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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:40 PM
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Clinton, Edwards, and Obama: What are the MAJOR differences in plan/proposal/position on issues?
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 12:40 PM by Sparkly
On major policy issues, I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference between the three candidates of the "top tier." And considering that Congress has a lot to do with shaping what's eventually enacted, I'm not sure finer details much matter.

So please help me out -- what are the MAJOR differences on issues among the three candidates? (Leave the past aside -- I'm referring to their current positions and proposals.) Is there something about their positions on issues that accounts for the staunch pro-one and anti-another feelings seen here?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:47 PM
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1. Clinton cackles, Edwards has too much money, and Obama lacks experience.
Wait a minnit...
"What are the MAJOR differences in plan/proposal/position on issues?"
I have no idea. I only read DU.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:02 PM
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2. Heh.
Sad but true.

Maybe there are so MANY major differences, people don't know where to start.

So how about just the MAIN one? How about any one?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:05 PM
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3. Judgement - Obama is/was/always been against the Iraq war.
Hillary and Edwards pushed it and voted for it.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:06 PM
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4. Current policy positions and proposals...
Anything?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:11 PM
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6. I hear crickets :)
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:11 PM
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5. Obama has always voted with Hillary on Iraq.
Every vote, same vote.
So no difference there, Dawgs.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:46 PM
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8. So. That has nothing to do with what I posted, but I think you already know that.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:52 PM
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9. Doesn't fit with "is/was/always been against the Iraq war", does it?
There's no "judgement" difference between the two on votes they both faced.
Same record, same judgement.
But, I know you already knew that.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:25 PM
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12. Well he's sure showing it by voting to fund it, eh?
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:52 PM
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14. So against it, in fact,
that he's voted the exact same way as noted warmonger Hillary Clinton on every Iraq-related bill and resolution.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:48 PM
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13. or maybe the differences really are that superficial
IMO, there really aren't many substantive differences.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:19 AM
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23. There really aren't a lot of substantive differences
It comes down to who you "like" or who you "can't tolerate" - also, these two: who you can believe and who you think the country will elect. There's maybe a 5% area of play in record or platform, not a whole lot of spread, where you get to pick and choose based on issues. They're your basic Democrats, well within the philosophic range thought of as Democratic, and their platforms reflect their party. Unless you've got a principled objection to something a particular candidate has done or an appreciation for same, or you've found in one of them your political leader, meh, the differences are rather small.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:15 PM
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7. What about 'Corporate Personhood'?
I'd like to know more about the candidates with respect toward 'corporate personhood', their positions on it, what, if anything, they would do about it. Keep as is? Reform? What?
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:07 PM
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10. I think...
Clinton and Edwards both have MANDATORY insurance provisions in their health care plans (on the consumer end) and Obama does not.

On civil unions Obama has stated support for both a federal recognition of civil unions and a requirement for the states to recognize civil unions, but not require churches to preform ceremonies. Edwards has stated support for a state's rights type position. (Not 100% sure of Clinton's plan in this area... she supports them in general, but I haven't seen any specifics.).

They seem nearly identical on Iraq; HOWEVER, Obama did have the judgement to not support and shill for the war in the early going; however, he wasn't exactly a large outspoken critic of it like Wes Clark or Al Gore and one must consider "how we got here" in an equation.



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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:23 PM
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11. Thank you for your answer!
1. mandatory insurance vs. optional
2. fed/state recognition of civil unions vs. state recognition vs. general support

These seem like things that Congress would have something to say about anyway, don't they?

It's hard for me to see how these differences might affect the infighting here.

Other supporters of any of the three, please weigh in! Are these differences correct? Are they make-or-break? Are there others?
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 05:32 PM
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15. For most things, they appear the same... but for Civil Unions...
it is a big difference. It is like the difference for being for or against Roe V Wade.

Remember, removing Roe V Wade doesn't make abortion illegal, it simply leaves the decision to the state. That is basically what Edwards advocated in one of his debates in RE: Civil Unions, while Obama stated that states would have to recognize civil unions.

If this is an important issue for you, it is a huge distinction and leads in two totally different directions.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:23 PM
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16. Is that more an issue for Congress to decide, or the president?
On the larger issue, both support civil unions. How much would their views on state vs. federal recognition impact legislation?
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 03:04 AM
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20. ALL issues are for congress.
There is no issue that the president decides on their own. Every decision is vetted through congress and every decision of congress is vetted through the president.

As for the difference, its very simply Roe V Wade. Roe v Wade states that states CANNOT make laws that restrict abortion for women. Remove Roe V Wade and states have the right to make whatever law they want.

In the type of system Edwards' proposed, states would be allowed to descriminate against people on the basis of their sexual preference.

In the type of system Obama proposed, states would NOT be allowed to descriminate against people on the basis of their sexual preference.

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 07:23 AM
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21. Right. So how much impact would this difference have?
If Congress wanted to go further than Edwards' proposal, is there any doubt he'd approve that?

If Congress did not want to go as far as Obama's proposal, would he veto?
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:35 AM
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24. A lot.
Congress will only go as far as they have to. Edwards, under his own proposal, will not push for full civil rights. Obama would.

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:39 PM
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17. Kick, waiting to read some major differences on the issues
between the top three.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:06 PM
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18. .
:kick:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:19 PM
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19. One more kick before I go to bed.
:kick:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:59 AM
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22. Hard to tell sometimes but people become mesmerized with
meandering political double speak.
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