NPR Revisits Clinton Encounter w Single Mom Working 2 Jobs LEFT HER NO TIP!

[mod mom]

A Chance Encounter with Clinton

I followed Clinton during a recent bus tour across Iowa, when she and her entourage pulled into a Maid-Rite, a greasy spoon famous for its loose-meat sandwich. Clinton settled into a red stool at the counter, ate a sandwich, chatted with her waitress and then was on her way.

The scene gave Clinton perfect fodder for her next few stump speeches. Turns out her waitress was a single, working mom — just the kind of voter Democrats are courting aggressively this year.

Clinton recalled the meeting for an audience up the road in Boone. "The woman waiting on us — it was her first day," she said, adding, "She was a little nervous. Single mom, raised two boys, works at a nursing home and always has a second job."

-snip

Esterday does not think Clinton got it. "I don't think she understood at all what I was saying," Esterday said, adding, "I mean, nobody got left a tip that day."



http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16099751

[Colobo]

1. Stingy...

:)

[mod mom]

3. I was making my kid's lunches this morning when I heard the interview. I was

very angry afterward. :mad:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

7. It's a b.s. story, Katz. nt

[mod mom]

9. Listen to the interview at link to NPR.

[MethuenProgressive]

80. Now they're saying HRC did pay for the meal and left a $100 tip.

See post #78

[cuke]

87. Silly

you actually believed the BS

[mrreowwr_kittty]

2. I read that the restaurant comped the meal and didn't expect her to pay anything

When the story came out the campaign went to great pains to go back and give the waitress some money. This is a bullcrap story and I'm disappointed (yeah, I know I shouldn't be) by NPR for giving it airtime.

[mod mom]

5. If your meal is comped you still leave a tip.

[Colobo]

6. Exactly.

[RebelOne]

8. That's right. You are tipping for the service and not the food. n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

12. I'm trying to find y'all a link but I recall reading that the owner of the restaurant said

That they weren't expecting any money from her and he doesn't understand why a big deal is being made over it. Maybe he'd already given the waitress a gratuity.

[mod mom]

15. "nobody got left a tip that day." LISTEN to the interview with the waitress/mom.

[LiberalArkie]

16. You are missing the point, they should have wanted to help the waitress.

That is why caring and compassionate people leave tips. The more caring leave a larger tip. When my employer pays for the meal, most of leave tips for the waiters and waitresses. It is just the way things are done down here. Maybe different up north though.

[Breeze54]

62. People up north tip.

;)

[ShortnFiery]

90. True, I always carry around "extra cash" in order to leave the tip on the table

for my waitress/waiter. Many people put the tip on their debit/ATM/credit card, but IMO, someone who works hard on their feet all day deserves "instant confirmation" by seeing a 15%-20% tip on their table a.s.a.p.

[aikoaiko]

14. You are correct. Must leave tip even when meal is free.

[uberblonde]

19. Candidates never carry cash.

Her staffers should have taken care of it.

[ShortnFiery]

92. It's not ROCKET SCIENCE, if the candidates want the people's respect, they must carry cash for TIPS.

That's a perfect example denoting the fact that *these politico elites* have COMPLETELY lost touch with the average hard working wage-slave American. These spoiled a**holes need to "catch a clue" and carry small bills around in order to reward (tip) good service.

I despise the arrogance of SOME elites, politicos, et. al. :thumbsdown:

IMO, that's no f**king excuse ("My staff will take care of it.") ... you've lost touch with those who struggle to survive. :(

[cuke]

108. It's not ROCKET SCIENCE, Don't believe everything you read and hear

That's a perfect example denoting the fact that *these stupid DUers* have COMPLETELY lost touch with the truth about our media. These spoiled a**holes need to "catch a clue" and start reading critically.

I despise the arrogance of SOME effete purists, morans, et. al.

IMO, that's no f**king excuse ("I believed their lies") ... you've lost touch with what's happened to the media

[karynnj]

40. Exactly

Consider that it is etiquette to tip on the normal charge when using various discount cards - like the Entertainment booklet. All the same, this was likely the screwup of a Clinton staffer, not Clinton. Someone should have insured that the entire party left a generous tip.

[Moochy]

55. Suprise!

What??? NPR is not the liberal media??? Where are the staunch NPR News apologists now? (oops many are Ignored.. :rofl: )

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=22&media_view_id=9474

[5X]

4. My jaw hit the floor when I heard that,

talk about being in a bubble. Single mom, first day on the job
as a waitress, and no tip.

[BeyondGeography]

10. Politicians never pay for anything

When they appear in public, THEY expect to collect the money.

It's another reason why they are so widely despised.

[jefferson_dem]

11. But she served as such a fine political prop...

Ms. Esterday is also disappointed that Hillary used her story in her speech.

***

The way Clinton eased the waitress into her rhetoric is something repeated day after day, by all the campaigns. But in the process, people like the waitress don't always have their stories told.

'Nobody Got Left a Tip'

"I wished I would have been asked first," the waitress, Anita Esterday, said of Clinton's decision to insert her in a speech, adding, "I wish she would have asked if she could talk about me later. I didn't like it when someone called me up and said Hillary Clinton is talking about you. It's like, what'd I do now? What's she saying?"

[Colobo]

13. Ms. Esterday should vote for Obama.

[ShortnFiery]

95. You got that right Kat!

:thumbsup: :hi:

[Bonhomme Richard]

17. For Gods sake. I don't even like Hillary but, if it were true,....

don't you think that her assistants would be responsible for leaving a tip. Do you really think she is supposed to reach into her pocketbook at every stop and get some money out. Of course not. If there was a ball dropped it was dropped by the people with her.
If you want to buy into this kind of crap then be my guest.
Those pushing it become suspect in my eyes.

[nancyharris]

25. Yes, I do

If her meal is free, yes, I expect her to be personally responsible for leaving a tip - especially if she then when to the next campaign stop and used this waitress as part of her campaign rhetoric. Believe it or not, Presidential candidates do carry their own cash like you or I.

[ecstatic]

85. that's my guess too. If anything, her assisstants dropped the ball nt

[madrchsod]

18. i do`t expect her to tip but i expect "her people "

to tip the wait staff. hey hillay`s boys and girls----->"she works hard for her money and you better treat her right!"

[Colobo]

20. Hillary should have told her people to leave a generous tip.

[Sparkly]

22. Agreed.

An oversight by her campaign staff.

[Bitwit1234]

21. Didn't I say earlier that the Obama supporters would post anything

no matter how stupid, ignorant and not even verified, about Hillary Clinton. This is one of them..... And Obama has the shitty ass nerve to say a picture showing him not putting his hand over his heart at a Pledge of Alligence is a "dirty trick"..Lord have mercy, if he had all the crap, all the bashing, all the lies, and injustices posted about him that have been posted about Hillary JUST ON THIS JOURNAL, he would be sitting in a closet and crying his eyes out.

[ellacott]

28. Was it the Pledge of Alligence? n/t

[mod mom]

41. Actually I am not an Obama supporter although I would vote/work for him if he was the

nominee. I would work/vote for any Dem outside of Hillary Clinton (or any DLCer). It's not because of this issue, but because I truly feel CORPORATISM is ruining this country. Her policies such as NAFTA may be good for investors, but they are killing the middle class and are a serious national security issue (when you send manufacturing overseas, what will happen if the manufacturer nation is no longer your ally?)


"not even verified" LISTEN TO THE INTERVIEW.

[AX10]

23. It's the "librul media' again!

:argh:

[cali]

24. This thread is embarassing.

Let me put it this way: I'm embarassed for you and others on this thread who are riding this shit. You're getting smeared.

[mod mom]

30. The interview with the working mom was on NPR this morning.

If you are embarassed by the thread, perhaps it might be because this "oversight" pertained to your candidate.

1. Hillary made it an issue by using this woman's story w/o her permission in stump speeches.

2. NPR decided to re-visit the woman and interview her.

3. The mom working 2 jobs to make ends meet was left NO TIP. Perhaps someone from the campaign should correct this-don't you think?

[cali]

32. There are so many things to legitimately criticize Clinton forF

Forgetting to leave a tip isn't one of them. This looks so media manufactured.

[mod mom]

35. The issue isn't the tip, but the fact that Hillary didn't get this woman's story.

Hillary used her as an example talking about how difficult it is to make ends meet working two jobs, but she/or her campaign staff neglected to feel compassion for this woman by leaving a little extra.

Quote:

Esterday does not think Clinton got it. "I don't think she understood at all what I was saying,"

[Pawel K]

37. Why is this a non-issue to you?

It shows how disconnected from the middle class these people are. It is common sense that you leave a tip. I guess she was too busy with the all too important photo-op to remember something like that. :eyes:

That waitress makes around $3 an hour without tips, it is common decency to leave a tip. Instead she wasted this woman's time and then used that for political gain.

[cali]

39. Do you honestly believe that any of the candidates

do their own tipping? Please.

[nancyharris]

50. Yes

I know for a fact that Senator Biden has tipped for food service. I saw it with my own eyes in New Hampshire.

[youthere]

56. He did at his Tipton stop as well.

[redqueen]

63. Nice... I like that guy.

Good to read stuff like this.

:thumbsup:

[Pawel K]

51. $3 an hour to be used for a political stunt

I don't know the answer to your question, but it is common sense to tip. The fact this happened here tells me this happens all the time and this was only the first time anyone said something. You don't think she or her team should have asked one day if they are tipping these people after they serve them? Not a single person in that campaign, including Hillary, bothered to think about someone else for a change?

[Apollo11]

49. If you want to be taken seriously here at DU

Maybe try a different avatar? :eyes:

[Pawel K]

53. Thank you for your wonderful opinion. But please, do go waste your time elsewhere. nt

[redqueen]

64. Are you serious?

Judging content based on an avatar... my goodness, I hope you don't think the majority of DUers and lurkers are really that shallow.

[Apollo11]

81. Never trust an Arsenal fan

B-)

[SharonAnn]

99. It seems that it's not true. $100 wa s left for the staff. Somebody didn't share it.

[mdmc]

26. That was about as close to an American worker as HRC has ever been

Maybe she can send the BIGDOG back to make this lady happy.

[Apollo11]

27. Esterday doesn't blame Clinton; she says she may even vote for the former first lady.

Something I learned by following the link in the OP.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16099751

Kind of balances the story out, I think.

I bet Hillary will be leaving $20 tips from now on! B-)

[Auntie Bush]

29. Lot's of people don't tip when sitting at the counter....but it would have been a

nice gesture.

[Skip Intro]

31. oh brother - some days I feel like I've stumbled into fr.

sheesh

[MNDemNY]

33. Here campain folks (stupidly) neglected to leave a tip..

That is reason enough for her to be drawn and quartered!! At least. Move on.

[zulchzulu]

34. That's a perfect Clintonian analogy

Bill Clinton felt your pain. He bit his lip for effect. Then he signed NAFTA.

He said we all need to come together and join hands. Then he signed the Defense Of Marriage Act.

We're to believe that during the Clinton years, there was peace and prosperity. Tell that to the millions of dead Iraqis who starved and died while we inflicted the "No Fly Zone" policies that destroyed Iraq's infrastructure.

Hillary Clinton is not different.

She was for the war in Iraq. Now she is against it and assumes we don't know her history.

Mentioning a single mother who was a waitress in a campaign speech is good for some claps. Never mind that the waitress got stiffed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. A Woman Usually Carries Money In Her Purse

Does Hillary even carry a purse when she's campaigning?

That would seem awkward....

[zbdent]

38. A different view on "HRC didn't leave a tip" ...

If she did leave a tip ... the "liberal media" would be saying that she's "buying votes" ...

which is illegal ...

A candidate can't even provide a self-addressed, stamped envelope any more or else they will be hit by the FEC ...

[Skip Intro]

44. great point I'm sure will be ignored by the attack Hillary gang

[mod mom]

47. Surely you jest!

"If she did leave a tip ... the "liberal media" would be saying that she's "buying votes"

Yes, tipping a waitress is so controversial among politicians that all politicians should avoid tipping as not to be confused with buying votes.

:sarcasm:

Guess you've never waited table or knew of folks who did.

[zbdent]

52. Actually, I cleaned tables ... my nieces are waiting tables

and I tip liberally (too well, according to my mother-in-law) ...

But I also remember that Repukes filed FEC complaints on Dems for "buying votes" for as little as a cigarette (in Cleveland, I believe) ...

and don't call me Shirley ...

[rinsd]

100. Any response to this story being bullshit?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3698346

[Moochy]

54. Oh thats grade A funny

:rofl:

[redqueen]

65. That is laughable. (nt)

[oasis]

42. Election 2000: Al Gore's tenant in Tennessee reports that he's a slumlord. Sound familiar?

Who profits from thes b.s. stories? Someone out there is out to get Democrats.

[pansypoo53219]

43. my problem was, even tho the lady DIDN'T feel hillary 'got it'

she may vote for her, and edwards has been yapping about her situation the whole time. where is this lady getting her info??? edwards better start hitting some maid-rites(sp).

[aintitfunny]

45. Unbelievable Staff incompetence

Stunningly clueless.

[jpljr77]

61. Absolutely correct

There was a story during the 2004 campaign about Bush vs. Kerry regarding stopping for "fast food" or real American food or whatever (not the Teresa Heinz-Kerry "what's chili?" story). In it, the writer noted that before Bush got out of his ride, one of his staffers ALWAYS slipped him some cash so that he could pay for his own meal with real American money.

Obviously, not a huge deal, but it portrayed him as more of a "real" American, rather than just another politician, let alone the POTUS.

The Clinton campaign needs an insufferable micro-manager to catch details like that. It's what got the dim-bulb elected twice.

[rinsd]

46. John Kerry cuts in line!

[redqueen]

66. ...

:rofl:

[mopinko]

48. how can this happen???

if it were my campaign, by this point in the process, my staff had better fucking know that we do not go tromping around, pissing on "little people" along the way. then using their story.
maybe that is how they raise them out there in park ridge. but ferchrissakes. how can they not know? where did they get their manners? all of them?

[Nye Bevan]

57. Bad mistake by Hillary

The problem with a screw-up like this is that *everyone* can easily understand it. Issues like social security reform and eliminating the AMT are too complex for many people to bother with, but things like not tipping a waitress or getting a $400 haircut are gaffes that not only look very bad but are very easy to understand.

I'm surprised that an experienced candidate like Hillary would do this. If I was running for office I would make *damn* sure that the waiter/waitress anywhere I stopped would get a *great* tip. Isn't this like politics 101?

[nancyharris]

60. I agree

However, "not tipping" and "$400.00 haircuts" give people a real insight into the character of the candidate because such actions are not part of the heavily scripted appearance each candidate tries to present to the public.

[mwb970]

122. What a difference a day makes, eh?

Now we know that the only "screw-up" or "gaffe" was by NPR and that waitress, rendering your remarks, at best, moot. Don't you know by now not to immediately accept as truth negative stories about Dems in the MSM?

(By the way, a $100 tip on a $157 bill is a *great* tip! Why did you assume Hillary would make such a rookie mistake?)

[Nye Bevan]

125. I was amazed that she would make such a rookie mistake

after two very impressive, gaffe-free NY senatorial campaigns. Now that this has been debunked I am kicking myself for believing the original story.

:blush:

[youthere]

58. Maybe Hillary didn't like her loose-meat sandwich?

:shrug: Can't say I blame her. maid-rites are nasty.

[Debi]

68. WHAT???

Why do you hate Iowa??? :cry:

Maid Rites are our manna, along with Pork Chops on a Stick!

[youthere]

75. Sigh..

I guess I have to renounce my residency...I don't eat pork chops on a stick either...or smoked turkey legs...I stopped eating meat some time ago (but I hated maid-rites before then)

I'M SO ASHAMED!!!!
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Debi]

77. You must live in one of them 'border' counties

:rofl:

Those other states can influence the heartland.

[mod mom]

59. MAYBE if there wasn't FREE TRADE there would be well paying jobs for Americans

so that they didn't have to work multiple low paying jobs to make ends meet. Free trade hurt the middle class by sending manufacturing jobs overseas.

FROM JUST ONE WEEK:



Overall, some 13,000 Chrysler workers will lose their jobs over the next three years.

-snip

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17156105/



Kodak's restructuring could slice 7,000 jobs in 2007 - Network World
02/08/07
As part of a four-year turnaround plan, Eastman Kodak expects to cut 5,000 to 7,000 jobs by the end of 2007 in an effort to reduce its administrative overhead and boost profits from digital photography instead of standard film, the company told ...

http://www.networkworld.com/topics/layoffs.html

Hershey to cut 1,500 jobs as part of shakeup
Candy maker projects that 3-year transformation program will save between $170 million and $190 million a year starting in 2010.
February 15 2007: 9:20 AM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Hershey announced Thursday that it would cut 1,500 jobs as part of a three-year transformation program.

The candy maker said it was reducing the number of its manufacturing locations, and that each remaining factory would produce a higher volume. It said that, at the end of the three-year program, 80 percent of the company's production would be in the U.S. and Canada.

-snip

http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/15/news/companies/hershey/index.htm

These figures for lay offs are not just numbers, but families with mortgages, car payments, and living expenses just like all of us. While the investor class of people are all raving about the economy, many in our middle class keep falling further behind.







Free trade benefits only the wealthy within countries
Some argue the following:

The wealthy own more corporate equity, which increases in value as companies are able to produce at the lowest cost in the world.
As the world's markets merge into a single global market the number of market-leading companies worldwide drops, with international take-overs of local champions by giant corporations. This process concentrates wealth in fewer corporations.
Free trade replaces low-skilled jobs often done by the poor easier than high-skilled jobs. This implication of the Stolper-Samuelson theorem is challenged on the basis that technology makes offshoring high value-added work feasible and more profitable than moving low-skilled jobs.


According to Ravi Batra's book, The Myth of Free Trade, open trade in the US has resulted in replacement of manufacturing jobs for service jobs, which pay less on average. The product trade deficit results in more investment money flowing into the US as a trade-off. This investment money mostly ends up with wealthy investors and owners; and "trickle down" is not sufficient to compensate for the loss of manufacturing jobs and wagers. After all, if a wealthy person receives money from such investments, they may spend some on foreign cars and foreign trips, which is not going to go back into the US economy. According to Batra's research, even though free trade may increase GNP, the increases do not flow to rank-and-file workers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_debate

The National Security Implications of "Free" Trade
All we hear about are the supposed benefits of this corporate written trade policy, even though those benefits are often highly questionable or just plain fabricated. But we never hear about how "free" trade policy is now being used not only to destroy America's job base, but to help arm what could be one of America's most dangerous military competitors (we barely hear it from the "strategic class" of foreign policy elites in D.C., we don't even hear it from the Bush neoncons, who purport to be serious hawks, but whose silence on this issue shows they are hawks only when it doesn't offend their corporate benefactors). That should concern not only the workers who have been displaced by corporate-written trade policies, but every single American who is interested in the long-term security of this country.

-snip
http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/12/national-security-implications-of-free.html

It is time to carefully evaluate the Democratic candidates on this important issue. Where does your candidate of choice stand?

[redqueen]

67. On that subject, did you see this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2227016

[mod mom]

72. I didn't thanks for the link.

:mad: Are the Dems fighting for the people or corporate interest?

[redqueen]

73. Seems like some Dems are indeed working for corporations. (nt)

[Debi]

69. This story reminds me of a trip Howard Dean made to Iowa

He wanted to get a hair cut and we brought him to our barber. The place was full of staff, supporters and press. Dean was on a tight schedule and after the cut had to get on the road. As he was leaving he turned to no one in particular and said "Leave some green on that counter." His staff made sure the barber was paid and tipped. Funny how, in the middle of all the chaos of the day, Dean didn't forget that the person who just gave him his hair cut was doing a job and needed to be paid for it.

I don't blame Senator Clinton for this faux pas, I blame whichever staff member who failed to leave a tip in plain sight so all would know it had been done.

[Carolina]

70. this is reminiscent of

Poppy Bush back in 1992, when he had no clue what a 1/2 gallon of milk cost. Heck, he didn't even know about the scanners at grocery store check-outs. And this proved to be very embarassing and to demonstrate how out of touch he was with all of us "little people," ya know the ones who pay the taxes, the ones who do the fighting and dying in HIS wars...

Anyway, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. HRC's peeps should have handled this. That they did not points out all too well how out of touch many pols are. They have handlers (layers of them) while the most heavy lifting they do is making sure (sometimes) that their lip service is consistent.

BTW, I don't have a dog in this fight because I SUPPORT NO ONE.

[Lerkfish]

71. If I'm comp'ed, I leave a LARGER tip., not no tip.

[5X]

74. As it should be,

from somenone that has worked for tips.

[Evergreen Emerald]

76. NPR--et tu

Get ready. The democrats are going to be vilified by the media. I have not heard story one revisiting Guilani's cross-dressing or divorce announcement on his wife's death bed, or Mitt's dog abuse.


Here we go...and for god's sake, stop regurgitating the right-wing talking points.

[FredScuttle]

78. NPR has flip-flopped (but interestingly not issued a retraction)

Now they're saying HRC did pay for the meal and left a $100 tip.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16099751

what a disgrace...did anyone from NPR think to ask the Clinton campaign for a comment being running this bullshit story?

[rove karl rove]

83. she tipped a hundred dollars?

that seems excessive, sounds like the waitress who made the accusation wasn't even there at the time. She probably heard it from another employee who never saw the tip.

[JaneQPublic]

79. In all fairness, this NPR piece didn't reflect well on Obama, either

After interviewing the waitress that served Sen. Clinton at the Maid-Rite, the NPR reporter then interviewed a woman who questioned Sen. Obama about her brother who had late-stage cancer. She wanted to know what Obama would do for people like him.

Obama stressed the need for universal coverage and said he would write a note to the woman's brother after the Q&A session. The woman told the NPR reporter that Obama didn't write the note.

[murbley40]

82. kick

[jmp]

84. lmmfao! All these years in an ivory tower ...

What more needs to be said? All these years in an ivory tower has left her completely out of touch with the average working American.

[AtomicKitten]

86. Clinton camp damage control is in hyper-overdrive over not a whole hell of a lot -

... probably making the Media Heathers' chatter worse than had they just let it slide.

[Bonhomme Richard]

88. "Still, Esterday doesn't blame Clinton"

She has more sense than some of the people here.
The trolls are laughing their asses off.

[ShortnFiery]

89. Not just limited to The Clinton and Bush Dynasties, our entire Congress consists of Political Elites

who have no f**king idea what it's like to budget and live from paycheck to paycheck. We need to vote out these arrogant politicos and get back to a TRUE Congress who represents PEOPLE before their personal and political greed. NO! Congressman, if you wish to STAY in your cushy office - you serve WE, THE PEOPLE, before the Corporations, now and always. <greedy MFs!>

Vote the Corporate DINOs out of office in their next PRIMARY!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

91. Uhhhh .... sorry to disappoint you .... no actually I'm happy to.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3697482

[ShortnFiery]

93. Sure they did, but they have "not a clue" as to what it's like to be a waitress.

Otherwise they would have compensated these hard working folks AT THE TABLE with small bills - TIPS right then and there.

Yet another example of how SOME elites, to include HRC's Staff have a complete lack of EMPATHY with regard to the "thoughts and concerns" of those who are less fortunate.

Shame on them!

BTW, no worries, RM, you never disappoint me. :-) :hi:

[ronnykmarshall]

94. Nor do you.

It's like sunrise and sunset.

[ShortnFiery]

98. I've worked minimum wage as a waitress in the 70s earning $1.50 per hour.

Yeah, minimum wage back then was a whopping $3.00, but the management figured that we were so cute that we could make up the difference in tips. I don't know how they legally pulled it off, but they did. :(

I PERSONALLY know what it's like to struggle to survive on LESS than Minimum Wage. Further if it wasn't for my father keeping his battlefield commission during WWII, I'd probably be married to a dairy farmer getting up to milk cows at 4AM instead of honorable serving in the Army and later using the Veterans' benefits to earn an advanced degree.

HRC has not ever earned minimum wage. Why? Because those of us who have and have come through the experience with true compassion and empathy for those who struggle, KNOW that seeing a thoughtful and adequate tip on OUR table as soon as our the customer leaves, is OFTEN a beautiful bright spot to an otherwise *thankless job.*

[Lucinda]

97. OMG you dont really believe what you posted do you?

:rofl:

Now Clinton is at fault for leaving a tip "incorrectly"?

[ronnykmarshall]

101. It's doesn't matter.

Hillary could have left a gold bar and our friend would complain.

If Obama had done the same .... well that would be different.

[ShortnFiery]

104. Yes, with my heart and soul. After working long hours, glancing over to observe tips on my tables

helped pull me through the rough spots.

What amuses me is some people's capacity to DEFEND the INDEFENSIBLE. ;)

[itsrobert]

96. I'm not going to the link

Looks like the right wing media is trying to bash her. I bet there was tip and a mix-up and the media got it wrong again.

[ronnykmarshall]

102. WHAT??

Hold it. You've been all over this story trashing Hillary and NOW you're playing all innocent.

Please!

[itsrobert]

103. Huh?

All I mentioned is $100 is a lot of money for a tip. Well, at least to me.

[ronnykmarshall]

105. Oh that's ALL you said?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3697482#3697588

[itsrobert]

107. Takin out of context

I didn't really say that. Now, if I put on a Hillary mask, you might believe me. ;)

[ShortnFiery]

106. And it was given "in lump sum" instead of leaving a tip for the waitress and another

for the Cooks and Bus workers. That's common sense for people who KNOW what it's like to work minimum wage employment. But alas, I doubt HRC's staff could even begin to relate so they just LUMPED it in ... "HERE YA GO you little people! Thanks." :eyes:

[Evergreen Emerald]

109. dang you are reaching

you know it does no democratic candidate any good when people regurgitate lies against our own candidates. And then to suggest that she should have walked around and handed each of them their own tip--and to use that as a reason not to vote for her is ...insane!

[ShortnFiery]

111. No, I surmise that this *situation* does not come up with other candidates

because their staffs understand the operations of restaurants and react accordingly.

That lump sum - "Here ya go" type tip is a hit on her staff. However, if candidates truly wish to reach the average American, they'd be wise to carry extra cash to tip the waitress directly. Not a reach, but common sense. :shrug:

[Evergreen Emerald]

112. oh stop! Really!

this is too much.

[ShortnFiery]

114. Why? I'm being genuine. My life has been blessed but I remember my roots.

Many of us who had to struggle in the beginning, WANT to reward people who are struggling now. I guess it's hard to explain working a mid-shift at a pancake house and watching all the drunks stumble from the bar across the street to get some eats. :eyes: I can say with confidence that the average drunk doesn't tip worth sh*t and I was ecstatic when I was moved to the day shift. It's the little things, ya know? ;)

[Evergreen Emerald]

115. the fact the you are attempting to ridicule a candidate because

she did not divvy up the tip is outrageous.

[DURHAM D]

116. Do you know what a "tip out" is?

Well, obviously you don't are you wouldn't post nonsense about splitting the tip between the wait staff and the support staff.

[ShortnFiery]

117. No, such terminology was not used at the pancake house that I worked in during my youth,

nor do I NOW make a point to flash my ATM Debit card as the only means to pay for every damn thing. :eyes:

[cuke]

119. You forgot to mention how impoverished your youth was

and how you had to walk uphill to work, both ways

[ShortnFiery]

120. Cute. I did not live poor but I was expected to have a job by the time I was 17 y.o.

I was also blessed that my parents helped me through college but I was responsible to pay my way through graduate school.

Yes, I owe a great deal to my parents who rose from enduring The Depression and making it into the middle class. My father, in particular, insisted that each of us three children start working early so that we could appreciate how difficult it is to earn a living. I owe my belated father much because his compassionate heart is what was passed down to me ... in essence, he made me "a true blue democrat" in every populist sense of the term.

BTW thanks for asking cuke, I had no idea that you truly cared. ;)

[cuke]

123. I think you're seriously deluded

For one thing, I've been working since before I was 10, so I'm not sympathetic that you had to start work "early" at 17. In fact, I don't know ANYONE who wasn't working at 17. That you think you are exceptional because of this astounds me.

In addition, what you're saying now seems to directly contradict what you said earlier:

"I PERSONALLY know what it's like to struggle to survive on LESS than Minimum Wage. Further if it wasn't for my father keeping his battlefield commission during WWII, I'd probably be married to a dairy farmer getting up to milk cows at 4AM instead of honorable serving in the Army and later using the Veterans' benefits to earn an advanced degree."

So you "struggled to survive" at 17? Sounds like you were being supported by your compassionate father. And I don't see how your dad's battlefeild commission had any effect on whether or not you joined the army

But then again, I shouldn't expect much sense from someone who thinks it was wrong to leave a 65% tip in bulk

[ShortnFiery]

124. Well, I did mow lawns at 12 y.o. :-) Back at ya! = I think you're seriously deluded

My dad's battlefield commission raised our family to the middle class. Therefore, along with part time work as a nursing assistant/surgical orderly at the local hospital, I was able to attend college and receive an Commission as an officer when I graduated.

I know that there's people who THINK that they did it all themselves, but that's far from the truth.

Yes, it's true that each generation tries to make it better for the next. It proved true in my family.

You really should consider letting-go of all that bitterness, it's quite unbecoming in such an intelligent man. :hi:

[itsrobert]

110. I'm sorry. Usually I don't carry cash and just put it on the Credit Card

I guess I need to be more considerate to workers and tip only in cash.

[ShortnFiery]

113. Honestly, yes, it would be appreciated by waiters and waitresses in less than

first class restaurants, if people would thoughtfully tip in cash.

There have been occasions, such as in a Cracker Barrel, where I have forgotten to carry cash. I know it sounds silly to some, but it's appreciated when I make an effort to inform the waiter/waitress that I was very pleased with their good service but I will put THEIR tip on my credit card.

I know that the above seems trite, but EVERY PENNY counts for minimum wage workers and I don't want the good workers to feel as if I'm being selfish when they don't see a tip on the table. When you are barely surviving, that few dollars on the table underneath the salt and pepper shaker does make one smile and, at times, personally gave me the needed BOOST to make it through my next shift.

[Trajan]

118. What would be the tip for Crow and Humble Pie ?

Seem's a strain of DUer will jump on any wagon and bang a drum .....

Pretty silly how the Haters jump on the swiftboat-bandwagon as soon as they smell a kill ....

A tip was given, and at $100; it was a whopping 63% gratuity .....

Even the most cynical and jaded hater could admit that is one mighty fine tip in the land of corn ....

Don't bother responding ..... Better not to talk with a mouth full of feathers ....

[ShortnFiery]

121. The illustrious "tip" was not delineated as such - therefore, HRC's staff is to blame.

but hell, no one dare say anything negative about people who clearly can't relate to "The Working Class" segment of the population.

Therefore, perhaps those folks in the middle and upper-middle classes who have FORGOTTEN what it's like to see a tip on the table for oneself, will convince "the peasants" to vote Third Way - DLC against their best financial interests? Who knows? The working class republicans voted against their best interests in droves but I'd like to believe that wage-slave democrats are a bit more savvy?

Time will tell. :shrug: