Online petition complaining to DNC about primaries/was on Fox News

[DebJ]

If you are not happy with Terry McAuliffe and the DNC, PLEASE
sign the online petition at:

hhhp://www.petitiononline.com/dnc/petition.html

This is a complaint basically stating that HEY the ENTIRE country gets to vote, and you do not have the right to do as you have done, DNC, and we want the opportunity to voice our complaints formally.

Fox News picked this petition up. As a result of that, I guess, the site is currently running very slowly as people rush to sign it.

[wyldwolf]

1. Lovely. Let's put forth an ununified front for FOX viewers

[Name removed]

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[wyldwolf]

17. On the contrary, DebJ. I don't expect you to do anything

I do know that, aside from the shortened nature of this primary season, this election cycle has been run just like any other.

A handful of political newbies are getting their first taste of their guy losing and they want to blame everyone except the candidate.

[DebJ]

20. 'just like any other' just ain't good enough. Gotta change

[wyldwolf]

22. Nah. I think some people are upset the primaries didn't go their way...

...

[DebJ]

26. I absolutely hate the setup where Iowa and NH , very small, easily

manipulated, have historically pulled so much weight. I hate it. I want it changed. Not just because of my candidate this time, but for all the primaries to come for all time to come.

[wyldwolf]

27. If your candidate had won, you would not care about this

[DebJ]

29. That's not true. I have always disliked the attention given to Iowa and

New Hampshire, although this is the first time I felt this strongly about a candidate during the primary season. (Because it is the first time I have had the luxury of time to spend investigating candidates)
You obviously believe that you are either a)omniscient or b) a mind reader, but you are not. This system needs to be changed.

[wyldwolf]

30. ok. sure.

[DebJ]

33. A woman just called in on CNN from Florida and says she feels like

she has now been disenfranchised twice. She said I guess my vote just doesn't count. Bob Dole says,basically, guess not.

This is why we need all primaries on the same day. Dole said that would be too expensive and would put too much favor on wealthy candidates (gee, like Kerry???). But if advertising for political office is made illegal, and all info is given over national networks just in the words of the candidates themselves....OUR air time, FREE air time, then what of expense, huh? And fairness, and who will feel disenfranchised??? And who can manipulate a mere two small states for their own game? And how can McAuliffe or his subsequent replacements come out and say we are manipulating the primaries on purpose?

[tkmorris]

44. Horsehockey

I've been involved in quite a few primaries by now and I have NEVER had my vote in the primary mean a thing. This is across 3 different states btw. I have never liked it and I never will. Don't make assuptions.

[adadem]

47. moved

[edzontar]

2. Despite the Fox connection.

I have signed it.

[janx]

16. There is no Fox connection.

They only found out about it and "reported" it.

I signed it too, early this afternoon.

[revcarol]

3. Did they get my name right?

McAuliffe and Richardson have pissed me off royally.

[janx]

14. HA! Good for you.

;-)

[Momof1]

5. Sign anything from Fox News..... I'll pass

Yes I believe it is unfair what they are doing, but I won't sign anything advertised on Fox, unless it was to pull there freaking license to broadcast

[DebJ]

10. This petition was not started by anyone at Fox.....

[janx]

15. Fox reported on it. They didn't create it, believe me. n/t

[feistydem]

6. Let me get this straight...

You are pushing a petition to the DNC featured on the conservative Fox News?

That's interesting.

I'm not a Terry McAuliffe fan either, but this truncated primary schedule is the least of his offenses. He may have actually done something right here.

BTW: In case you are a Dean supporter, Howard Dean liked the shortened primary/caucus cycle just fine when he was leading in the polls before the votes were cast. Now he and his supporters aren't so thrilled with it.

The grass is always greener...

[DebJ]

9. I want a REALLY short schedule: all primaries on the same day. I'm

sick of the huge weight of the first few primaries.

[wyldwolf]

18. "sick of the huge weight of the first few primaries" ... because...

...your guy lost.

It happens. That is why we vote.

I was a big Clark supporter but I don't blame the DNC or the media for him dropping out.

[Forkboy]

38. My candidate is still in

and I hate the setup as well.Your repeated assumption that this is just sour grapes is unfair.

[wyldwolf]

45. The original poster, as well as the person who started the petition,

...were/are Dean supporters. DU has had several Dean supporters who have admitted being new to the political process complaining about the primary season.

Sour grapes pure and simple. They were gleeful when Dean was leading. Now he's not so they want to change the rules.

[Donna Zen]

7. Signed

With a smile!

[DebJ]

8. The petition isNOT NOT FROM Fox; it was started by a regular dem

deomcratic voter. Fox simply put its existence onto the TV airwaves.

[NNN0LHI]

19. " it was started by a regular dem" How do you know that for sure?

Just curious.

Don

[DebJ]

21. because I've chatted with the guy online before in another forum

[NNN0LHI]

24. And because you chatted with him on line that proves he is a Dem?

OK. You are chatting with me right now. How do you know I am a Dem?

Don

[NNN0LHI]

28. <insert the sound of chirping crickets in this space> n/t

[F.Gordon]

23. "a regular dem"???

The current primary campaign for the Democratic nomination has shown that the establishment - whether it be the corporate media, the Democratic party, or the Bush administration - is doing all it can to deny or distort our voices.

http://www.our-voices.net/

Yea. Sure. Whatever. "Regular Dems" lump the media, the Democratic Party, and the Bush* administration all together in this "evil plot" to get Dean.

[DebJ]

25. nope. To get the American public; to get the power that is rightfully

ours to use as they see fit for their own purposes. They are just doing what our Founding Fathers expected would happen one day.

[SWPAdem]

11. Forget the petition

Call the DNC directly and ask to Terry Mac. I did. Of course, I had to leave a message on his voice mail, but I let him know just how unhappy this supporter is. Wes Clark is not even going to be on the PA ballot, and we have the old lever machines in this precinct, so I won't be able to write him in. A lot of us have been cheated out of being able to vote for our candidate...but, hell, you already know that. Call. You'll feel better.

202 863 8000

[DebJ]

12. Yes I called him also. But I want him to get an enormous list from

thousands of people and I want news air time and I want change in this party.

[Tinoire]

13. I signed it earlier. Gave the DNC a piece of my mind.

No mods over there. Didn't have to hold a thing back ;)

Ahhhhhh, that felt good!

[madfloridian]

31. This poll was started by a Dean Blogger, but for all. NOT Fox.

Fox just happened to mention it. I am on the mailing list with him, and it is for real. There is more research being done apparently about comments,events, roles, etc. This is all I know for now. His name is Charlie Grapski.

He asked for it to be shared with supporters of other candidates who might feel their candidate might deserve more time in the race.

[wyldwolf]

32. of course it was started by a Dean blogger...

[NNN0LHI]

34. Well that proves that. I think? n/t

[madfloridian]

35. I posted it about noon today. I thought everyone knew who did it.

There is another thread on this. I think I said it was for those who wanted their candidate to go on.

There is no "go figure" about it. It is about all the candidates.

You do not have to sign it, or even read it. If you don't want to sign, just don't.

[DebJ]

36. bump

[Hekate]

37. Petition on Line is a service unconnected with Fox

Several organizations I'm involved with have used them. The first time Dubya was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize I signed a petition to the Nobel Committee that was handled by Petition on Line. I forget who originated the petition; it was passed along by a friend. Anyhow, I suppress my e-mail and other address, and haven't had any repercussions.

I signed this one, for sure. There are some pithy comments from our people! Those bozos need to hear from us loud and clear. Howard Dean is still almost the only Democrat who gets just why so many of us are hopping mad at our own party. I'd quit if we had a viable third party; as it is I'm sticking around to try to get Bush out.

Hekate

[madfloridian]

39. That petition has grown from under 300 this morning to 1147 now.

That is amazing. I think it would be higher, but it timed out a lot.

[tobius]

40. Sign a petition based on if you agree with the contents

vote for a candidate based on your criteria, not whether you can stand their supporters on a forum.

<sarcasm> sigh

Someone's boring me. I think it's me.
Dylan Thomas (1914 - 1953), in Rayner Heppenstall, Four Absentees (1960)

[madfloridian]

41. That was an odd statement.

I signed it because I want my vote to count. I want the opportunity on March 9 to vote for Dean. I probably won't get that chance.

[tobius]

42. I was responding to all the people

questioning the source of the petition. There were too many to reply to, so I just wanted my response to be after them. I agree with the petition and would sign it based on its contents.

[Seldona]

43. Signed.

COuldn't believe it myself.

[DebJ]

46. 400 signatures added since I checked yesterday....thanks to all who

signed this. We need to assert more of our own influence in this process.

[adadem]

48. Carl Levin of MI tried to get a change

in the scheduling of primaries and caucuses by getting MI, at least, into the early selection process. He was "shot down" over his stance.

"Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) and DNC Member Debbie Dingell sent letters to eight Democrats who have declared as candidates urging them not to boycott states which challenge New Hampshire and Iowa's lead-off position in the delegate selection process".

Dean supporters can view his letter to HD here:
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/states/mi022703ltr.html

U.S. Senator Carl Levin has been one of the most vocal critics of the special first status granted Iowa and New Hampshire, arguing that it "unfairly and disproportionately" advantages those states to the detriment of others. Under his leadership, Michigan Democrats made a push to hold their primary ahead of New Hampshire in the 2000 cycle but eventually backed off and held caucuses on March 11, 2000. In 2003 Michigan Democrats again considered holding their delegate selection process outside the DNC sanctioned window (Feb. 27, 2003 letter). Ultimately, under a compromise worked out with DNC chair Terry McAuliffe, Michigan Democrats agreed to the February 7 date; in exchange, the DNC will later form a commission that will examine the primary schedule and present a report by the end of 2005.
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/states/mi.htm

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. signed.

Not that our corrupt government will give a shit, mind you. :(

[rhite5]

50. The Freepers have begun to take over the petition.

(sigh)

[DebJ]

51. 1514 signatures now....doubled again! Thanks.