Debate Report Card

[calteacherguy]

Biden: A

Obama: A-

Clinton: B

Dodd: C

Richardson: C-

Kucinich: D

Edwards: D-

[PresidentObama]

1. I give the top tier C's. Richardson an A. Dodd a B. Biden a B. And Kucinich an F.

[GreenArrow]

56. Kucinich an F? That's cause he utterly embarrased your lad.

.

[PresidentObama]

65. Um no. That's stupid to say.

You really don't know me, so how can you speak for me?

He was simply overshadowed. Like always.

Had nothing to do with my support for Edwards...

[mvd]

67. Well, we saw it differently

Kucinich stood out like a breath of fresh air when his time came. He says things that the front runners, rightly or wrongly, can't say. But peace - our focus should be on the Repukes!

[PresidentObama]

69. I liked his abortion answer, that's about all.

But you're right, our focus is the Repukes!

[goodgd_yall]

2. In your wonderfully unbiased opinion

:sarcasm:

[Tellurian]

3. How many threads are you going to start to earn Obama an A?

He finished 3rd...and you should be happy Edwards committed Hari-Kari tonight.

[calteacherguy]

7. Who says he finished third and Edwards committed Hari-Kari?

I've got him finishing second, so not too much disagreement there.


Edwards:
:nopity:

[Tellurian]

12. The audience booed Obama and Edwards..

The panel of candidates nicely asked Edwards to quit slinging mud at democrats..He doesn't get it. All he wants to do is tear down the front runner.. Edwards is a charlatan wrapped in a nice package. Here they would label him a carpetbagger! He's done!

[Drunken Irishman]

20. I agree with your Edwards comment.

[Tellurian]

29. Thanks, I callem as I see em!

of course, I'm half Irish. It's like being born with truth serum in your veins.

[Drunken Irishman]

34. Cause the Irish rock. ;)

Which is why I'm sympathetic toward both Dodd and Biden.

Though Obama could change his name to O'Bama and he might get Irish support. :D

[Tellurian]

47. You got that right,

Well, I'd love to hear O'Bama speak with an Irish accent. That would be hysterical.

Don't forget, Bill Clinton is half Irish as well. With Hill you get Bill .5 Irish in the WH!

[Drunken Irishman]

51. Yeah, Bill's mom shares the same surname as my mother's family.

Cassidy, even spelled the same way.

[Tellurian]

60. well..

Our Irish roots come from the McGuires on my Dad's maternal side.

I love the Irish, especially in Ireland. I've visited there several times and their hospitality is awesome.

[Drunken Irishman]

62. That's cool.

I got it pretty much on every side. My surname originally had Mc to it, but the family dropped it when they came over from Ireland (I'm guessing because of anti-Irish hatred).

[Tellurian]

68. Yes..

All the talk about the Holocaust.. The Potato Famine is hardly recognized as the tragedy it was-- inflicted on a people as a method for a horrendous ethnic cleansing by the British Empire.

I had the pleasure of meeting Frank Mc Court one night in a pub. He was a hoot. Had us laughing until 4 am. He surprised me by sending me a signed copy of his book 'Angela's Ashes,' when I returned home.

We've been building a Potato Famine Memorial for several years now as a monument to all who suffered under British oppression. Upon my last visit to Ireland, they would snicker and giggle to the side, having British workers for laborers doing their commercial and residential construction.

Old Sean sitting in his favorite chair looking on, reading his paper enjoying the sunshine and the fresh air of a beautiful blue sky day smiling away saying: "This is the way the Lord intended the World to be."

:toast: cheers!

[PresidentObama]

8. Tellurian, I didn't know it's possible...but we agree on something.

OH MY GOD, STOP THE PRESSES.

I thought Obama was bland tonight. He didn't hold onto the spotlight, and simply got overshadowed.

A few of the second tier candidates took the spotlight, and shined like Dodd, Richardson, and Biden. Senator Clinton didn't move up or down, she simply repaired the damage from last time. And Edwards was very mixed.

Obama though....no. Most disappointing performance of the top tier candidates.

[Tellurian]

18. Thats Impossible...I'll have to find something,,,

[tekisui]

4. Kucinich D?

Each of the four minutes bestowed on him ended with an ovation.

[gateley]

13. I agree. I was applauding him from home, too! nt

[AlCzervik]

14. Kucinich was great tonight.

[GreenArrow]

53. oops

wrong thread.

But Kucinich was w-a-y better than a D.

[AlCzervik]

5. wrong.

[AtomicKitten]

6. I'm with you on the top four.

But thought Kucinich and Edwards did well, say C+, and Richardson C-.

[mtnsnake]

9. Biden A, Clinton A, Dodd B+, Edwards D+, Kucinich A+, Obama C+, Richardson B-

[maddiejoan]

37. That's how I saw it as well

exactly.

[mtnsnake]

44. I guess it's really true that great minds think alike

:evilgrin:

[Colobo]

10. Clinton: A-. Biden: B+. Obama: B. Edwards: C+.

[calteacherguy]

11. Obama had the best answer on the false Human rights/National Security dichotomy.

He also had good responses in exchanges with Clinton on Health Care and Social Security.

[goodgd_yall]

15. If Kucinich hadn't been left out of that question, I'm sure he'd have the best answer.

It would be something like, if the U.S. had respected human rights in its own land and in the world, we would not have people in the world wanting to see our downfall.

[Tellurian]

16. Obama did poorly on the DL for illegals..

He should have had an ironclad answer ready to fire. I blame his consultants for that one. Nevertheless, He doesn't do well and never has done well thinking on his feet. I'd say he needs more seasoning for a better grasp of what each issue entails. As I've always maintained, he's not ready for this, one of the most difficult presidency's to preside over.

[Drunken Irishman]

17. My votes...

Clinton: A - She did well.

Biden: A - I really like Biden and his direct, speaking to you style.

Dodd: B+ - He answered the questions well, I thought.

Obama: B - He stumbled, but didn't look bad.

Kucinich: B- - He had some funny lines, but Kucinich shouldn't rail against people who change their mind (I mean, he did do a complete 180 on the abortion thing).

Edwards: C - I didn't think he performed well at all.

Richardson: C - Did well on the immigration thing, but really failed on the national security question.

[Clintonista2]

19. Obama and Edwards did TERRIBLE

I would give Obama an F, Edwards a D-

[Drunken Irishman]

21. An F, really now?

I don't think he did great, but I wouldn't give either Edwards or Obama that kind of grade. An F is pretty harsh...

[Clintonista2]

23. His response on the DL question ruined him

It completely destroyed him for the rest of the debate.

[Drunken Irishman]

25. Really?

I didn't see it that way. I think he did ok with the other questions, which definitely does not deserve an F. None of these candidates have performed at a level that deserves an F.

[CyberPieHole]

24. Obama/Edwards got BOOED!

They both stunk up the screen. I am surprised they did not apologize and resign their candidacies right then and there.

[Drunken Irishman]

27. How do you know they weren't booed by Hillary supporters?

Just because they were booed they should resign their candidacies? Yikes, tough room.

[Clintonista2]

28. All candidates try to get supporters to the debates

Putting aside the fact that Hillary is EXTREMELY popular in Nevada and JE has literally NO support there, it would show that Hillary's camp is certainly the most organized of the bunch.

[CyberPieHole]

31. But, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

The people who booed could only be Clinton "plants". Don't you get that?:sarcasm:

[Drunken Irishman]

32. Her supporters booed him...which was exactly my point.

I don't put too much stock in what supporters think of other candidates. Just like I wouldn't say Hillary performed badly if Obama supporters decided to boo her. It's like sports, you have your team and chances are you're not going to like your rival.

[Clintonista2]

39. I rejected your premise

You don't have any proof that it was "her supporters" that booed them.

[Drunken Irishman]

43. And you don't have proof they weren't.

Which tells me, the point is moot. Unless there is evidence they weren't her supporters, you can't use it to attack Obama. It could just be overzealous Clinton fans getting their undies in a bunch over a harsh tongued Obama.

[Clintonista2]

46. You made the accusation, the burden of proof is on you.

[Drunken Irishman]

49. Nope. The accusation was that he was booed.

Who booed Obama? That's the big question. If he was booed by Hillary supporters, then I don't think it's a big deal. If it were his own supporters, then I think it would be damning. But to suggest he lost the debate because he was booed only works if we know who booed him.

[Clintonista2]

50. No, the accusation was that he was booed BY HILLARY SUPPORTERS

I'm still waiting for your proof on that claim.

[Drunken Irishman]

55. The original was that he was booed.

I said if he was booed by Hillary supporters, it doesn't mean squat in my eyes.

[Tellurian]

41. Everyone had their own group of supporters there..

But it seemed the booing was coming from every direction not just from a certain area. The audience agrees with what Dodd, Richardson and Kooch all mentioned at the outset of the debate. I don't know anyone, except the die hard Edwards supporters who are afraid to admit this is not what this primary is about and enjoy seeing this mud fight continue. They certainly do not discourage Edwards from acting like a high school taunter and bully because it make them look bad. Believe it or not, I'm embarrassed for them.

The candidates seem to draw the people who are most like themselves...That is what I have deducted from this dynamic.

[Drunken Irishman]

45. It was hard to say.

I think Obama's boos were far less than what we heard from Edwards, right? I barely heard any boos from that Obama-Clinton moment. Though it could have been louder there in person, I do not know.

[Tellurian]

52. I agree, the Edwards booing dwarfed anything heard against Obama..

I think you would also think and agree, this is a tough gig and Obama is really in over his head. He's had a crash course of the knowledge necessary for a presidential run. He just isn't prepared for all the variables that come with every issue. He has one line and that is the one he's comfortable with repeating on the stump. He's unprepared to debate theoreticals in the abstract in order to float alternative solutions to workable conclusions or discard them because they are unworkable. It's called experience and that can only be gathered over time.

[ClarkUSA]

30. The plants performed well.

And to think you *say* you used to support Obama and Edwards.


Hard to believe.

[CyberPieHole]

33. They are all "plants"?

Someone should tell that to the pollsters.:silly:

[MalloyLiberal]

40. Either that or sheep. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[CyberPieHole]

78. ...

:eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

64. The ones who were booing were.

I'm not the only one who thinks so, either.

NBC's Chuck Todd is suspicious, too: "Clinton really benefitted from the audience responses; I'd love to
know who got tickets for this debate, whether one campaign was allowed to get more tix than another."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/15/469442.aspx

BTW, Hillary's NV chairman is top NV Democratic honcho Harry Reid's son.

[CyberPieHole]

79. Help is on the way...

[calteacherguy]

36. LOL. nt

[durrrty libby]

38. They were embarrassing and I am being kind

[ClarkUSA]

66. Of course you did - although CNN's Bill Schneider thought Edwards and Obama won the debate.

He said they had the best moments because they both drew sharp distinctions with others.
He thought Biden and Obama knew most about the issues and said Biden's extensive experience
showed while Obama was clear, concise on health care and stood out as a calm, clear communicator
who knew his issues and explained his views cogently.

He'll probably be saying more tomorrow during his CNN segments.

[CyberPieHole]

22. LOL! I hope you only "teach" in your "cyber" world...

Obama: A-:rofl:

Obama shat himself ON camera. Did you not watch it? He stunk up the screen. Clinton/Kucinich/Biden owned the stage. Obama/Edwards got BOOOED!

[Bluebear]

26. Obama got booed! God what a ridiculous report card.

[durrrty libby]

35. Too bad you didn't stick with your original candidate

Hillary won and so says my debate party....18 to 2.

[Maven]

42. Let's hope you do a better job grading your actual students. nt

[underpants]

48. What this again?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3720634&mesg_id=3720634

[Think82]

54. Biden wins every debate. I mean EVERY one. We need ot nominate him

[GreenArrow]

57. Kucinich, Dodd, Clinton all A

Biden B

Richardson B

Obama B

Edwards C-

[calteacherguy]

71. You are a generous Democrat. Only Republicans earn Ds and Fs? nt

[kad7777]

58. Totally agree

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtGCaqOdIJ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUC8LeZ1hM4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HcXkLbRIWw

[William769]

59. Seems like theres a teachers pet on this report card.

:rofl:

[mvd]

61. A quck check in with my grades

Kucinich A (he looked a little deflated early on, but later channeled his frustration very well. Glad he said the I word again!)

Biden A (gets points for being the only other candidate to bring up impeachment, even if it was contingent on if Bush rushes to war with Iran. Very pointed on audience questions.)

Richardson A- (only one line fell flat (when he said he just wants peace after saying Edwards wants a class war and Obama wants a generational war.) He was very convincing on immigration.)

Obama A- (I actually felt some of his orator skills come through in the debate for the first time. An impassioned performance.)

Clinton B (effectively gave back some of the attacks launched on her, like when she said Edwards flipped flopped on health care, but questions on Iran and social security were not addressed well. She wants a lot of diplomacy when she declared the IRG a terrorist group?)

Dodd B (can't remember much except for him asking for calm in the debate, but it was a typically solid performance given the time he had)

Edwards C- (really gained no new points on Hillary, and came across as sulky and petty. Was very surprised - he seemed unlikable tonight, and he's usually charming.)

[Odin2005]

63. Biden: A

Obama: B+

Edwards: B-

Dodd: C+

Kucinich: C-

Richardson: C-

Clinton: D+

[calteacherguy]

70. These report cards are admittedly quite subjective.

:hi:

[ddeclue]

72. Report Card

Biden B+
Edwards B-
Obama B+
Dodd B
Richardson D-
Kucinich C+
Clinton C-

[calteacherguy]

73. Ouch. Why so hard on Richardson? nt

[ddeclue]

75. He drones on endlessly giving me his resume and saying very little..

It's actually painful to listen to. I like the guy but I can't stand his droning...same reason I didn't like Warner for President back when he was talking about running.

I actually prefer him over Hillary as an actual President but I think he's a worse candidate because of his delivery style.

Doug D.

[itsrobert]

74. 74 replies and only 1 recommend

tsk tsk

[Eurobabe]

76. BIDEN, he was in rare form!

Go Joe!

[Phunktified]

77. Um?

Biden spoke in the debate? What did he say?