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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:22 PM
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Average of 5 most recent national polls has Clinton with 28% lead over nearest rival.
RCP Average 10/09 - 10/14 - 48.2 20.4 12.6 3.6 Clinton +27.8


USA Today/Gallup 10/12 - 10/14 500 A 50 21 13 4 Clinton +29.0
CNN 10/12 - 10/14 485 RV 51 21 15 4 Clinton +30.0

Rasmussen 10/11 - 10/14 750 LV 45 22 11 3 Clinton +23.0

American Res. Group 10/09 - 10/12 600 LV 45 20 13 3 Clinton +25.0

FOX News 10/09 - 10/10 377 LV 50 18 11 4 Clinton +32.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

Her lead keeps inching upward a few percentage points every week...
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:30 PM
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1. President Clinton Part II
I'll say it again. Al Gore is the only one who can stop her.

Frankly, I'm starting to get worried that somehow, even he might not be able to overcome her stranglehold.

So....where exactly is all this support for Mrs. Clinton coming from? I think it's all name recognition.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:32 PM
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3. I don't really think he could.
Even his Nobel prize didn't give him a bump in the polls. He's still stuck around 15%.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:32 PM
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4. Personally, I'm certain Gore has no interest in running.
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 05:33 PM by calteacherguy
And if he did (hypothetically) I'm nearly certain he could not defeat Clinton. And I like Gore a lot, but this is not his time either by his choice or by the tide of history (or should I say herstory?)
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:07 PM
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10. I like Gore too, but people need to face the fact that he has no
stomach for campaigning again.It is nearly impossible to manufacture passion

I'm for Hillary now 100%. She will be a fabulous president
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:33 PM
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5. Yeah...Sure it is...
For it to be name recognition her support should not rise, but should either hold steady or fall as the other candidates become more well known...

In fact, as the other candidates become more well known their negatives are rising, and Hillary only increases her lead...

Got another theory?
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:40 PM
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6. What Other Candidates?
Obama? Sorry, no racism intended, but this country is not ready to elect or even nominate an African American for President.

Edwards can't seem to get out of the 3rd place rut, so he's of no use.

And the others? They're forever stuck below 10%, and if anything, they'll drop, as people gravitate towards the top tier candidates, who are the only ones with a decent chance of winning the nomination.

No point in arguing though. Your support of Hillary is clear and obvious, so enjoy her as President. Hope she's what you're looking for, because I still believe it will be much more of the same. Different clothing for the sheep, but still a wolf inside.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:41 PM
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7. But their name recognition is increasing...
Which means people prefer Hillary over the others, it isn't simply a matter of her being the one they recognize...
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:47 PM
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8. Sorry, But You're Wrong
Like I said, I'm not going to change your mind. You have a frickin' avatar of her, so you obviously have your candidate.

But the CLINTON name carries with it instant recognition.

Unless an Obama or an Edwards becomes President, their last names are not going to resonate like the single name CLINTON.

Anyways, I'm not going to be campaigning or throwing my support behind her, even after she wins the nomination. I'm not now, and never will be, a fan of hers, and I won't go out of my way to talk her up and get her elected.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:57 PM
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9. You are ignoring FACT...
Hillary's name recognition has been in the high 90's from the beginning...and Obama and Edwards was lower...so it is plausible that 10 months ago name recognition was a factor...

Since then, both Edwards and Obama's name recognition has climbed to nearly as high as Hillary's...

Yet she increases her lead over them..

The only plausible explanation is that people are choosing Hillary over Edwards and Obama...

I know you don't like that...but it is the truth of the situation as much as you want to deny it...
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:14 PM
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11. I'm Saying There Is No Choice I'm Happy With
I thought that perhaps Edwards stood a chance.

I knew Obama would not. He's just in it for the money and the exposure. Enough people whispered in his ear, that he's popular, so therefore he should run for President. But he was toast from the outset.

Unless my candidate of choice enters, I'm probably going to vote for Edwards in the primary, and perhaps sit out the General Election in November.

I Know, I Know, I must hate the Democratic party, and want a repub to get elected. BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Whatever, I just can't bring myself to vote for someone I don't support or respect, just because she has a "D" beside her name.
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Grandrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:33 PM
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14. You must be kidding? Forgot the sarcasm...right?
knew Obama would not. He's just in it for the money and the exposure. Enough people whispered in his ear, that he's popular, so therefore he should run for President. But he was toast from the outset.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What money? You are so far off the mark! :rofl:
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:20 PM
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15. Did Anybody Seriously Believe He Could Overcome Clinton?
I'm just saying that he was no match for Clinton.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:31 PM
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2. You sure chummed the waters with this one!
:popcorn:
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:08 PM
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12. Hillary has not won even a single vote...
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 08:09 PM by GreenTea
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:49 PM
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13. Thank you for stating the obvious. nt
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:29 PM
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16. hate to pop your balloon but, the polls are not reflecting the reallity.
A bunch of reporters went out canvassing across the country and this is what they found.
Alot of people who are not going to vote at all for Hillary and alot who are supporting others.
She has no on ground support. the polls are simply wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amanda-michel/story-emerges-from-nation_b_68408.html
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:44 PM
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22. anecdotes don't trump
scientific polls, all of which agree that Clinton is far and away the frontrunner.

It's delusional to think that every polling company purposely corrupts the ONE asset they have: accuracy.

And it's beyond delusional to think that the other candidates aren't doing their OWN polling. And if their polling showed the reality was very different from what's being reported, you don't think they'd say something about that?
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:34 AM
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17. Join now or they'll all laugh at your genitals! Be the last on your block!
Quick, get your piercing tatooed; you don't want to be a LOSER, do you? It's not too late to get in on the ground floor of something big!

You know the crowd's always right. The Blair Witch project made a quarter billion dollars overnight, it can't be total crap.

Quick, get the hackey-sack. Where's your backwards baseball cap? For god's sake GET WITH IT!

The beat goes on.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:01 AM
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19. My tatoo is circa 1978.
It's is discreetly located where it rarely sees the light of day. It is nowhere near my genitalia

I rarely go out. I live with my mother. I am far from cool.
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:46 AM
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18. She's doing well. Hasn't faltered and she was supposed to be so "unpopular"
according to some...but she looks more and more presidential each and every day.

Kick and recommend
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:12 AM
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20. Another day, another meaningless poll salvo
I am not impressed with name recognition.
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leftist_not_liberal Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:01 PM
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21. This ain't democracy, it's a coronation
Mark Penn at Work

Mark Penn is chief strategist for the Hillary Clinton campaign. This article explains how Penn uses bogus polling and other dirty tricks to manipulate pubic opinion and "sell" candidates and ideas. He is the man behind the PR campaign that created a false illusion, as far back as January, that Clinton was the "front runner" and had broad support with the public.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=45&ItemID=11471>Coup D'etat in Venezuela: Made in the USA
The U.S.-designed Plan to Overthrow Hugo Chavez in the Days Following the Election
by Chris Carlson

In his article, "Coup D'etat in Disguise," Jonathan Mowat described how these "polls" work: "Penn, Schoen and Berland (PSB) has played a pioneering role in the use of polling operations, especially "exit polls," in facilitating coups. Its primary mission is to shape the perception that the group installed into power in a targeted country has broad popular support. ""...the deployment of polling agencies' "exit polls" broadcast on international television...give the false impression of massive vote-fraud by the ruling party, to put targeted states on the defensive."

That is, the goal is to either get enough support to sway the election in their favor, or, if that isn't possible, to give the impression that the elections were fraudulent and encourage the population to overturn them. The strategy has been so successful in overthrowing regimes, or installing the regimes that the U.S. prefers, that the operation has evolved into a blueprint to be used in countries around the world. Ian Traynor described it in the Guardian in November 2004 as follows:

"he campaign is an American creation, a sophisticated and brilliantly conceived exercise in western branding and mass marketing that, in four countries in four years, has been used to try to salvage rigged elections and topple unsavory regimes...The operation - engineering democracy through the ballot box and civil disobedience - is now so slick that the methods have matured into a template for winning other people's elections"

...

Last week, Mr. Schoen, of Penn, Schoen & Berland, released the findings of his latest survey on the Venezuelan evening news. As expected, Penn's survey showed that Chavez's opposition, Manuel Rosales, was nearly tied in the polls with Chavez. Chavez, it showed, had only 48% support, and his opponent Manuel Rosales had gained significantly up to 42%. This poll is now being reported across all the major Venezuelan media, to a huge audience, showing that Rosales was gaining more and more everyday, and could possibly win. Mr. Schoen added his personal opinion, "The momentum is clearly with Rosales."(10)

With the help of the mainstream media, almost all of which is vehemently opposed to the popular president, these fake polls have reached a wide audience. All the newspapers, the major television channels, and internet news sites report the poll results as if they were true, valid, findings. They don't mention the fact that these findings are not supported by any other polling agency. Again, although the reality is that Rosales has almost no chance of winning in the December elections, much of the population now believes he will. The reality doesn't seem to matter, all that really matters is what the population believes. When their candidate loses by a large margin, it will be a difficult reality to deal with. If the opposition strategy works, it might be possible to produce large protests and even riots.
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