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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:06 AM
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Clinton-50% Obama-21% Edwards 13%
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:08 AM
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1. After the last TWO Presidential Elections
polls don't mean shit ner pies to me.

Fkuc Em !
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:10 AM
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2. Thanks for posting nm
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:16 AM
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3. It's Amazing
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 05:18 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
As Obama and Edwards have stepped up their attacks on her, her numbers have continued to rise. We have seen this same phenomenon during impeachment. The more the Rethuglicans attacked Bill Clinton the higher his approval ratings went...

I see no reason why this phenomenon will not continue through the primaries and general election...
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:36 AM
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4. Loose translation; as long as HRC takes the high road, she'll crush the opposition {nt}
uguu
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:44 AM
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6. I do believe you are on to something.
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Eagle_Eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:44 AM
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5. With the accelerated primary schedules, high poll numbers tell the tale
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 05:44 AM by Eagle_Eye
The candidate with high poll numbers gets the most donations. The primaries are right around the corner, and the person with the most money will have a significant advantage over the competition.

It sure looks to me that Hillary will be the nominee. A Democrat is a shoe-in to be elected this time which will make her our next President.

The handwriting is on the wall, our biggest task now is to pick who the Vice President will be.

We also should refrain from trashing our own Democrat candidates. There is no need to just hand the republicans campaign issues to hammer a damaged Democrat nominee with.

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:47 AM
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10. You mean Republicans dislike Mark Penn too?
Evidence, please.
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Eagle_Eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:17 AM
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23. You lost me with the Mark Penn reference
I fail to see how a hired gun like pollster Mark Penn has much to do with weather republicans like or dislike the polls. Penn does his job of presenting Hillary in the best light. Some republicans don't want Hillary to be the nominee, some republicans swear she will give them (the republicans) the White House.

I put Mark Penn in the same group as used car salesmen, DWI trial lawyers, and Dick Morris. Those folks make the deal that is best for them. Opinions of their abilities depend on which side of the deal a person is involved with.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 04:10 AM
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24. He's a campaign strategist
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/hillarys-rove-comes-th_b_68688.html

Have we just had a taste of how influence might be wielded under a Clinton II Administration? In a very successful week for its most notorious client, Mark Penn's firm was able to get Blackwater CEO Erik Prince several major television appearances. Lob-ball questions were included at no extra charge.

Democrats have waited years for a consultant that can play the media as well as the GOP can. Unfortunately, most of them had hoped it would be for a better cause. And even if this is all coincidence, Mr. Penn's continued leadership of Burson-Marsteller - and the firm's indiscriminate choice of clients - creates a serious perception problem in a time when voters are yearning for change.

It makes sense that 60 Minutes and other news shows would offer Prince prominent spots, and would hit the talking points he and his PR firm want them to hit. After all, Hillary could be the next President of the United States. Who wants to get on the bad side of the man so many are describing as "Hillary's Rove," especially this early in the election season?

The sometimes-formidable Lara Logan offered a soft venue for Prince's unverifiable denials of the mass shooting in Iraq - denials that contradict both eyewitnesses and the United States military. (The State Department and the FBI are stonewalling the military and freezing them out of the investigation - presumably so they can prepare a more politically-influenced report).

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Eagle_Eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 04:32 AM
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25. Mark Penn could probably sell used cars too
If I were the sales manager at an automobile dealership, I would want him working for me.

If I were in the market for a used car, I would not want him showing me around the lot.

Since we absolutely have to have a Democrat in the White house in 2009, we have to have folks like Mark Penn working for our candidates. We cannot afford another four years of republican rule. Let's just hope our hired guns are better than their hired guns.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 04:48 AM
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26. Hillary's hired gun is also working for the other side, unfortunately n/t
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Eagle_Eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 05:36 AM
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27. I want to see a Democrat in the White House in 2009
I will hold my nose over Penn's company representing Blackwater, vote Democrat, and hope for the best.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:50 AM
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11. Sharp eye.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:15 AM
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7. k and r
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:27 AM
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8. "the most enthusiastic backing of any contender in either party."
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 06:34 AM by MGKrebs
Analysis from USA Today (referring to Clinton).

"Meanwhile, the survey found that winning the Nobel Peace Prize apparently doesn't bring a political bounce. While 48% of Democrats say they would like Nobel laureate Al Gore to run for president, that's 8 percentage points lower than in March. When his name is included in the horse race, the former vice president finishes third, behind Clinton and Obama."


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-10-15-poll_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:51 AM
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12. Now, THOSE numbers I don't believe - they're too convenient...MSM hard at work
to convince Gore to stay out...
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:23 AM
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14. I know. It's just not possible that people fall for this crap.
I mean, I've seen good campaigning before, and this ain't it. And I don't believe they really have all that money either. There's some sort of double dipping going on. There's going to be a HUGH!1 scandal after the books are checked. And it looked like there were only about 300-400 people at that John Lewis endorsement. They should be able to round up more people than that in a red state in the middle of the day at the last minute if they had anywhere NEAR the kind of support they are claiming. They should have had AT LEAST 450, probably more like 580. Or more!

If all these poll numbers and fundraising numbers are true, then that means that millions of people are just stupid, and I don't want to have to believe that. And I've been around long enough to know that it's not ME, so the numbers must be wrong.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:23 AM
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13. ""the most enthusiastic backing of any contender in either party."
The Hillary haters will have to find a new meme...However I predict they willkeep repeating the tired, old unproven one...
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:38 AM
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9. As ObamaEdwards go negative, her lead increases.
John, of course, won't notice the connection.
Barack, on the other hand, might learn from this experience.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:04 PM
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15. K&R!
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:06 PM
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16. Why am I not surprised by her high numbers?
Could her message be getting through.

kick and recommend.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:56 PM
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17. Do any of you proud Clinton supporters think that she will...
look at evidence and find no reason for going to war and go ahead and vote yes again? Is this even an issue with you or does war and innocent death for oil mean absolutely nothing to you? Just trying to get a feel for some of the people that will be deciding my children's future, are you people actually insane or did you just forget about 2002 all together? I see these proud poll results recommended all the time and am just curious to how normal folks can look past murder for money? Maybe we can get a draft instituted so that your children can pay the price for your decision since mine will be. Everyone points at Bush and his crooks and doesn't like it that their children aren't in the war but its ok to forgive someone who enabled him with absolutely no evidence?

Will all you Clinton supporters pledge to send your children to war if Clinton continues the war in Iraq and attacks Iran or are you not so sure in your decision for the president of our children?
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:07 PM
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18. Well, since she is soooo inevitable to win
I guess I don't need to bother voting for her in the primary or general here in CA. Sorry, but this post is smug.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:28 PM
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19. LOL
how is a fact "smug"?

The OP just posts a fact and a link. No editorializing.

Damn smug facts.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:32 PM
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20. polling is so wrong. Look for reports of people on the ground.
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 11:34 PM by illinoisprogressive
overwhelming non support for clinton by democrats. they don't want her and cannot understand these polls.
most believe the polls are fake
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:33 PM
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21. All My Friends Love Hillary
So my anecdotal evidence is as good as yours...
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:34 PM
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22. all reports say over 70% of dems are undecided.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 06:12 AM
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28. The only valid polls are the ones about Hillary's "negatives."
All polls showing Hilary kicking butt are, like, bogus. The anti-Hillarites have taught me this.
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