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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:26 PM
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From barackobama.com: The Obama Illusion
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 09:12 PM by proud patriot
(edited for copyright and original credit-proud patriot-moderator-democraticunderground)


Paul Street at Zmag.org:
http://www.zmag.org/ZMagSite/Feb2007/streetpr0207.html


long before any formal announcement (I’m writing this in early January), it was obvious that overnight sensation Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) wanted to be the U.S.’s next chief executive. The “charismatic” Obama was campaigning by at least November 2005, less than a year out of the Illinois state legislature. During 2006, Obama gave grave and “realistic” foreign policy speeches and made appearances on the “Tonight Show,” “Meet the Press,” “Late Night With Conan O’Brien,” the covers and/or pages of Time, Men’s Vogue, Marie Claire, Vanity Fair, and Washington Life. He appeared at the early political proving grounds of Iowa and New Hampshire. He reached across political and cultural lines—making a special point of talking to the religious right. He released a self-promotional book (deceptively titled The Audacity of Hope) that screamed presidential ambition beneath false humility and ponderous, power-worshipping prose. He received the praise, money, positive media attention, and public recognition that a serious presidential run requires. His campaign fundraising Midas touch became a factor in the mid-term Congressional elections. The significance of his ambition and ever-rising stature is enhanced by the fact that the Democrats’ presumed frontrunner, Hilary Clinton, is seen by many election experts and brokers as unelectable.

If the Democrats’ candidate in 2008 is Obama, we can be sure that the right-wing Republican noise machine will denounce the nation’s potential first non-white male president as a dangerous “leftist.” The charge will be absurd, something that will hardly stop numerous people on the portside of the narrow U.S. political spectrum from claiming Obama as a fellow “progressive.” Certain to be encouraged by Obama and his handlers, this confusion will reflect the desperation and myopia that shaky thinking and the limited choices of the U.S. electoral system regularly instill in liberals and some squishy near leftists.

So what sorts of policies and values could one expect from an imagined Obama presidency? There is quite a bit already in Obama’s short national career that has to be placed in the “never mind” category if one is to seriously to believe his claim (cautiously advanced in The Audacity of Hope) to be a “progressive” concerned with “social and economic justice” and global peace.

Never Mind

Never mind, for example, that Obama was recently hailed as a “Hamiltonian” believer in “limited government” and “free trade” by Republican New York Times columnist David Brooks, who praises Obama for having “a mentality formed by globalization, not the SDS.” Or that he had to be shamed off the “New Democrat Directory” of the corporate-right Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) by the popular left black Internet magazine Black Commentator (Bruce Dixon, “Obama to Have Name Removed From DLC List,” Black Commentator, June 26, 2003).

Never mind that Obama (consistent with Brooks’s description of him) has lent his support to the aptly named Hamilton Project, formed by corporate-neoliberal Citigroup chair Robert Rubin and “other Wall Street Democrats” to counter populist rebellion against corporatist tendencies within the Democratic Party (David Sirota, “Mr. Obama Goes to Washington,” the Nation, June 26). Or that he lent his politically influential and financially rewarding assistance to neoconservative pro-war Senator Joe Lieberman’s (“D”-CT) struggle against the Democratic antiwar insurgent Ned Lamont. Or that Obama has supported other “mainstream Democrats” fighting antiwar progressives in primary races (see Alexander Cockburn, “Obama’s Game,” the Nation, April 24, 2006). Or that he criticized efforts to enact filibuster proceedings against reactionary Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito.


http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/jamesgrant/ChlG
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:27 PM
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1. What the fuck is this? Honestly.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:29 PM
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2. Basements with no daylight are deadly.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:30 PM
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3. I guess...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:01 PM
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29. i`ve just spent the last half hour googling
the last few posts about obama and may head hurts. black women can only relate to white women. obama is a closet republican...or as hillary is 44 claims he`s playing right into the republican hand book because of all the stupid mistakes he makes and he`s really a nadarite....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:35 PM
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:36 PM
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5. I like wyld, but this is dissapointing. It's terrible crap.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:41 PM
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10. The merit it in for me Katz
is that is represents a line of thought floating around out there that's being voiced. It's the sort of stuff that will by hitting him from all sides if he gets the nomination, so I see merit in understanding what truth in may contain, if any, and what propaganda is in that type of blog post.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:43 PM
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14. I could say the same thing about the crap some people post about Hillary.
But I acknowledge it's for the most part pure garbage. Just hatred-inspired attacks.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:49 PM
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18. But thats exactly my point.
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 09:07 PM by wlucinda
The value is in knowing what people perceive are our candidates attackable points. Doesn't make any of it true...it just points to what needs to be clarified or refuted.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:40 PM
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8. and they go to a rightwing website to do it
How nice!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:42 PM
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11. barackobama.com is a rightwing website?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:53 PM
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21. wouldn't that throw a wrench into things if it were
:)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:56 PM
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24. It is a blog entry from a Paul Street article published by Z magazine
Here is the link to original article:

http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Feb2007/street0207.html
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:57 PM
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26. Obama's site allows opponents to post crap like this.
It's happened before.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:05 PM
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34. They are obviously more tolerant than Hillary supporters
C'est la guerre!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #24
30. Z Magazine is a right wing website?
:shrug:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:08 PM
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37. Whatever they are, the article is crap.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #37
65. let's see, what do Obama supporters ask me... anything in it not true?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:42 PM
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12. It's sad and dissapointing.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. That is funny - I laughed out loud.
You of all people - wow, just wow.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:41 PM
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9. what's the difference, other than in your mind.... ------->
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:49 PM by wyldwolf
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3591091&mesg_id=3591091
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3591260&mesg_id=3591260
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3588024&mesg_id=3588024

...and didn't you do that famous now deleted Hillary witch thread? Uh huh.

Hypocrite.

(on edit: This was in reply to a now deleted reply by illinoisprogressive expressing outrage anyone would dare post a negative story about Obama after her numerous slimy pieces on Clinton)
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:42 PM
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13. Really ?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:38 PM
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6. Thanks for the blog link
off to read the rest...
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:39 PM
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7. You like negative stuff about Obama?
Just asking.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:46 PM
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16. No. I actually just posted above to you why I think there is merit in reading
this sort of blog entry. I'd feel the same if were attacking any of the candidates.
There is great value in that type of post. It can let you see distortions, truth, and out and out lies. No matter who we nom, thats the sort of stuff we are going to see...and I think we should be on top of it.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:48 PM
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17. I can accept your rationale, but I don't think those were the motivations
behind this thread.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:50 PM
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19. You think?
:)
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #7
35. You like negative stuff about Clinton?
:shrug:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:09 PM
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40. see post #9
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #35
42. Neither you nor wyld can't find ONE SINGLE REPLY of mine to those threads.
Why? Because I think they are bullshit. I do what I preach.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:16 PM
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50. that's true. You're not in those threads telling the OP to stop bashing... are you. Why?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:18 PM
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56. I don't touch those threads. I ignore them.
I don't kick them up by posting. I don't even have time for that. I have the time to promote my candidate and defend him from BS posts WITHOUT THE NEED OF ATTACKING HILLARY OR ANY OTHER OF OUR CANDIDATES.

Why can't everyone do that as well?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:51 PM
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20. This internecine warfare...This circular firing squad is going to kill us all...
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:53 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
I am seriously thinking of taking a long sabbatical from this board...

Bash...Bash...Bash...
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:54 PM
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22. You are a good Hillary supporter. I wish others would emulate you.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:57 PM
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25. DSB is not a Hillary supporter AFAIK. She is undecided I think.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. He Tries To Be A Traffic Cop
eom
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:02 PM
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31. And a worthy attempt was made.Good for you!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. But but these are allegedly the people who don't attack.They said so yesterday!
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:56 PM by saracat
they are victims and the smallest group on DU.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:58 PM
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27. really? Who?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:02 PM
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32. Guess.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:05 PM
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33. Levis
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:09 PM
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38. Providing a read is not attacking. Posting a witch IS.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. Posting artcles that attack our candidates IS attacking.
Sorry emily, but this is sad and dissapointing.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Now you know how I feel every night.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. I don't participate on those threads or support them.
I have enough dignity not to give them my approval. Why support wyldwolf of this piece of trash he posted?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #47
53. you felt the need to wag your finger in this thread. Why didn't you in the anti-Hillary ones?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:18 PM
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57. I already answered you.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #43
52. So that makes it right?
There is no way one can justify this post as a response to an attack on Hillary.This thread was a stand alone.This is not "candidate defense" as some have earlier stated is the reason for some Hillary supporters posts.This is just vicious to be vicious.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:19 PM
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58. It seems like it.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #43
68. Ditto. n/t
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #38
46. Did you read this emilyg? It is vicious! You would have a fit if this was said about Hillary!
"Never mind that Obama’s speech scaled new heights of cringing, pseudo-patriotic nausea-inducement by making disturbing “hope” parallels between: “the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs,” “the hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta,” and the “hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him.”


And it gets much worse.This writer isn't posting fadtual reasons not to vote for Obama.He just clearly "hates' him and it is an"opinion piece" and RW no less.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #20
39. How is your positve thread going? I thought that had potential.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #20
48. On that...
You and I might not agree on various issues, but I can tell you are an intelligent person with a gift for political dialogue that doesn't just turn into 4th grade playground pebble throwing.

Take a short break if you need to. But please come back.


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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:08 PM
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36. You wonder why people can't stand Clinton supporters...
This is so myopic and retreaded with pathetic desperation by someone who has used the Obama web site to shill against him that it deserves to be recommended...to prove that some Clinton supporters will stoop to no level to try to forcefeed "endearment" toward an obvious first choice for the RNC to run against.

Keep this behavior up please. It hurts the Clinton campaign. Let me know if you want me to pay you to do this. I have a PayPal account. Contact me. You can make some money.


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #36
44. ha ha! Should I link to some of your anti-Hillary posts, starting with your Sean Hannity one?
Hypocrite!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #44
55. Again, I ask you...
I can pay you. You make the best argument for people to be turned off by the Clinton candidacy.

PM me. I'll set you up.

You post. I pay.

You turn off people to Clinton. I'm happy.

Do it.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #55
70. LOL! Avoiding those posts of yours won't make them go away.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #55
78. Indeed, at this point I have stronger opinions on them than I do on her
and have been told that she doesn't really need their help and can survive their antics.

Hey, if they think they have votes to burn...

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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #55
87. I'm in!
After what has probably been the busiest week of the Obama campaign, it took a real pro to pore through the positive articles and photos, skip over the news of Obama's new energy plan and find something negative at the Obama site to post here.

I'm with you. He/she posts, I'll pay.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #87
112. Look! Two people willing to pay the OP to post! Any more takers? C'mon!
I can't think of a better investment than to have the OP get paid to post. It does all the other candidates well. It's a no-brainer, no pun intended.


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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #44
64. Amen.
I think she was flogging the Sandy Berger story with all her might just a few hours ago - false indignation.

Goodness.

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #36
45. I suggested same thing to the one vile Obama supporter. She certainly did not listen to reason.
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 09:15 PM by emilyg
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #45
60. Vile?
So if someone disagrees with your political view, they are vile?

:crazy:

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. Hey its a step up from the "stupid' they usually use.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #60
71. I don't mind people that disagree. I do mind people who post pictures of a witch. Get it?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #36
49. wyld has taken it upon himself to carry the D_M_C "bash Obama at every turn "baton...
Matter of fact, has anyone seen the two of them in the same room at the same time? :shrug:
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #49
54. Whatever happend to DMC? He hasn't been around in a while. n/t
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #54
59. I'm not sure. Things haven't been the same since he's been gone.
I kind of miss the guy...in a odd masochistic sort of way.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #59
95. Hush!
My migraines have stopped, and I think I figured out why.....
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #49
63. wow! Look at THESE links from jefferson_dem!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #63
69. Good stuff!
Thanks jefferson_dem!

Hey wyldwolf? You don't want me to pay you to post? PM me!

:shrug:


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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #63
75. That's the thread where you accused Obama supporters of issuing death threats against Hillary.
Thanks for the reminder...and for linking to two extra-tasty threads.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #75
89. no I didn't. QUOTE ME.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:16 PM
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51. From barackobama.com? I think not.
:eyes:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:20 PM
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61. unzip the chewbacca suit... let it breathe...
you're overheating in there with the propagandizing.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #61
66. wipe the Preparation H off you mouth... you're talking out of your ...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #66
73. C'mon! You could be making money right now!
OK. So 10 cents a post... how's that.

C'mon! You can make money turning people off to your candidate!

Hey, it's money for more chips or whatever you're stuffing down your piehole... maybe you can move out of mom's house and get your own pad.

I got the cash, PM me with an offer.

You do the best work toward turning people off to Clinton...and for that, I would gladly pay you.

:crazy:

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. C'mon, zulu. Explain the Hannity talking points you use!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #76
104. It's like this, Junior...
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 09:57 PM by zulchzulu
You have such tunnel vision for your candidate that you think that anyone who has issues with your candidate of choice is "using Hannity talking points".

Looking back at that recent David Brooks article about how a lot of Clinton supporters never made it out of college, you certainly fit the bill for someone who probably couldn't even cut it to make it through a junior college.

Take some classes. Get your GED. Your mom will be proud of you.

Also, think about that offer for me to pay you to post here on DU. That could supplement the money for you to finally to learn how to read at a college level...heck, a high school level. And it turns people off to your candidate.

We all win!








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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #104
109. I respect you, zulchzulu.
But this post seems a bit extreme - a PA if I may say so. We're better than this.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #109
116. I've had it with this OP
It may seem a bit extreme, but I honestly am willing to pay the OP to post. The irony of it all is just too much to resist.

There would be some stipulations of course. The nastier and more myopic the post against other candidates, the more money he makes. I see it as a great investment.


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #116
118. with money you earn from Sean Hannity?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #118
121. You're avoiding a money-making opportunity
PM me. Let me guess. You want to be paid in Euros. That can be arranged.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #121
123. No I'm not. Just don't want any Hannity bucks
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #104
114. it's like this, nubie.
You have such tunnel vision for your candidate that you think that you think using Hannity talking points against other candidates is acceptable.

Looking back at that article from the Hannity adviser you posted about Clinton and bin Laden, you certainly fit the bill for someone who probably couldn't even cut it to make it through a junior college.

Take some classes. Get your GED. Move out of your mom's basement.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #114
120. Heh...
I have a place where my parents vacation in the Caribbean whenever they want. They're doing just fine...

As for you, apparently you don't see an opportunity to make some cash.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #120
124. Are you confusing the farmers market you hang out at with the Caribbean?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #124
129. One last comment to you...
You don't know me. You have no clue what I do and where I've been and what I have. You are a Class A asshole. You prove it over and over again.

Later.


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #129
130. I know you well
Not only are you a Class A asshole, your green, inexperience, and naive. You prove it over and over again.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #130
135. Written like a college dropout...
You wrote "your green, inexperience". Perhaps you'll have time to edit and clean it up.

I think you meant "you're green". That's from 6th grade basic English, I believe. It's the possessive pronoun. I know...you were tired in that class. Then there was the "inexperience" problem. Yeah...that's probably meant to say " inexperienced"... past tense or a qualification in a past tense.

I thought I'd give you this mini-reading/writing/comprehension lesson before I tell you to have a good life. Take care of that crack problem.



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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #135
141. LOL! Not only are you naive and inexperienced, you're a spelling nazi!
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 10:35 PM by wyldwolf
Spelling nazis are trying to compensate for a "shortcoming."

I guess I didn't stay on ignore long, huh?

What happened to your sock puppet?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #135
150. I have never seen anyone -
speak to others in such a condescending manner. Labeling others stupid and uneducated suggests that you are projecting your own failings.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #150
151. You're not looking hard enough.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #151
153. Can you show me some examples?
I assume you read all of ZZ's post on this thread - and many other places as well.

I really haven't ever seen anything quite like this on DU.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #153
155. How can you miss the others on this very thread who post stuff like ZZ does all the time?
I assume you've read all of wyldwolf's flamewars that occur on a near daily basis.There's no difference at all between what you're complaining about in ZZ and what Wyldwolf posts here daily.

None.

Maybe you only notice it in people who don't support Hillary. :shrug:

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:50 AM
Response to Reply #155
157. dorkboy has a crush on me
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #157
162. DURHAM D, I give you exhibit A.
Wolf, I thank you for so effectively proving me correct. :thumbsup:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #162
164. did you send me that sweet card yesterday?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #164
166. And Exhibit B from Mr. 23% himself.
Keep going Joey...you make my point more and more.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #166
167. LOL! Flattery will get you nowhere.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #124
132. I guess some people think posting nastygrams on a message board
is more gratifying than doing something positive to promote their candidate.

That's why I'm with Zulu. I'd be happy to pay you to make our candidates look good so I can continue spending my free time registering voters and doing what it takes to get out the vote on January 29th.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #132
133. you just described zulchzulu perfectly
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 10:27 PM by wyldwolf
Or was that yourself... zulu.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:23 PM
Response to Original message
67. how about posting something positive about Hillary instead
something other than a poll, that is.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #67
77. how about going into an anti-Hillary thread and telling them the same thing
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #77
84. If the person who's doing it is a supporter of somebody else, then sure
if they aren't obviously promoting a different candidate, but are just not for Hillary, then that's gonna be harder.

But then, I see positive posts on other candidates, even Biden. I seldom see a Hillary supporter touting her record or the good things about her.

But why throw my suggestion in my face. I'm just trying to help you. It's not about anti-this or that. It's about posting positively about your candidate so as to win more votes FOR her.

Posting against people doesn't really work. ABB didn't work, did it? I'm not going to vote FOR Hillary because of something negative said about Obama. I'd vote for Hillary because of something POSITIVE said about her.

You're capable of it, I've seen you do it. I've liked those threads immensely and said so.

Or did you think that you had so many Hillary votes to burn you don't need to be trying to win any more for her?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #84
91. where have you done it? Those threads are all over DU
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #91
98. You said go and do. I said sure, as in I will, future tense.
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 09:53 PM by LittleClarkie
If I see the same kind of behavior, I will. But the thing is I do see positive things posted by Edwards supporters about things he's doing. Same with Obama and Kucinich. Positive informative Hillary threads, not so much. Mostly I notice polls, and attacks on Obama.

I did tell a Biden supporter to knock off the cheerleading, mind you. "Biden is the best, we need him" and nothing else in the thread ain't winning me over.

Rest assured the negative threads by the other supporters aren't making me want to vote for their guy either.

Mostly what I do, you can't see. I alert on flamebait and insults. Anyone's flamebait. Yours, Obama supporters, Edwards supporters.

What can I say, you make me feel like being verbal when I see one of your threads, because you see, there was a time when I thought you were an intelligent adult who posted interesting threads.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #98
106. shall I link to positive Hillary threads for you?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #106
115. AND... bookmarked. Each and every one. I did understand your point from the other thread, btw
And it has me wondering if I know the real Hillary and not the media creation, just as I didn't know Kerry right away, and I certainly didn't know Gore in 2000. As you said, the debate showed that Kerry wasn't the man many people thought he was. And Gore wasn't the wooden, internet-inventing joke that is "conventional wisdom" either.

I don't see what you see in her.

But then, few people see what I see in Kerry.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #67
79. That's been done and attacked.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #79
92. So? This approach is attacked too, and it won't win you any votes.
Still and all, people are reading even if some people are attacking. I think they'd be more persuaded by positive things about her rather than negative things about her opponents.

ABB didn't work against Bush. ABC won't work against Hillary, so I wouldn't worry about them. Unless they can give me solid things to vote for in their campaigns as well, I'm not voting Edwards, Obama, Biden et al either.

I'm unattached. Come and get me, y'all.

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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:27 PM
Response to Original message
72. Wow - just wow.
Had to take some people off IGNORE just to follow this thread.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #72
74. after they post anti-Hillary threads all day long, they act like their hearts have been ripped out
..with one anti-Obama article. :rofl:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #74
81. I just know I'm not one of "them".
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #74
97. Dude! Come on! PM me! You could be making money!
I just love your talents at turning people off to Clinton with every post you click. Please PM me! You do wonderful work for other candidates. With that kind of talent, you deserve to be paid.



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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #97
100. dude! Come on! Sean Hannity has let you down!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #100
110. Greenbacks! Moolah! Fivers and tens! Drinkin' money! PM me!
I really want to pay you. You do the best work against your preferred candidate.

You know you want it...




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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #110
117. Wait, Hannity is paying you?
Where Zulu gets his talking points:

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #117
147. Where did you get that?
He actually looks kinda cute there. For fuck's sake I don't want to look at Hannity and think "cute"!!! I need one where he looks like a smug asshole.

Hang on... (google, google)



Ahhhh, much better.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #147
165. from the myriad of talking points he posts from Hannity... including that BIG one...
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #165
169. Nah, I meant the picture. Sorry
Geez, he's kinda cute there. Bleck. I don't want to think that.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #74
99. Not much for taking the high road are you?
Hmm?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #99
101. only for so long...
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #101
105. You're more persuasive when you do
Just so you know.

I miss that wyldwolf. He was interesting.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #74
111. I was surprised see that the poster
I refer to as the JACK RUSSELL isn't here.

She runs out from under the couch barking (a few of the words in her post in all caps) at something that she imagined she heard/read.

She harshly bites selected people on the ankle (more of her post in all CAPS) when we don't share/appreciate her world view.

She then jumps on some repeatedly and tries to rip off noses. Many, many angry words strung together that make no sense. (Most of her post in ALL CAPS)

Then she runs and hides under the couch and growls (BECAUSE WE ARE ALL SO STUPID).

Oh well - sure she will show up later.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:33 PM
Response to Original message
80. I have alerted the mods. This is a flame war.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. hey, did you alert on the anti-hillary threads?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #83
85. I haven't even clicked on them, but I'll be glad to alert them
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 09:38 PM by Katzenkavalier
if they are flame wars as well.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #85
88. why not? If you're concerned about the "circular firing squad?"
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. My contribution to the board is to refrain from posting trash about other candidates
and refusing to join those who do. I feel proud of that.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #90
93. ..and calling down threads critical of Obama while those critical of Clinton get a pass from you
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #93
94. A pass??? C'mon wyld, cut the BS!
How come my refusal to attack your candidate or any other candidate and my negative to join those who do is a fucking pass? What the hell is wrong with you tonight, man?

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #94
96. show me in any anti-Clinton thread where you've sang Kumbayah?
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 09:48 PM by wyldwolf
Why are you misrepresenting what I've asked of you?

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #96
102. To post on them is to KICK them. Have you seen
my post calling Hillary supporters my friends when no other Obama supporter has or probably will, apart of saying openly that I'll support Hillary if she wins? What about tonight's thread asking for moderation TO EVERYONE?

C'mon man, I don't know if you get pleasure out of these arguments or what, but this shit ain't cool. You know very well I've only shown your candidate and her supporters here at DU RESPECT. I've respected you all the way, wyld.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #102
107. you're kicking this one.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. I'm done with this man. I still respect you, though.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #83
103. I do. I'm an equal opportunity alerter
flames is flames.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:34 PM
Response to Original message
82. Street is an Edwards supporter
who clearly has it in for Obama. This blog post is just the tip of the iceberg. I don't go to KOS much any more, but I'm guessing Street is a regular.

If he were actually objective, he would write similar articles about ALL of the candidates, however he isn't, so he doesn't.

Thanks for sharing this asshole's rant, though, wyldwolf. I hope the posters bemoaning the 'victimization' of Hillary are paying attention- objectively, of course.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #82
86. so,let me get this straight.., the author is a "progressive" who supports Edwards...
..and is attacking Obama FROM THE LEFT in much the same way people on DU attack Clinton.

Yet, those attacks are just dandy.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #86
119. Amazing, no one has even attemped to defend or rebutt the OP..
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 10:11 PM by Tellurian
Anyone agree or disagree Obama is the spitting example of Hamilton.

Or no one knows who Hamilton is?. clue...Not the blender..

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #119
122. and someone tried to paint a very left wing sources as right wing...
..which is ironic considering Obama supporter's knack for using right wing sources.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #122
134. I saw that..
I've already sent the printer version to the copier..

You must have been working over the summer for a stone mason or something.

You've laid down a very solid foundation here..

Thanks!
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #86
168. Show me where I've excused unfair attacks on ANY candidate
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 11:43 AM by ripple
or called them 'just dandy'.

Street's blathering is far from progressive. He encourages self-victimization of blacks and denies that whites can actually respect black leaders for reasons other than assuaging their own guilt. It's no surprise that he supports Edwards, as Edwards tends to perpetuate the class and race divide, even while saying he wishes to fix it.

Street's 'analysis' of Obama is no more sophisticated or accurate than a lot of the attack rhetoric we see here at DU and it's worth about as much.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #168
171. Show me where I've said you have?
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #171
172. Your broad brush stroke must have clouded my vision. n/t
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #82
139. You know what I think of John Edwards,
so I'm not inclined to take Street's word on anything about Obama, but why on earth isn't someone on this thread debunking what he wrote? If it was a RW smear, I'd understand ignoring it, but if the guy's an Edwards' supporter, just start pumping out the facts and be done with it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #139
143. because alll of it is true. He even quoted David Sirota, a hero around here
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:04 PM
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113. I wonder if this post has changed a single mind here.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:17 PM
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125. It's a car accident where no one called 911
The OP does the Lord's Work at turning off people to Clinton.

I've decided to finally put the OP on Ignore. Again.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:20 PM
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128. yay! I'm on your ignore list!!!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:31 PM
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136. Actually, it's a blessing, isn't it?nm
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:35 PM
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142. Well no, he didn't say anything about an ignore "list"
He's just going to plug his ears whenever you're around and shout "I can't hear you" really loud.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:37 PM
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144. no, he said "put on ignore. again." Sorry. :)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:41 PM
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146. You mean like Pee-Wee Herman?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:32 PM
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137. Well, you can't expect much sympathy for Obama from someone who lives in what David Cross called...
"the whitest fucking place in America".

Obama is just Hillary with a penis and a tan. - Wyldwolf

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1179286&mesg_id=1179539
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:33 PM
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140. Well, then, he should quite like him then
wouldn't you think?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:54 PM
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148. When is Feingold announcing for Obama? Or is that another myth?
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:18 PM
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126. I am going to have to find another picture like the wicked witch to post of Hillary....
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:19 PM
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127. Yes - we know. You just can't help yourself. n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:22 PM
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131. see the one lone post in this thread...
..that was deleted? It was hers.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:40 PM
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145. Thanks for putting up the post in yours...I read it too!
makes you wonder...not one person made a single pathetic attempt to refute the OP.

Just one poster whos constantly playing traffic cop when he's not preaching to the choir...Another, a con man standing on the corner selling God knows what- begging to make it stop...and the rest of the majority carrying pitch-forks and torches...anklebiters!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:26 AM
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161.  Given some of the flamish zingers in this thread...
that's sayin' something.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:33 PM
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138. Never got past JR High School BS...did ya?
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:14 PM
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149. This is pretty funny
You're posting articles basically attacking him from the left. That's your prerogative. Have fun.

What happened? You couldn't find a hit piece by Al From or some other DLC hack?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:31 AM
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152. I doubt anyone zmag would find any mainstream democratic candidate acceptable.
They are pretty far left, and I doubt they have much love for democrats in general.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:39 AM
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154. I think you're probably right,
but I've seen FrenchieCat, Tom Rinaldo and others, wisely use threads worse than this about Wes Clark, as an opportunity to debunk every distortion, and ultimately turn them into an advantage. Kerry's supporters always do the same thing.

This thread has what, 150 posts now, and more then half of them could easily have been used by his supporters to tell us every detail about Obama's progessive record. I like Obama a lot, but I have to assume that I don't come close to knowing his record as well as they do, and I would have welcomed the 'free' information.

Instead it's turned into a flaming, name-calling disaster on both sides, and that's just a waste of everyone's time.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:15 AM
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156. k&r
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:49 AM
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158. There's Great Flame Material In This Thread
eom
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:54 AM
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159. With quotes from DU hero Sirota, among others, what is inaccurate in this piece?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:20 AM
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160. I Mean Between The Participants
You and Zuchulu are cracking me up...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:01 AM
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163. Nothing it seems . If Obama supporters can't debunk it...
I guess it stands as written..

Bookmarked
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:57 PM
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170. Perhaps those Obama supporters who are decrying this piece...
Will analyze for just a second how they feel about this post...accurate or not...and go back to those flooding the front page with crude, inaccurate, and incendiary posts about Hillary and her supporters and show even a fraction of the dismay they are exhibiting here...

until then k&r

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