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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:39 AM
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Senators in favor of Mexican trucking...
...having full access to our highways.

A lot of "R"'s there.

Dorgan Amdt. No. 2797

To prohibit the establishment of a program that allows Mexican truck drivers to operate beyond the commercial zones near the Mexican border.

Nays:

Allard (R-CO)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
DeMint (R-SC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Vitter (R-LA)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00331#top
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:42 AM
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1. Cornyn (Idiot-Texas) is about as big a hypocrite on this one as is possible
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 08:42 AM by Gman
consider how racist he is towards the border in general. Cornyn is making some really huge money on this one from somewhere. It damn sure ain't because he's selflessly sticking up for Mexican truck drivers.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:48 AM
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2. Same with Kyl of AZ
Wonder if the newspapers in AZ will clue Kyl's base in on this one. If so, he be lookin for work soon.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:07 AM
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4. send the vote to them
lets all send this tally and link to the papers there.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:51 AM
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3. And he isn't doing Texas any favors
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 08:51 AM by n2doc
There is a lot of work along the border in transferring loads from Mexican trucks to US ones under the current law. All that will be gone, and all those Texans will be out of work. Hopefully this will be pointed out, repeatedly, in the upcoming election.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:15 AM
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5. Hagel, the elitist bastard from Nebraska going out just the way he acted
while he was in the Senate. A kick in the ass to the American worker.

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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:26 AM
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6. That's exactly why these Repugs and the jerk Lieberman favor the
Mexican trucks coming straight thru. They can eliminate American jobs. War on America's middle class continues. I hope they stop this one in it's tracks.....and that voter's toss this group to the streets....THEY should use their cushy 'jobs' and payoffs.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:52 AM
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7. LIEberman is a traitorous bastard
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 12:45 PM
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8. What did Mexico get out of NAFTA (besides giving US access to its economy)?
For all the concessions they made, which ruined their economy, they got what in return - a promise to allow their truck drivers to come here 10 years later. They had already been driving here until Reagan stopped them in 1982.

So we have a treaty with Mexico, take advantage of their concessions to us, then 10 years later, tell them, "Um, you know, we really can't follow through on that promise that we made, but have a nice day." Rather than the Senate deciding to, I don't know, vote to renegotiate :party: , or withdraw from :toast: , NAFTA, we unilaterally decide that we can't live up to our agreements.

Hear that North Korea, China, Iran? Remember this, when we urge presidents to solve international problems through negotiations and treaties.

If this was a new law or an old law being changed, pass the damn thing unanimously and stick in Bush's ear. But it is part of a treaty with another country and I, for one, think that treaties need to be respected until they are renegotiated or withdrawn from. Yes, I know that George doesn't share my view of treaties, but he is hardly my role model.
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hansberrym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 02:08 PM
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9. NAFTA is not a treaty.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 02:11 PM
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10. canadian truckers have been driving here for a long time.
and now american truckers can drive in mexico.

mexican trucks used to drive through here --
but not now.

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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 02:35 PM
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11. A trust your linguistic ability - let me then call it an agreement
signed with another country that was ratified by the Senate. If that is legally different from a treaty, I stand corrected.

North Korea, China, Iran and others, then, should be sure when they negotiate with us that the final mutually agreeable document is called a treaty, not an agreement. The latter are not worth the paper they are printed on.
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hansberrym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:35 PM
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12. Like you said earlier...
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 11:37 PM by hansberrym
If this was a new law or an old law being changed, pass the damn thing unanimously and stick in Bush's ear. But it is part of a treaty with another country and I, for one, think that treaties need to be respected until they are renegotiated or withdrawn from. Yes, I know that George doesn't share my view of treaties, but he is hardly my role model.



Well since NAFTA is just a law, there is nothing to stop our Congress from voting to change any or all portions of that law with a simple majority vote. (NAFTA is not a treaty as it was never ratified by 2/3 vote of the Senate, and knowing that it was not possible to get a 2/3 vote in the Senate it was pushed through by Bill Clinton as an ordinary law getting a majority in both houses)


So why won't they do it? Because a large majority of Republicans, and evidently more than a few Dems, want it that way.

I would like to see it come to a vote so that we would know who supports NAFTA. For a long time now, many supposed supporters of US labor unions and workers have said that they would not have voted for NAFTA if they knew the whole story.

Well why aren't they undoing their "mistake" ?





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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:30 AM
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17. Good point. I still think we should live up to the agreements that
we sign and approve with other countries until we renegotiate the agreements or withdraw from them. I think it helps with our long term negotiating reputation.

This does seem to be a way around the "fast track" approach to trade deals where Congress has to vote them up or down without making changes. Perhaps the "slow track" response is to approve them, and then later on change the provisions that you couldn't change prior to the original vote. ;)
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:55 AM
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16. You mean besides ...
Mexican exports to the US rising from ~ 40b in 1993 to ~ $200b in 2007?

When NAFTA was approved the US had a small trade surplus with Mexico. This year we will have a trade deficit of ~ $70b.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:40 AM
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13. "Lieberman is a liberal on issues other than the war"--yeah right.
Scum of the earth.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:42 AM
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14. Vitter must think ...
That they will be trucking in Mexican hookers. ;)


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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:50 AM
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15. No, I think it's the diapers. nt
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:26 AM
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19. delete
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 08:30 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
i was momentarily confused
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:15 AM
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18. I'm Surprised
that Voinovich isn't on that list.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:24 AM
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20. I see a lot of senators here...
who need their asses voted out of office.
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