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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 03:38 AM
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Clinton challenges Obama on change
Edited on Mon Sep-03-07 04:17 AM by ariesgem
By Peter Nicholas, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 3, 2007

CONCORD, N.H. -- Answering opponents who have painted her as a cautious figure from the past, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton suggested Sunday that they were naive if they expected to bring about real change without striking compromises and painstakingly building a consensus first.

Clinton touched on what has become a running dispute in the 2008 Democratic presidential race: Which of the major candidates is the best bet for transforming the nation's healthcare system, creating jobs and shoring up alliances abroad?

Both of Clinton's chief rivals, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, have suggested she might be too invested in Washington's culture to chart a fresh, independent course.

Clinton used a half-hour speech at the Statehouse here to address that worry, while disputing Obama's argument that his lack of Washington experience is in many ways a plus.

" 'Change' is just a word without the strength and experience to make it happen," Clinton said, with her husband sitting behind her onstage. "And I know some people think you have to choose between change and experience. Well, with me you don't have to choose."

In a statement released afterward, the Obama campaign pointed to a claim Clinton made in a recent debate: that paid lobbyists represent many ordinary Americans. Obama's implication is that no politician intent on rattling the status quo would say such a thing.

"Barack Obama will bring fundamental change to Washington because instead of claiming that lobbyists represent most Americans, he has succeeded in passing reforms that will break the stranglehold they have on our political process," the Obama campaign said.

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In her Concord speech, Hillary Clinton said she would reveal her plan to revamp healthcare in two weeks. Obama, Edwards and other candidates have already released healthcare plans.

For Clinton, the issue is sensitive, and she's proceeding carefully. As first lady, she led a White House effort to expand healthcare coverage in 1993-94. But the plan foundered in the face of an intense lobbying campaign.

"I am very well aware of how difficult it will be, having been through it before," she said. "But I am proud we tried to reform healthcare to provide it to everyone in 1993 and '94, and this time we will get the job done working together."

Some in the audience seemed skeptical. Bob Williams, 65, of Chichester, N.H., said he was concerned that Clinton had waited so long to announce her plan -- and asked her about that after she finished her speech and waded into the audience to shake hands.

Williams, who runs an auto repair shop, said he had to pay $5,000 out of his pocket when he was hospitalized two years ago for a heart problem. The "cost factor," he said, is very important to his family.

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In a recent interview, Edwards suggested that Clinton's track record on healthcare was not the best.

"She made a really strong effort at it in the '90s," Edwards said as he campaigned through New Hampshire by bus. "It's the most visible thing she's ever done, and she lost."

Clinton campaign aides have conceded that her approach then was flawed. Critics said she operated in secrecy, with little enthusiasm for any plan other than her own. Now she appears to be advocating a more inclusive style.

"Ultimately," she said in Concord, "to bring change you have to know when to stand your ground and when to find common ground. You need to know when to stick to your principles and fight and know when to make principled compromises."


http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-hillary3sep03,1,7202458.story?coll=la-news-a_section


I'm looking forward to Obama's handling of her newly created image of "change". He has plenty of material to work with. This should get interesting.

GOBAMA!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 03:41 AM
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1. "'change' is just a word without the strength and experience to make it happen"---HRC.
:applause:
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 03:24 PM
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9. Bill didn't have it what it takes ...
what makes you think his legacy will?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 06:28 AM
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2. there is`t enough time to be nice to people.
we have lost over 8 years under the bush disaster and there is`t enough time to be nice.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 06:43 AM
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3. Obama's voted right along with HRC on Iraq - so where's the "change"?
He's proposed nothing revolutionary, nothing even exceptionally noteworthy.
"I'm new here" yeah, we know... "I'm not Hillary" yeah, we noticed...
The biggest "change" will be from a Republican presidency to a Democratic one.
And Sen. Clinton's our best chance for that.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 07:37 AM
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5. You have got to be kidding...seriously...
Edited on Mon Sep-03-07 07:47 AM by zulchzulu
Obama is not going to leave the troops high and dry in a war he is on record (Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXYxB7zUb8) saying he was against from the start when that opinion was very unpopular. He knows there aren't enough votes to defund the war. He also knows that for people to use "experience" and voting to give Bush a free pass to go to war is not exactly the experience America needs.

The person you need to really look through the bullshit about is Senator Clinton, who absolutely voted for Bush to attack unilaterally. She is complicit in the quagmire and Occupation. Blood is on her hands and she knows it.

To try to drag Obama into the bloodbath is utterly and completely delusional. Clinton wanted the war. And she got it. And now we have to listen to the lies that she didn't mean to want to go to war.

Pathetic. It's like saying that someone who is helping mop up after an accident is part of the accident.

As for experience, Obama surpasses Clinton with eight years as a very successful state senator in Illinois as well as three years in the Senate. Clinton's seven years in the Senate is less. Being a First Lady is good experience, but certainly there is nothing that was voted on legislatively. Yeah, she helped on the healthcare front until it was an abyssmal failure and her husband didn't much of anything else about it due to his personal problems.

If she is the nominee (she won't be...), that would be a strategic mistake and blunder for the Democrats who will have to scramble to get support for races nationally that were pretty much victories, possibly losing not getting the White House but losing both the Senate and Congress as well. The Republicans need her to be the nominee in 2008 as much as the military needs her to continue the quagmire. Voters will see that by the time the primary season begins.

Support your candidate and do all you can to make her the nominee. You can bet I'll support mine.










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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:03 AM
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6. Not one vote different on Iraq - so where's the "change"?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:35 AM
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8. Perhaps you missed the point...who voted FOR THE WAR?
Obama said he would have voted AGAINST the War...it's on video, it's in writing...it's pretty obvious.

Clinton has made enough statements where she not only thinks the so-called "Surge" is working, but also has even talked about using nukes in Iran. Then again, she has also completely made opposite statements over the years, so who really knows.

Obama has stated that he can't just leave the troops without protection in a war he thinks is wrong. There aren't enough votes to defund the war. There certainly is a HUGE difference in that Obama has stated he would begin redeploying in March 2008.

When Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-Pa.), the only Iraq war veteran to serve in Congress, endorsed Obama recently, he meant what he said:

"When I returned from Baghdad, I saw that we needed to go in a new direction — both here at home and in Iraq...I am inspired by Sen. Obama’s call to service and believe he is best suited to bring about the changes we need in our country.”


http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/congresss-only-iraq-war-veteran-endorses-obama-2007-08-21.html





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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 05:36 PM
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10. Obama did- Every vote to fund the war was a vote for the war
You're delusional if you deny that.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 07:27 AM
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4. Hillary laying claim to being change is laughable.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:20 AM
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7. Obama has already proven he's a fraud..he promised change..
and a different kind of politics. So then, why has he been designated the Repulican's Corporate whore? Double standared anyone?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 05:39 PM
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11. Tellurian, HRC supporter to HRC supporter, tell me if you've noticed this trend:
Obama supporters shout "OBAMA IS THE CANDIDATE OF CHANGE!!!", "OBAMA IS DIFFERENT!!", until you force them to look at his actual voting record, to which they shout "CLINTON DID IT TOO!!", "EDWARDS DID IT TOO!!"- Am I the only one who notices them doing that?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 05:52 PM
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13. I'm not a supporter of either,but I see that trend here often.
To be fair though,every candidate has it's share of supporters who don't like being shown facts.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 06:21 PM
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14. They do it because people aren't listening...
They pile on Hillary supporters attempting to STOP her momentum, but they can't! What I see here is more gamesmanship than comparisons of issues... But that seems to be a problem for Obama's supporters too, because he voted exactly like Hillary on the Iraq issues..Obama is campaigning with an empty quiver and Hillary has barely used hers. She's loaded for Bear!

The Hillary train has built up such a head of steam her train is in runaway status. Obama doesn't realize it yet...but whatever negativity he flings at Senator Clinton just adds to her polling numbers. When will Obama figure out his closest rival is Edwards not Clinton. You would have to ask yourself, if Obama can't figure out how to STOP the Hillary Train, why would I consider him for the presidency? Campaigning is a piece of cake compared to the problems facing our future president.

Back to the ever-loving shouting down by Obama supporters. Here's the latest:

"Obama Strikes Back Hard In Speech Responding To Clinton's New "Campaign of Change"

This is what I'm talking about! The headline is all hype feigning outrage. Point me to whatever it is that would be considered a "serious strike"...in Obama's "strikes back hard" statement? I read the entire piece and I found nothing that could be construed as a formidable strike debilitating Hillary's campaign and found the piece to be as benign as plain old vanilla yogurt.




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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 05:49 PM
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12. I love watching the two most status quo candidates argue over who represents change the best.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:23 PM
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15. Hillary is too invested in Washington's culture to chart a fresh, independent course
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:28 PM
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16. the ultimate entrenched washington insider cannot provide change.
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