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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:30 PM
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We Know
Every morning, I turn on my computer and peruse the various websites Ive come to rely on for the news the real news that is, the items the MSM will never discuss, the stories that our countrys newspapers will never print, the details that inevitably wind up being spun into oblivion or relegated to the back pages in hopes that no one will notice them.

And every morning, I anticipate that BIG story finally hitting the airwaves: "Oh, my God, they KNOW! the they being we, the People; the know being our awareness of the facts that this administration, and the complicit mainstream media, try so desperately to keep hidden from sight.

Perhaps its simply the age of people like Cheney, who still think a contradictory statement can be explained away by blaming Jimmy Olsen, an overly-eager cub reporter who simply got it wrong not realizing that their every word is recorded for posterity through a series of tubes(!), where they can be accessed, compared, and analyzed within seconds.

Or perhaps it is simply wishful thinking on the part of an administration that has placed too much hope in hype, too much sell in spin, too much misplaced belief in their ability to portray the unbelievable as reality.

The surge is working, the soldiers are committed and content, the economy is booming, the nations infrastructure will last a million years, the outsourcing of American jobs is a giant leap in the right direction, the national debt is of no consequence, the War on Terror is being won, God is in his heaven and all is right with the world or so we are told by a so-called president, confirmed by a more-than-pliable media controlled by corporations who are more than aware of which side of their bread is the buttered side.

But the truth is out there, and its a truth no one scarfing down that buttered bread wants to acknowledge, no less accept. The truth is: WE KNOW.

WE KNOW that the Surge is just a new label for Stay the Course, and that establishing democracy in the Middle East is a cover story for grab the oil.

WE KNOW that when our soldiers come back from Iraq in caskets that cant be photographed, its not a matter of family privacy, but a matter of dont think about the price youre paying for what a handful of idiotic neocons foresaw as money in the bank their own bank.

WE KNOW that soldiers exhausted, over-extended and underpaid sent into combat without proper equipment does not equate to Supporting the Troops.

WE KNOW that no matter how many times the so-called news programs trot out the likes of Billy Kristol to get his take on what our next military move should be, he hasnt gotten one thing right since day one - and yet his advice is still sought and relied upon.

WE KNOW that the latest Osama Bin Laden film production will always make its media debut when support for the war in Iraq has dropped another few percentage points in the latest poll.

WE KNOW that the Republicans will throw one of their own under an oncoming bus if it serves as a distraction from something even more nefarious than a man in a public restroom hopeful of a sexual tryst.

WE KNOW that Saddam had no WMDs and that this administration was fully aware of the fact along with totally debunked facts about yellowcake from Niger, chemical-laden drones that could strike within the US, and links between Iraq and al Qeada.

WE KNOW that the official account of what happened on 9/11 doesnt hold water, and that this administration did everything in its power to avoid any serious inquiry into the events of that day.

WE KNOW that executive privilege is just another way of saying weve got plenty to hide.

WE KNOW that Valerie Plame wasnt outted by accident, that Jessica Lynch didnt go down fightin only to be rescued by the guns-a-blazin US Cavalry, that Pat Tillman didnt die as the all-American poster-boy for war this administration hoped he would be.

WE KNOW about the Downing Street memo, the Abramoff emails, the Jeff Gannon sleepovers, the sanction of torture, the renditions, the Black Sites, the swiftboating of the truth-tellers, the marginalization of the truth-seekers, the redactions, the contradictions, the unofficial corrections of the official record, the last-minute remembrances of the official liars, the suddenly found Jesus exuberance of those caught-in-the-act, the suddenly remembered non-memory of those caught in the web of their own non-truths; the sex, lies and videotape that expose the fallacies of an entire administration and the party that supports it.

WE KNOW.

WE KNOW ALL OF IT.

When are we going to stop playing this game of pretending that no one KNOWS the truth; this charade of Fearless Leader, Contented Troops, Happy-Go-Lucky Public and Destined-for-Glory World Power?

When are we going to end this look-the-other-way, pretend-it-never-happened, swallow-the-talking-points, dont-ask-dont-tell-the-truth, act-like-its-all-okay coverage of events that only happened in the minds of those who have an agenda to follow, and a few million tons of snake-oil to sell?

WE KNOW.

And once you get that fact embedded into your buy-our-crap, support-our-sponsors, spend-your-money, ignore-the-facts-in-front-of-you, all-but-empty talking heads, we might might be on our way to putting a once-great country back together again, before its too late.


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:40 PM
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1. We know you bastards! We know!
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:28 PM
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52. We know...
Bush and Cheney are traitors and war criminals. Actum non
Verbum.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:44 PM
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2. Promised DeepModemMom I wouldn't cuss in subject lines
So I'll use the body of my response to say:

Holy fuck, that was brilliant.

This'll be all over the tubes in a few days, and a lot of people will be inspired. Better still, a lot of politically-challenged Bush dead-enders, suiciders and Constitution-haters in the shallow end of the internets will be froth-at-the-mouth, ad-hominem, knee-jerk, Gollum-on-STP-with-a-side-order-of-xenophobia, crazily-chewing-their-tails-off-until-their-asses-are-rubbed-red ultramegapissed.

I'm looking forward to that.

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 11:34 PM
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7. Thanks for reminding me ...
... I forgot to give a shout-out to those in the shallow end of the pool:

:hi: from TCBWIA3!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:39 PM
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33. So how do I recommend a DUzy?
Oh wait. :hippie: Heh.

That was brilliant!
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:45 PM
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3. Thank you
When I talk to people it's amazing how they are saying the exact same things that we are complaining about online. but these are not political or internet junkies, just regular folk. So thanks for that incredibly well written post. I desperately hope that someday soon our government truly represents the best of America .
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:48 PM
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4. k n r
'And every morning, I anticipate that BIG story finally hitting the airwaves: "Oh, my God, they KNOW!'

So do I. Every morning.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:49 PM
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5. My dear Nance...
Yes, we sure as hell know....

For all the good it's done us, so far, anyhow...

I am feeling very cynical tonight, so please forgive me...

You have the clear-eyed vision of a very wise woman!

Thank you for not losing that vision...

We need you, and will most likely continue to need you, writing with this clarity for many years to come, no matter who wins in '08...

Blessings on you...

K&R, of course...

:patriot:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:57 PM
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6. we know is right....
Information is power.
excerpts from the book
War Made Easy
How presidents and pundits keep spinning us to death
by Norman Solomon
John Wiley and Sons, 2005, pape
p39
On April 25, 1972, the White House taping recorded this noontime dialogue among President Nixon, White House press secretary Ron Ziegler, and Henry Kissinger
President: "How many did we kill in Laos?"
Ziegler: "Maybe ten thousand-fifteen?"
Kissinger: "In the Laotian thing, we killed about ten, fifteen. . .
President: "See, the attack in the North that we have in mind... power plants, whatever's left-POL , the docks .... And I still think we ought to take the dikes out now. Will that drown people?"
Kissinger: "About two hundred thousand people."
President: "No, no, no... I'd rather use the nuclear bomb. Have ' you got that, Henry?"
Kissinger: "That, I think, would just be too much."
President: "The nuclear bomb, does that bother you? ... I just want you to think big, Henry, for Christsakes."

Nine days later, while conferring with Kissinger, Al Haig, and John Connally, the president said:
"I'll see that the United States does not lose. I'm putting it quite bluntly. I'll be quite precise. South Vietnam may lose. But the United States cannot lose. Which means, basically, I have made the decision. Whatever happens to South Vietnam, we are going to cream North Vietnam .... For once, we've got to use the maximum power of this country ... against this shit-ass little country: to win the war...
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Norman_Solomon/War_Ma...

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/MLKapr67.html
"Beyond Vietnam"
4 April 1967
New York City
Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movement, and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance. For we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us.





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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 11:49 PM
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8. The Congressional Dems need to figure this out as well
I just got another fundraising letter asking me to help the poor little DCCC in their heroic fight against the Big Bad W and his huffing and puffing.

I sent them 2 pennies in their postage-paid envelope, along with a piece of my mind.



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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 11:58 PM
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9. I just LOVE that tactic ...
Maybe if they get enough 'pieces' of other people's minds, they'll figure out how to develop a functioning mind of their own.

As for the two-cent contribution, I think you might have been overly generous.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:44 AM
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10. By god, Nance, I think it's too much like
a family needing to acknowledge that one of its members is a molester, or forger, or abuser, or embezzler.

It's the last thing a family wants to confront and acknowledge.

And they've used that, and made the most of it.


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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:12 AM
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11. K&R for a brilliant rant. n/t
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:41 AM
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12. If it wasn't for the internet, I wouldn't know jack!
Thank you, Nance!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:10 AM
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13. "Hey, I Got My Grand Kids To Pay For my RV. What Do I ...
.
care about what you 'know?'

"Grab it now" before the people run us out on a rail is a good strategy. Does it matter what kind of disaster I leave behind when I am sitting on a far away beach sipping a margarita and the people are suffering? If they were not meant to be sheared, why were they made sheep?

The system is gamed by the best liars the world has ever known. The people will have to work very hard at trying to fix the messes. Yours is a good start at getting the people moving.

Rock it NanceGreggs, rock it.
.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:16 AM
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14. The sad part is, people just really, honestly, dont care
Even voting Americans are so brainwashed by now. Let's put this into context: When you can convince a majority of Americans that a draft-dodging coke addict is a stronger leader than a decorated vietnam vet, you know you have a problem.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:14 AM
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15. I agree, except on 9/11. The "official story" makes far more sense than the conspiracy theories.
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 06:21 AM by Perry Logan
Despite the complaints of conspiracy folks, I have yet to hear an alternate scenario of 9/11 that makes half as much sense as the "official story."

The administration's unwillingness to allow a decent investigation proves nothing. This is, after all, the most secretive and deceptive administration in U.S. history. They probably wouldn't cooperate in an investigation of anything.

If the Bushies had been behind 9/11, the much-maligned 9/11 Commission Report would not have been so shoddy. After all, if you're doing a "whitewash," you want it to look very thorough, giving soothing answers to all questions. Otherwise, the whitewash doesn't work.
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GMFORD Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:11 AM
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25. It's not either official story or alternate scenario.
Liars rule of thumb - when telling a lie, stick to the truth as much as possible only lying where necessary.

Something about 9/11 is not kosher - that doesn't mean the entire official story is fabricated. BushCo has something to
hide with regard to this.

For example, it's pretty obvious they knew about bin Laden's plans in advance and ignored warnings. Yet while BushCo
admits to the warnings, they claim they were more in the line of 'historical background'. It's the partial lie, see?
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:35 AM
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29. Well, it was either a setup or it was horribly mismanaged!
Conspiracy theories are going to thrive in an atmosphere when something smells this bad.

Every aspect of this incident was questionable from Bush's slow reaction, to late reaction

from airforce defense, to whisking the family of the accused out of the country. On and on

the evidence swallows the innocent ignorance line of the * administration. The whitewash is

working, and has worked for 6 years now. The sloppy story has held because of withheld

evidence,fear to reproach a "wartime" president, and the stronghold of the media by the

interests behind the controlling powers.

You cannot give this group another pass. They will use it to steal your shirt.

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:51 PM
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48. I don't want to get into a full-blown discussion ...
... about the events of 9/11, especially all of the contradictory aspects to the "official story".

But let me say one thing, and leave it at that:

The attacks of 9/11 were, we are to believe, A CRIME perpetrated by "terrorists" on the American people.

And yet, the World Trade Centre was never treated as, nor secured as, a crime scene - which it should have been, had any real investigation been planned. Debris started being cleared right away; steel was sold as scrap and shipped out immediately.

Imagine any other administration being in power on that day. Heads would have rolled; all kinds of people within the gov't would have been called on the carpet to explain their actions, or lack thereof. The president (had it NOT been Bush) would have demanded reports on his desk IMMEDIATELY as to what happened, what went wrong, what could have been done differently to avoid such a catastrophe, what security could be tightened in future, etc.

This administration had to be SHAMED into action by the 9/11 widows and other interested parties, and then they dragged their feet at every turn. Bush and Cheney only agreed to be 'interviewed' on the topic if they were questioned TOGETHER, and NOT UNDER OATH.

Ask yourself if Bush and Cheney acted, at any juncture, like an administration who had been surprised by what happened, and determined to get to the bottom of it.

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riona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:13 AM
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16. I would like to add to my news list - any site suggestions?
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:19 AM
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17. Awesome!
Nothing but excellence, day after day.

TC


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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:52 AM
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18. Another gem
articulated in a language understandable to all who can read.
We at DU know, now spread the word.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:10 AM
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19. Brilliant, as usual
I have the same dream. Something will cause a mass-epiphany.

You are correct that we KNOW. Many know. Films like 'no End in Sight' demonstrate that many know, as did Fahrenheit 911. But yet the Orwellian, Lewis Carroll world continues on. People continue to live their lives, go to work, take the kids to school...

But like in the movie Network, people will gradually realize they are being played for fools; then resentment will take hold, and they'll be "mad as hell and not going to take it any more."

The signs that some put out at the 2006 election were trying to stimulate that: "Republicans think you're stupid."

I fear, though, that the takeover has gone so far that when the masses finally look up from the tube, or the ball game, or whatever, and say "hey, wait a minute!" it will be too late. It will be like cattle realizing that long march with cowboys keeping them company and protecting them from predators was NOT a trip to Disneyland, that the pens they are now enclosed in are a feedlot and that big building is a slaughterhouse.

I keep hoping though.

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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:10 AM
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20. Once again, you've nailed it succinctly & brilliantly...
I know DU has a very broad audience, but would you consider putting this up over at Daily Kos as well? (Do you have an ID over there? If not, I'd be happy to put it up for you.) More people need to read this & remember how much we really do know.

And for those of you who get RW emails, this is a great one to shoot back to the nutters.

(You should also send this to Keith O!!!)
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:23 AM
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21. Nance, I would love to get this printed in our local red-state rag. Can I 'borrow' your
words? To submit a LTTE here, you provide a phone number and then they call to verify you really want it printed. I might have to re-arrange or change a few words. I just doubt that I could get the editors to run it as a 'guest column', but I'll try.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:36 AM
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22. WE KNOW * was NEVER ELECTED!
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:45 AM
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23. Excellent post! Hell yes we know!
The whole world knows. Hell even yesterday while listening to the BBC on Sirius satellite radio THEY said it looks more and more like the U.S. had other motives for invading Iraq than going after "terrawrists". The BBC said that a majority British people believe the invasion is part of a broader U.S. regional strategy for control of the Middle east and it's oil. Believe me, the British people have seen through Bush since day one. The only part of the world in the dark is the mainstream U.S. thanks to our corrupt media. Sadly even my own parents still think Bush is ok thatnks to their ignorant viewing of Faux news. Keith Olberman, The Nation and a handful of comedians are the best we've got.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:51 AM
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24. And because we know
the rightwing will spin that knowledge by accusing us of, well, knowing.
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Netbeavis Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:12 AM
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26. Bravo! Good post.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:45 AM
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27. Unfortunately "WE" Includes Only A Relatively Small
(though growing) percentage of Americans.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:17 AM
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28. We know, but where the hell is our congress?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:41 AM
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30. acting as if they're powerless. but why? n/t
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 11:41 AM by redqueen
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:47 AM
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31. I have no good explanation, redqueen. I'm furious.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:38 PM
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32. We KNOW.....that NanceGreggs KICKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:44 PM
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34. Another K & R. Brilliant!
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:55 PM
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35. one more K&R!!!
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:59 PM
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36. Most excellent
Beautiful piece, Nance!
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:12 PM
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37. K & R for a spectacular post! n/t
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:40 PM
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38. A lie can travel halfway around the world
while the truth is putting on its shoes. (Mark Twain) People are so easily mislead. Thanks for another awesome post NanceGreggs!!!
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:59 PM
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39. Yes, I know (thanks to DU!), we know, but...
I can't figure out if Congress knows. Or if they're just pretending because they don't want to "upset" the largely uniformed public by being perceived as "not supporting the troops" with their "partisan attacks." It's so discouraging. They're supposed to be LEADERS, and that includes INFORMING the public. All they do is react to the Repug spin within the Repug framing, and end up giving them whatever they want.
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Summer93 Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 03:25 PM
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40. No more crap
I no longer can buy any of the crap.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 03:50 PM
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41. We know that virtually every 'puke utterance is just another lie to cover a single holistic lie for
this entire 'puke administration and its agenda are but one big lie, a criminal entity running the largest racketeering organization the world has ever known, or at least a very good case could be made.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 03:51 PM
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42. K & R - I know I've said this before, but this is your best one yet!
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 03:53 PM by Raksha
I was thinking along these lines a little while ago when I was putting together yet another e-mail group from my address book. I'm trying do my part in spreading the "loose nukes" story far and wide. I realize I won't be able to prevent a catastrophe, certainly not all by myself and maybe not even with the thousands of other good citizens of Left Blogistan who are doing the same thing.

But *IF* God forbid something should happen, my friends will remember my e-mail. And they will begin to connect the dots on their own. And sooner or later, not only will enough of us KNOW, but we will DO SOMETHING about what we know. And there will be no way in hell the powers-that-be will be able to stop us, because when the right course of action presents itself, it will be so obvious to everyone that it will come together almost on its own.

I say this knowing full that "organizing liberals is like herding cats," but when the moment comes--and I suspect it will come sooner rather than later--the next step will be self-evident to everyone.

Knowledge is power.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 03:55 PM
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43. They don't want to know
For them to know, they have to re-write in their heads everything they think they know.

They'd rather not make the effort, even if it kills them.

They'd rather stick their head in the sand (or up their ass) and go "Weialala leia Wallala leialala" than admit they were wrong.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:34 PM
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44. Well said!!!
What a very articulate post. I have been reading posts on DU for some time now. As a matter of fact, DU is responsible for kicking my ass into motion. I have always been pretty liberal, but never active. I was against the war when they tried to lie to us. As the painful years wear on, I am getting more and more sick and tired. What really makes me mad is the "what can I do" attitude. So many that I talk to, agree with me, but don't think they can do anything about it, so "what the hell" It is that attitude that places this county where it stands now. We the people are supposed to govern this country through elected representitives. We have to stand up, as the "little people" to make a change. WE can do something, but we have to do something first!!!!

I am sure that all of you here have already seen this, but I ran across a really good website yesterday. 911research.com it has some really interesting information that I never knew.

Once again, thank you to all the DU'ers that are helping to fix this horrible mess we are in!
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:10 PM
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55. welcome, againes654
:hi:

and as usual, nance puts truth to power.

if we could only get our congressional leaders to admit that they know, too...

they DO know. they can't possibly be that blind....?
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rhiannon55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:54 PM
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45. Once again--an excellent post, Nance!
For years, I've wondered: Why do WE know all this, but THEY (our congressional "reps") don't know? How is that possible?
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Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:17 PM
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46. Unfortunately, THEY KNOW
That Americans in a collective sense don't care about the lies they peddle daily. There are, of course, exceptions, present company included, but the hallmark of obfuscation is an apathetic, uninformed and ignorant electorate.

THEY KNOW, so they keep it up.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:19 PM
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47. Very interesting.
For the longest time I also have checked the internet every single morning with the thought that today will be the day. Only to realize that it isn't. Again. So that now I no longer expect anything, except for the unburied pile of crimes to get bigger.


I was just sitting here thinking that someone should hand deliver the laundry list to several key Congressmen. And perhaps even document the encounter. But to sit down for just a minute or two and point at each and ever one. And to get the Congressman's acknowledgment. Because perhaps they actually don't know.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:56 PM
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49. painfully fun stuff again, Nancy
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 05:57 PM by ProudDad
Unfortunately, when it comes to the actual political process, only about 5% really "KNOW" and about 1/3 of them are publicans and neo-cons...

Alas...


I'm in a middle of a day of mourning for mammalian life on Earth. It happens sometimes :shrug:

:hurts: :cry: :hide:


On Edit: But I have a wonderful evening planned -- Beatles night at the UU :bounce:
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:47 PM
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50. Nance, "they" don`t get it."They" think we are still sleeping.
Thank you, Nance! More and more people are waking up from the lullabies and pablum feeding of the pubbies. Have you noticed?? More and more people are saying ENOUGH. We are done with the liar-in-chief.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:08 PM
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51. We know.
The crimes that have been committed are unforgiveable
Of or relating to an act or situation that one cannot or will not forgive: unforgivable behavior.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unforgivable

and irredeemable
Impossible to redeem or reform: an irredeemable evil.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/irredeemable

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:07 PM
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53. Big K & R !!!
:bounce: :kick: :bounce:

:yourock:
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:38 PM
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54. THIS IS WHAT
:applause: a courageous elected Democrat should be saying in a televised speech! The litany of vice, lies and evil is absolutely mind-boggling.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:48 PM
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56. Bookmarked! xoxoxo! nt
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:06 PM
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57. We also know that you are the greatest and as always dead center on the truth.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:31 AM
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58. How about the 9/11 "No Work, No School & No Shopping" proposal?
Isn't that what they are trying to say?

A great post NanceGreggs. Such a full package you have here, and then put a bow on it with number 48.
"This administration had to be SHAMED into action by the 9/11 widows and other interested parties, and then they dragged their feet at every turn. Bush and Cheney only agreed to be 'interviewed' on the topic if they were questioned TOGETHER, and NOT UNDER OATH.

Ask yourself if Bush and Cheney acted, at any juncture, like an administration who had been surprised by what happened, and determined to get to the bottom of it."

Thank you for that.
I hand out deception dollars to try and spread the knowledge. Last weekend I was handing them out at the Summer of Love Concert in Golden Gate Park. Someone asked me if I had been hassled by the cops. I said no, but he handed me a flier with information: CIVILWATCH, Taking action to protect your constitutional rights against incompetent attorney representation and Police brutality.
They Assist with:
Attorney Malpractice
Ineffective Assistance of Counsel
Vindictive Prosecution
Police Misconduct
Excessive Force
State & Federal Appeals
Hebeas Corpus
Certiorari
U.S.C. 1983
Torts

(415) 368 4552 E-Mail: civilwatchlegal@yahhoo.com

Thinking someone who reads DU might benefit from the information I post it. I think Adam Kokesh, (? not sure of last name. He held the sign up during Gonzales testimony about how many times he said "I don't recall"), & who was recently jailed for posting a sign about the Sept 15th March, might find it helpful.

I too have sent letters to my representatives. Woolsey said she had to rely on the Commission Report. How do we talk to them about the unanswered questions that should have been considered in the report. There needs to be a new investigation.

Keep it Up, I think this post would make a great handbill/Flier in itself.
ADW
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