imagine Clinton ads with Rudy at his wife's death bed telling her about his affair--wearing pearls and a skirt.

Can you imagine how bad of shape America is in to allow Rudy to be a viable PRESIDENTIAL candidate?

We have sunk so low.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

42. Dowd is an idiot... does she think the Federalist Society is representative of the electorate?

DU calls Bush a chimp, but I didn't notice that having much national effect in 2004...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. You Should Read The Whole Article, Bro

I don't know what to make of Maureen Dowd other than she likes to make fun of people...

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

46. Fair enough. The OP does grossly distort the Dowd article (surprise!)

But she does seem to think that the positive reaction to Rudy's clowning at the Federalist society means something about the dynamics of Hilary debating Rudy.

If Rudy attempted that kind of derision in a national debate it would be fatal... for Rudy.

(I would just as soon say that the McCain 'bitch' clip shows that Hillary would have a hard time debating McCain because everyone cracks up when you call her a bitch.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. Rudi Did Have A Point About The Drivers Licenses

But everybody has vulnerabilities...

Of all the issues one chooses to be a federalist it is peculiar he or she would choose drivers licenses for undocumented workers...

I think she can beat Rudi because he's too hot for the medium of television but it won't be easy... I don't like the Ghoul but he is the federal prosecutor who stared mob bosses and Wall Street miscreants in the eye...In fact the thuggishness of the former rubbed off on him...

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

52. Off topic: I was looking at your sig and recalling the line in that

Cuban Missile Crisis movie where RFK is in some distress, explaining to someone that it's frustrating being considered the answer man.

"Everyone thinks I'm the smart one. I'm not. Jack's the smart one. I'm the tough one."

Do you know what that's derived from?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. Lots Of Great Kennedy Lines-Can't Find That One

I think that's a funny one... I "love" the whole Bobby, not just the cardboard saint he is now portrayed as...

The Kennedys were "politcal animals"... They weren't pie in the sky idealists though their rhetoric soared to high levels....

A great JFK quote...

He was holding a big state dinner with lots of luminaries and he said " there has never been so much knowledge in one room since Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

[antiimperialist]

57. Trust me, Dowd does more than just make fun of people. She lies

Remember her fabrications regarding Al Gore's comments on the "Love Story" movie?

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[Stuckinthebush]

56. I'm not a Hillary supporter, but...

I've got her back against MoDo. Dowd is poisonous to the Dems. All of them.

She's a gossip and her pieces rarely contain useful information.

[William769]

58. If Rudy would eat her in a deabte, what does that say about our other candidates?

[themaguffin]

62. Biden would roll over Rudy. Rudy wouldn't know what hit him

[Faryn Balyncd]

63. If we want to win in 2008, we should sent Biden up against Giuliani . . . .

[Spirochete]

64. Maureen the Moran

Must think *noun - verb - 911* is the ultimate debate argument. I'm not a Hillary supporter, but she could out-debate him on angel dust.

[jillan]

65. What is the story about her anyway? I used to love her, then started finding out about her.

Is she a Republican? Or is she just a bitch that will do anything - say anything to bring down other candidates who are in the way of her candidate?

It was her that made a big deal outta nothing in '88 when Biden forgot to mention Kinnock's name at the Iowa State Fair.
Sasso taped it, and gave it to her. Biden was the frontrunner back then. But I am sure that Hillary's campaign is better equipped to deal with her shit better than Biden's was in '88.

[Deja Q]

66. It sounds like the author of the article needs a sex life worse than I do.