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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:49 AM
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Andrew Sullivan: "We may have found the bridge to the 21st century....It's name is Obama."
December 2007: Atlantic Monthly
Is Iraq Vietnam? Who really won in 2000? Which side are you on in the culture wars? These questions have divided the Baby Boomers and distorted our politics. One candidate could transcend them.
by Andrew Sullivan
Goodbye to All That



The logic behind the candidacy of Barack Obama is not, in the end, about Barack Obama. It has little to do with his policy proposals, which are very close to his Democratic rivals’ and which, with a few exceptions, exist firmly within the conventions of our politics. It has little to do with Obama’s considerable skills as a conciliator, legislator, or even thinker. It has even less to do with his ideological pedigree or legal background or rhetorical skills. Yes, as the many profiles prove, he has considerable intelligence and not a little guile. But so do others, not least his formidably polished and practiced opponent Senator Hillary Clinton.

Obama, moreover, is no saint. He has flaws and tics: Often tired, sometimes crabby, intermittently solipsistic, he’s a surprisingly uneven campaigner....You can see why many of his friends and admirers have urged him to wait his turn....But he knows, and privately acknowledges, that the fundamental point of his candidacy is that it is happening now. In politics, timing matters. And the most persuasive case for Obama has less to do with him than with the moment he is meeting. The moment has been a long time coming, and it is the result of a confluence of events, from one traumatizing war in Southeast Asia to another in the most fractious country in the Middle East. The legacy is a cultural climate that stultifies our politics and corrupts our discourse.

Obama’s candidacy in this sense is a potentially transformational one. Unlike any of the other candidates, he could take America -— finally -— past the debilitating, self-perpetuating family quarrel of the Baby Boom generation that has long engulfed all of us. So much has happened in America in the past seven years, let alone the past 40, that we can be forgiven for focusing on the present and the immediate future. But it is only when you take several large steps back into the long past that the full logic of an Obama presidency stares directly -— and uncomfortably — at you....

***

...if you sense, as I do, that greater danger lies ahead, and that our divisions and recent history have combined to make the American polity and constitutional order increasingly vulnerable, then the calculus of risk changes. Sometimes, when the world is changing rapidly, the greater risk is caution. Close-up in this election campaign, Obama is unlikely. From a distance, he is necessary. At a time when America’s estrangement from the world risks tipping into dangerous imbalance, when a country at war with lethal enemies is also increasingly at war with itself, when humankind’s spiritual yearnings veer between an excess of certainty and an inability to believe anything at all, and when sectarian and racial divides seem as intractable as ever, a man who is a bridge between these worlds may be indispensable.

We may in fact have finally found that bridge to the 21st century that Bill Clinton told us about. Its name is Obama.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200712/obama
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:55 AM
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1. Good article, thanks!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:56 AM
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2. "we must embrace christ" - b. obama nt
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:51 PM
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8. Really?
He said that?

Jeez....
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:47 PM
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13. context-less....
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:00 PM
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15. Ahhh...
Thanks for the context.

Actually, Obama has a kick ass speech there taking the religious fundamentalists to task. It also seems to be a nice citation for his support of homosexuals. Interesting.

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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:23 PM
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18. so the fuck what...and I'm atheist....
seriously - i could give a shit what people choose to believe or not believe. it's called being free.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:26 PM
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3. That's how I saw him; still do. Jeffrey Toobin, however, thinks Pres. HRC will put him on the SCOTUS
My jaw about hit the floor when I heard Toobin say this on Tavis Smiley while he was there promoting his new book.
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200711/20071102_toobin.html

Toobin: Here's a guy, Barack Obama, in his late forties, so he would serve for a very long time. President of the Harvard Law Review, professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago, someone who is really knowledgeable about the court.
I've spoken to Senator Obama about constitutional law and this is a guy who really still follows the subject and cares deeply about it. Plus, I think the would-be President Clinton would have an incentive to push Obama into a kind of gilded exile on the Supreme Court.
The question is, would Obama take it? I think he would in a second. Do you know the kind of power you have as a Supreme Court Justice? Lifetime tenure, serving for thirty years, being only the 111th person to serve in the history of the United States Supreme Court? I think Obama would take it in a heartbeat and I think he'd be smart to do it too.
Tavis: Well, of course, once she's president, he's no longer a threat.
Toobin: Well, maybe he is and maybe he isn't. You never know. I mean, there are primary challenges. You know, the Clintons have a combustible political history. They rise, they fall. But I think you just have to remember what a good job it is to be on the Supreme Court. Let me tell you another thing. This current Supreme Court is the first time all nine Justices are former Appeals Court judges.
Tavis: Right.
Toobin: The court that decided Brown vs. Board of Education in 1954, Earl Warren's court, not one of the Justices had been a judge before. There have been lots of senators, governors, professors, private lawyers who've been on the Supreme Court. I think it's time not just for racial diversity on the court, but occupational diversity. Why should it be only Appeals Court judges? So I think the fact that Obama is a senator will actually be a benefit to him in his nomination and confirmation to be on the court.

Hekate
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:21 PM
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17. ...
"Pres. HRC ..." :wtf:

Nothing like counting your chickens WAY before they hatch? :crazy: :thumbsdown:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:56 PM
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19. Abbreviations are the soul of subject lines. IF Hill is elected president, THEN she is likely to tap
...Obama for SCOTUS.

All better now? :eyes:

Hekate
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:12 PM
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23. No, I fully understood the abbreviation.
Still ... HRC as President? Mighty over-confident when we haven't even completed The Primaries. ;)
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:51 PM
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25. Not that there's any rampant foaming at the mouth speculation here at DU, though.
....Directed at all and sundry candidates....

Is there? :rofl:

Hekate
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:36 PM
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4. this article was also posted friday night.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:40 PM
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5. i so wanna bareback obama now
thanks andrew.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:51 PM
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26. HA!
LOL! :rofl:
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:41 PM
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6. More crap from the right-wing
blech
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:19 PM
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9. Yeah, Sullivan was a big proponent of the Iraq War, helping
peddle untruths which led us down the road to invasion. So I don't think he should be considered any kind of guiding light in political matters, at least not among Democrats. Recall how he RELUCTANTLY declined to endorse Bush in 2004.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:35 PM
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11. He was also a Global Warming denier
He's had a number of conversions, all of which coincide with his decision to stop supporting *
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:47 PM
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14. Yeah I don't trust him. He seems to be a shill for whoever's paying.
My honest opinion.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 05:49 PM
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22. He went further and (reluctantly) endorsed John Kerry, not just NOT endorsing Bush.
Sully is hot and cold. I think it a mistake to take his words with TOO much credence, but I still read him, especially his coverage of the torture. But he is a conservative, make no mistake about that. It's just that his brand of conservatism, which involves criticizing Bush, is now considered being "on the left" by the authoritarian Right.

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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:42 PM
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7. The guard on that bridge doesn't seem to like gays much
So much for the 21st century.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:40 PM
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12. Sully hates Hillary so naturally he loves her rival. Let's see who he backs after Hill gets the nod.
:think:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:16 PM
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16. Also known as the bridge to nowhere.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:57 PM
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20. Great article.
:thumbsup:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 05:11 PM
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21. Bridge to WRONGSVILLE is the one Sullivan always takes!!
Seriously this guy is ALWAYS WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING!

GWB, Iraq War, global warming, his stock and trade is making grandiose endorsements about the worst people and ideas, then breaking his arm patting himself on the back for "admitting it!" Jesus! People like him and Bill Krystol (sp?) why do they still get paid for their opinions?

Not only that but as a straight gal who left the Catholic Church over its homophobia I wonder how the hell he continues being a "staunch Catholic" while being in a relationship with a guy, etc.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:19 PM
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24. What is he smoking?
Obama is good, but Sullivan is obviously sucking up, and frankly, any time "Sullivan" and "sucking" is in the same sentence, I would worry.
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