Which candidates support drivers licenses for undocumented aliens?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

Clinton and Edwards have offered "nuanced" support of the idea. Obama said straight up that he favors it.

Dodd is opposed. I would guess Kucinich is in favor. Where are Richardson and Biden?

(I have no problem with the idea if individual states think it serves a necessary law enforcement or orderly governance purpose, so I'm not bashing anyone for their stance. Just clarifying who stands where.)

[Bitwit1234]

1. Seriously......aliens aside.

How can any of the undocumented immigrants get a drivers license. And they would have to dipsy doodle to try.

First you need a birth certificate proving you ARE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN or if not you naturalization papers...
Second you need another form of identification example a social security card.

To have either of the about...you MUST BE an American citizen and second you must be an American citizen....

So this program is a very good way to CATCH ILLEGALS. Don't you think

[cuke]

2. Please stop repeating untruths

You do not need a birth certificate or a SS # to get a DL.

[Lucinda]

3. You do in Tennessee

Anything other than a temp DL requires proof of citizenship (passport, birth cert) or legal permanent residency status AND SS#

[cuke]

4. So you can get a DL in Tennessee w/o a birth certificate or SS#

Just as I said.

And, Tennessee can always change the law/regulation that requires those documents when applying for a permanent DL, just as NY is contemplating

[Lucinda]

8. No. You need SS# and proof of identity for a temp too

just not proof of citizenship.

[cuke]

9. I doubt it requires a SS#

I'd need some documentation to believe that.

[Lucinda]

11. Here ya go

http://www.state.tn.us/safety/driverlicense/requireddocsign.pdf

[cuke]

12. Thanks you

I find that surprising because there are many citizens who do not have a SS #

However, the laws/regulations requiring a SS# can be changed, therefore the argument that giving them DL's is impossible because they need an SS# is still without merit

[Lucinda]

17. Well anything can be changed, in theory, anyway. :)

Actually getting those changes passed might be harder to actually DO given the nature of the debate.

[tammywammy]

5. You need them in Texas too

Unexpired passport, birth certificate AND SS card

[cuke]

10. And again

the regulations could easily be changed to not require those documents. The claim that we can't give them DL's because they don't have certain docs is absurd because the laws/regulations can be changed. In fact *that's* what the debate is about.

[AlCzervik]

7. here is the list of acceptable IDs when applying for a Ca. drivers license.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm#BDLP

Birth date verification and legal presence requirements

The issue of identification reliability, integrity, and confidentiality is of prime concern to all citizens. Eligibility for government services, issuance of various licenses, assessment of taxes, the right to vote, etc., are all determined through evaluations based on identification documents. It is critical that identification documents be authenticated and accurate in identifying each individual. The California driver license and ID card have been declared as primary identification documents in this state by the California legislature.

State law requires every applicant for an original California identification (ID) card and driver license to show verification of birth date and proof of legal presence within the United States to help safeguard the accuracy and integrity of departmental documents.

If your current name no longer matches the name on your birth date/legal presence document, see "True Full Name" and "How to Change Your Name" for more information.

Only the original or a certified copy of one of the following documents is acceptable:

US Birth Certificate
US Certificate or Report of Birth Abroad
Federal Proof of Indian Blood Degree
INS American Indian Card
Birth Certificate or passport issued from a US Territory
US Passport
US Military Identification Cards (Active or reserve duty, dependent, retired member, discharged from service, medical/religious personnel)
Common Access Card (only if designated as Active military or Active Reserve or Active Selected Reserve)
Certificate of Naturalization or Citizenship
Northern Mariana Card
INS US Citizen ID Card
Permanent Resident Card
Temporary Resident Identification Card
Canadian Passport/Birth Certificate
Non-resident Alien Canadian Border Crossing Card
Valid foreign passport with a valid Record of Arrival/Departure (form I-94)
Certification from California Department of Corrections or California Youth Authority
Employment Authorization Card
Permanent Resident Re-entry Permit
Refugee travel document
"Processed for I-551" stamped in a valid foreign passport
Valid I-94 stamped "Refugee," "Parole or Parolee," "Asylee," or Section 207, Section 208, Section 209, Section 212d(2), HP or PIP
Immigration judge's order granting asylum
Certified court order or judgment issued from a court of competent jurisdiction.
Valid I-94 with attached photo stamped "Processed for I-551 temporary evidence of lawful admission for permanent residence"
Notice of Action (I-797 Approved Petition)
Mexican Border Crossing Card with valid I-94

[goodhue]

6. The proposal is to change state law in New York

Presently there is no legal way for undocumented immigrants to get license, but the proposal is to change the law. Presently, they either drive without license or they obtain a license fraudulently.

[Sparkly]

14. In a sense, it's a way of "documenting" them.

It doesn't mean giving them citizenship, or requiring citizenship.

[Buzz Clik]

13. In Indiana, you just about need your mom to vouch for you...

1. Birth certificate.
2. Photo id (can be waived with other chunks of documentation)
3. SSN
4. Proof of residence -- this is usually some sort of bill mailed to your residence with the address still intact.

It's a pain in the ass. Getting a 16-year-old a license requires jumping through hoops of fire.

It's probably easier if you have an agent who'll give you fake documentation for a fee. Hell, it would be easier to hire an agent even if you're a resident.

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That said, who really gives a damn where Hillary or anyone stands on this issue? Maybe the few percent of the population comprising the frothing-at-the-mouth knuckledraggers who "hates dem some Messicans." But who else? It's a nonstarter ... unless you're getting your license for the first time.

[Sparkly]

15. Wasn't Dodd the only one who raised his hand

when asked who's opposed?

So I guess that means all others are in favor -- especially if we're going to look at this as a black/white, up/down, yes/no issue that doesn't require a complicated, oh-so-confusing answer.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

16. Sparkly wins the prize

I think you're right.

[seasat]

18. Richardson supports licenses

He signed a law in NM allowing illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses. He stated that it was a public safety issue since they don't want unqualified drivers on the road. It makes it easier to track undocumented workers if they commit a crime. It also allows them to get automobile insurance. The uninsured rate in NM has dropped from 33% to 11% since this law went into effect.

[conservdem]

19. Biden oopses it.

[gateley]

20. Yes - Biden said "no"" to the question. nt