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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:31 PM
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It's unfortunate...
It's Unfortunate
by: Chris Bowers
Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 14:53:35 PM EDT

October 10th:

"It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is abandoning the politics of hope
and embracing the same old attack politics as his support slips here in New Hampshire," said Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand.

October 9th

Mark Daley, a campaign spokesman for Clinton, said there were good reasons why the New York senator voted against some of the measures. For example, at the time, information provided to senators suggested the actions would dramatically boost fuel costs.

"It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is abandoning the politics of hope," Daley said.

October 8th:

Kathleen Strand, a spokeswoman for Clinton's campaign, responded: "It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is abandoning the politics of hope and embracing the same old attack politics as his poll numbers start falling."

August 15th:

Asked for a reaction to Obama's comments, Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson said by e-mail: "It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is turning away from the politics of hope and employing attack politics instead."

It's unfortunate you keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

And if there is something that really is politics as usual, it is using the same line, again and again, no matter the context.

http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1837

David Kurtz has a similar take on it:

From some recent statements put out by the Clinton campaign:

Oct. 11, regarding torture: "It’s unfortunate that Barack Obama is abandoning the politics of hope as his campaign stagnates and is launching false attacks on other Democrats instead."

Oct. 11, regarding Iran: "It's unfortunate that Sen. Obama is abandoning the politics of hope and embracing the same old attack politics as his support stagnates."

Sep. 19, regarding a lobbyist luncheon: ‘‘Increasingly negative attacks against other Democrats aren’t going to end the war, deliver universal healthcare, or turn John Edwards’ flagging campaign around.’’

Working to cultivate the sense of Clinton's inevitability? Nah.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/055754.php

It's unfortunate the Clinton campaign is so fake.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:32 PM
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1. Good catch.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:38 PM
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2. Like I said earlier, Hillary and her spokespeople are short on originality.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:42 PM
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It's time they dropped that line for a while nt
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:42 PM
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3. Here is the Obama campaign's response to It's Unfortunate:
That, in turn, prompted a retort from Obama spokesman Bill Burton, who noted that Clinton began her presidential quest promising a conversation with voters.

``Whatever happened to the politics of 'Let's chat' and 'Let's have a conversation?''' he said. ``Obviously, they find it irritating to answer tough questions on important issues like Iran.''
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:44 PM
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4. He needs to make that comeback shorter and more to the point
Really, all campaigns are "fake". This is basic gameplay. And repetition works, the republicans schooled us in that during the 80's.




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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:54 PM
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5. It's unfortunate Hillary is embracing the campaigning style of Karl Rove.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:56 PM
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6. Ouch! n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:58 PM
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8. Hell, it could Goebbels or Pavlov.
Repetition. Ugh!

Not a big fan of PsyOp politics.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:57 PM
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7. No
Really, if such simple shit as throwing your slogan back in your face with negative inference is over the top dirty tricks, Obama should leave politics immediately.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:00 PM
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9. It's the style of politicking - R-E-P-E-T-I-T-I-O-N.
Goebbels or Pavlov, one evil, one just mundane. But it is conditioned behavior nonetheless. And I think it stinks because it preys on the stupid.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:03 PM
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11. Voters are stupid
This should be tattooed on every liberals head.

The republicans never, ever give them the benefit of intelligence and that is how they have been whipping our ass. Only the worst administration in history, given a second term by those same voters, has begun to even make them start to think.

I wish hope and intelligence and inspiration was enough. It isn't.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:12 PM
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12. "I wish hope and intelligence and inspiration was enough."
Keep hoping, its not healthy to stop. ;)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:13 PM
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13. I have a hard time explaining that to my son.
I wish hope and intelligence and inspiration was enough.

Politics has degenerated into an insidious, particularly virulent social disease, but I'm not convinced encouraging that kind of behavior in our candidates is the only answer.

Rather than getting down in the gutter with the cockroaches as promised by Hillary, I prefer the higher road promised by Obama. I don't think either one has a lock on the exact formula for the win.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:14 PM
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14. Well....
I'm a cynic and the last time I supported the boy scout he got creamed and I felt foolish for thinking there was any other possible outcome, heh.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:17 PM
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15. hey, no worries
I believe if any of us really knew the answer, this process wouldn't seem so much like blind people playing Twister and not in a good way.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:00 PM
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10. I suppose the 'media'...
will get their script soon, and we can look forward to the mantra being repeated as often as the 'Dean scream'.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:20 PM
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16. And in none of those instances was Obama actually attacking Hillary
He was either pointing out differences in their positions/policies or responding to attacks from the Clinton campaign.
As Obama pointed out today, this was just their way of avoiding any criticism of her positions. Just like her laugh is a way of avoiding tough questions, no matter how serious they may be.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:25 PM
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17. It's unfortunate how Clinton gets away with endless trashing, yet can still play the victim so well
She can beat every one of them all at once, but we should love her because she's so put-upon.

It's like all the endless posts on the board recently that accuse anyone who dares to question her as persecuting her and distorting her actions, yet the barbs and sneering from her camp aren't out of line in any way.

Her campaign just reeks of aristocracy: superior, entitled, inevitable and dismissive.
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