If You think you're for Hillary, watch This

[Capn Sunshine]

And please clarify

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggO5yY7RAo

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. YAWN

DSB

[Dawgs]

27. Don't you mean...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. I Mean This

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3675787

[Dawgs]

47. What does that have to do with this video?

Over time, her performance in that debate will start to affect the polls. It's too bad this is the best you could come up with to defend her performance.

[jgraz]

53. In Hillary-land, poll results equal approval from God

Who cares if what you're doing is morally supportable or beneficial for the country? As long as you can keep a plurality of the voters confused (taking into account the margin of error), that's all the validation you need.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. "Over time, her performance in that debate will start to affect the polls."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNzEQ8hG1zA

[Perry Logan]

80. Is that the best they've got? Make way for President Clinton II.

[SaveElmer]

2. Wow...very convincing...

Video clips taken out of context, put together by an opposition campaign...

How could I have been so misguided!!! :sarcasm:

:rofl:

[Dawgs]

32. How were they taken out of context?

:shrug:

[BeyondGeography]

65. The good news is their arguments are falling apart

The bad news is they think it's piling on to point out her inability to answer direct questions.

[Terre]

75. Notice that you got no reply?

The taken out of context is a favorite phrase it seems. We got the same thing over at DailyKos today.

It was ALL in context and in sequential order. Nothing in any of her sentences, before or after the clips, warrant an "out of context remark".

For those in doubt, please do your own research and check the transcript:
http://blog.cleveland.com/pdextra/2007/10/transcript_of_presidential_deb.html

Begin video:

Was it Tim Russert?
Russert's voice

"Why do you have one public position and one private position?"

Was it something we said?
Edward's voice

"Unless I missed something, Senator Clinton said two different things in the course of about two minutes"

Or was it double-talk?

On Iraq
Clinton's voice and picture (split screen)

"I stand for ending the war in Iraq, bringing our troops home."

"We're going to have troops remaining there, guarding our embassy. We may have a continuing training mission, and we may have a mission against al Qaeda in Iraq."

On Social Security
Clinton's voice and picture (split screen)

"But on specific issues I've come out with very specific plans. With respect to Social Security, I do have a plan."

"...but personally, I am not going to be advocating any specific fix until I am seriously approaching fiscal responsibility."

On Immigration
(Russert's voiceover question)

It was a Yes or No question

"Do you, the New York Senator Hillary Clinton, support the New York governor's plan to give illegal immigrants a driver's license?"

(Clinton in 4 screen split with the following statements in order):

"I did not say that it should be done, but I certainly recognize why Governor Spitzer is trying to do it."

SEN. DODD: Wait a minute. No, no, no. You said yes, you thought it made sense to do it. ` SEN. CLINTON: No, I didn't, Chris.

"It makes a lot of sense. What is the governor supposed to do?"

"Do I think this is the best thing for any governor to do? No."

We still don't know the answer.

That's the Politics of Parsing.

[Froward69]

54. kind of like Hillary

Implying Joe Biden was part of the group pointing out her hypocrisy??? when he wasn't.

[LakeSamish706]

3. All I can say is... lol n/t

[Quixote1818]

4. Devistating! Any soft support for Hillary will evaporate after her performance. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. I Hope You Are Being Facetious

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3675787

[Quixote1818]

14. Most people are not paying attention yet

That ad will have major impacts in Iowa an NH where people are tuned in.

[Capn Sunshine]

19. BINGO

All this sturm und drang from the Hillary campaign on DU is meaningless.
I usually don't have time for this, but I'm doing DU a favor, keeping them busy. :)

[LynneSin]

6. Thank you for saving me - Now I'll vote 3rd party because I'm ok with a Repuke President AGAIN

:eyes:

[Capn Sunshine]

50. LOL

How about another candidate that has a chance in the general?

[Catherine Vincent]

7. Republicans love that ad.

Good company you keep.

[Dawgs]

28. See post #27

[Capn Sunshine]

52. Of course they do, they want Hillary in the general because they can beat her.

She's the only one who will bring out the fractured base , many of whom will sit out. Unless SHE is the candidate.

[gateley]

8. I understand her response on Iraq - it was an accurate statement of what

our future there might be. If your candidate said that, you'd probably see that, too.

I also understand the driver's license response. She initially said she didn't think it was the best plan, but certainly understood the Governor's reason for promoting it.

I don't see anything wrong with her responses to either of those questions. Picking them apart isn't productive for anyone.

Now, the Kyl-Lieberman vote is an entirely different issue...

[Basileus Basileon]

OMG HEAVILY-EDITED TWO-SECOND CLIPS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT

We'll teach you to have nuanced positions, HITLERY!

[Dawgs]

33. Well, it sure was convincing to the people I sent it to in my office.

[Capn Sunshine]

55. Add the context. Then it sounds worse.

:rofl:

[Cameron27]

9. The Edwards campaign is reaching new levels

of negative campaigning. A video like this of his past performance vs his present populist 'speechifying' would be devastating.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

21. Well he has

to do something before it's too late. Looks like his campaign is in it's last throes.

[Catherine Vincent]

10. Oh, there ya go.

We got 5 nimrods that recommended this. :eyes:

[Cameron27]

12. This video's on the front page.

[janx]

16. You're right--it is! n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

17. Of course it is.

People recommend threads that are anti-Hillary.

[Dawgs]

30. Aren't these her own words. It sure looks likt it.

[bvar22]

66. Nimrod # 19 checking in.

Devastating compilation.

[ronnykmarshall]

48. Expect more

Because you know "they are trying to save the party and the nation".

Kind of like colon blow.

[Capn Sunshine]

59. Ronny, I never disagree with you

You're a fine Hillary supporter. I don't know if "colon blow" covers it, but there's definitely some blockage here. DU has a lot of clenching posters IMO. :hi:

[Rock_Garden]

63. A Romer Room Do Bee? Miss Virginia, is that you?

:bounce:

[Egnever]

11. Posted by John Edwards?

I don't know if those are actually officially sanctioned campaign posts but if they are john sure has a lot of balls calling Hillary a flip flopper when he shares most of her flip flops.

I don't support Hillary even a little bit but I don't think John has a lot of room to talk either.

[Adelante]

29. So true

And he gets away with this shit. Must be a special kind of teflon.

[Egnever]

38. indeed!

[Lucinda]

35. Yep. I just got an email linking to it on Edwards website

http://johnedwards.com/watch/politics-of-parsing/

Which is unfortunate. And I think it may have cost him my vote.

[Egnever]

41. Well I dont think the video itself is really that unreasonable.

I just find it odd coming from the guy who was right there with her last time arround.

[JTFrog]

82. You mean when she

turn coated on Kerry when Edwards was his VP?

[JTFrog]

81. Was he really going to get

your vote anyway?

What about in the general?

[janx]

13. This thread's going to grow so fast that the board might

explode! :rofl:

[dipsydoodle]

15. #8

lol.

[Rock_Garden]

18. Enjoy it while you can.

:boring:

[Cameron27]

20. I don't know what the hell Edwards thinks he's doing

putting out a video that can and will be used against us in the general if Clinton's the nominee. The same kind of video can be made about him or anyone else running, but I hope the other campaigns have more sense than to use these tactics.

[Dawgs]

31. Are you saying that Republicans couldn't do the same thing?

[Cameron27]

34. I'm saying that John Edwards has handed the GOP

a ready made package to use against us in the general. It won't cost them a dime, and they can honestly say, look at what this guy in her own party says about her.

At least let the MF'ers work for the dirt they're going to throw at us.

[Dawgs]

36. Uh, Hillary hasn't won anything yet.

Maybe you should worry about it when the primary is over.

[Cameron27]

42. It isn't about Hillary Clinton.

Don't you understand that a video like this can be made about anyone in this race, and used against us by the GOP?

[janx]

45. Where were you in 2004?

This is really pretty tame compared to some of the ads the Dems used to attack each other then.

[Cameron27]

46. And that makes this right?

FWIW, the Osama ad against Dean was the lowest tactic I've seen in any primary.

[janx]

51. "Right"? Where did I say that?

It's inevitable.

[Quixote1818]

40. Maybe it's better to know these things ahead of time before we get hit by the Republicans?

Maybe Clinton isn't the right candidate? Ever think of that?

[Cameron27]

43. And this kind of video doesn't have to be about Hillary Clinton

ever think about that?

[Quixote1818]

71. No one else has flubbed up that bad yet. If they have then I am sure Hillary will be the first to

nail them and ten times harder than Edwards did.

[bvar22]

64. It is not Edwards who handed this to the Republicans.

*It is Hillary's refusal to take a clear and consistent stand on any issue that has handed this to the Republicans.

*It is Hillary's politics of Triangulation that has handed this to the Republicans.

*It is Hillary's refusal to answer a direct question with a direct answer that has handed this to the Republicans.

[vssmith]

76. If it doesn't kill you it makes you stronger

[janx]

22. "THEY WANT BILL"

I had a conversation recently with a friend, and I asked her why she thought Senator Clinton was being pushed so hard.

My friend said simply: "They want Bill."

And truthfully, I've seen numerous expressions on this very board about how Bill Clinton will "advise" his wife, etc.

I just don't know if I'm comfortable with that.

[faithfulcitizen]

49. Exactly- My mom just said yesterday, she was voting for Hillary...

because she gets to look at Bill some more! Seriously? Yes! :puke:

[emilyg]

23. Thanks for a good laugh.

[jmp]

24. Clinton vs Clinton ... Absolutely devastating!

John Edwards ... :yourock:

[mmonk]

25. I'm still laughing.

Sorry Clinton people, but that was a humorous ad.

[weeve]

26. But ... but ...

... the polls ... the POLLS !! The Wall Street Journal and ABC and CNN all tell me that it's useless to even question her inevitable nomination ! She's the Big Tent/Many Ideas candidate. With so many differing positions, I'm sure there's ONE in there that I can agree with ?!! Something for everyone ! Anyone ??


Gore #1 ... Edwards #2

[PresidentObama]

37. Why isn't Edwards camp running this in Iowa or NH?

Very effective ad, like Edwards or not.

[rufus dog]

39. She fucked up!

Trying to defend her performance in that debate is asinine, the Iraq occupation response is the only one that can be defended. As a whole, it is a very effective attack add, mainly because it was all the same night, not over time. That being said, she needs to put it behind her, if she doesn't she will have the potential to lose.

[Froward69]

57. exactly thats why she

showed the gender card. did not truly play it. none the less showed it, to get everyone distracted from her dismal performance. and inability to answer questions one way, all the time.

[Skip Intro]

56. Gee, that was fair. Let's chop of some of John's answers. Talk about parsing.

If Edwards can only look good by tearing down his opponents, well, that says a lot, doesn't it?

[LanternWaste]

60. the world is so much easier...

Oh wow! Up to this point, I was basing my choice of candidate on their positions, voting records and platforms. How naive of me to have done.

Now that my vote can be swayed with a youtude video, the world is so much easier, the colors more rich, the scents deeper and the air less smoggy...


Hope that's clear.

[Capn Sunshine]

61. Just a reiteration of what you say you're basing your choice on

Issues, voting records , platforms.

Issues: hey depends who she's talking to.

Voting record: PRO WAR.

Positions :Tell me, after viewing this clip, what ARE Hillary's positions?

So are you pro war? Or for another candidate?

[Skip Intro]

62. Obama talked of taking troops out of Iraq and putting them in Pakistan

Is that still his view/position/plan?

Is that pro-war or anti-war?


Will you apply the same standards to your guy?

[LanternWaste]

68. I've seen the light

"So are you pro war? Or for another candidate?" (False fucking dichotomies are popular these days...)

Can't your read...? I've seen the light. Heavily edited Youtube videos are better than actual research on position and issue statements. I'll be basing all my votes on Youtube videos from now on. Get in line pal... the little dixie cups are almost full.


Just so you'll know-- I have neither decided on nor ruled out any candidates at this point. Which is one of the major reasons you guys give me a laugh-- the kind of laugh that is half pity and half :wtf:

[Capn Sunshine]

70. btw

I've always enjoyed your nom de plume.
:hi:

[MonkeyFunk]

67. I'm not gonna take

integrity lessons from John Edwards.

[Capn Sunshine]

69. why not? He's as good as anyone in this party

Especially in light of Schumer and Feinstein's announcement.

[BootinUp]

72. Oh wow

Like you can't do an ad like that with any politician answering tough questions. If someone is mentally 10 years old I could see how this ad might change their mind.

[jmp]

74. I agree.

Adult already knew that if Hillary's lips are moving, she is lying.

[ozone_man]

73. That's really funny and disturbing at the same time.

And all that material from one debate. Thanks Cap'n.

[Colobo]

77. Beautiful ad.

[BenDavid]

78. You should work for the GOP. You do a great job

editing and damn I thought I was watching the handiwork of bill oreilly and we know how al franken slammed his ass on air about the editing......

I think I know why all you Obama and Edwards folks are so pissed and trying all you can to inject something into their campaign, and it is the polls a few days out from the debate of Tuesday last and HRC's numbers have increased over obama and edwards.....I know that just chaps your asses....

Ben David

[Andromeda]

79. I've seen this thing so many times...

It had no impact on me the first time and now it's just plain boring.:boring: