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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:12 PM
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Truthout: Blue Dog Democrats, Staunch Bush Allies
Blue Dog Democrats, Staunch Bush Allies
By Matt Renner
t r u t h o u t | Report

Friday 10 August 2007

A tightly-knit group of self-styled moderate and conservative Democrats in the House of Representatives known as the Blue Dog Coalition supported controversial legislation granting the Bush administration expanded powers to spy on Americans. The group was instrumental in passing legislation that was opposed by a vast majority of Democrats.

According to their web site, the coalition named themselves Blue Dogs because "their moderate-to-conservative-views had been 'choked blue' by their party in the years leading up to the 1994 election." They have had some success taking seats from Republican incumbents. According to their web site, 24 Blue Dogs won elections against Republican incumbents since 1996.

The Blue Dogs pride themselves on being a fiscally conservative group intent on balancing the national budget and paying down the almost $9 trillion national debt. Tim Mahoney, who became the Representative for the 16th district of Florida after disgraced Republican Mark Foley dropped out of the 2006 election, recently became a member of the Blue Dogs. When he joined up, Mahoney described the coalition as a select group with an agenda. "We're hawks on national defense, we're pro-business, especially small business, and we believe in balancing the budget," Mahoney said. According to Mahoney, he faced a thorough vetting process before being accepted into the group. "You have to be interviewed and accepted by the group. You have to be able to demonstrate that you're ideologically supportive of being fiscally conservative. You show them speeches and statements you've made in the past," Mahoney told the Charlotte Sun, a local paper from his district.

The Blue Dogs have apparently informed the Democratic leadership in the House that they support the ongoing occupation of Iraq. According to Mahoney, he met with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and told her "The president should be free to maintain troops in Iraq, if the purpose is to thwart terrorism."

Mahoney's description of the Blue Dog's hawkish stance is not officially part of their platform, according to their spokesperson and their web site. The group does not issue press releases on national defense votes, although they have played an instrumental role in passing controversial bills that have been framed by the Bush administration as legislation intended to prevent terrorism.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/081007J.shtml

TC
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:15 PM
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1. Are Senators Webb and Klobuchar members?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:20 PM
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3. Bluedogs are House members. But Webb sounds like one in many ways
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:18 PM
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2. How does that make sense?
"We're hawks on national defense, we're pro-business, especially small business, and we believe in balancing the budget,..."

Well, hell, so am I. But I don't see how staying in Iraq meets any of that criteria!

Staying in Iraq is growing terror, not reducing it.
Staying in Iraq is quickly bankrupting this country.
Staying in Iraq is endangering our troops ability to deploy anywhere else on the planet if needed.
Staying in Iraq has cost this country in more human lives than were lost in the 911 attack.

What are they thinking? ARE they thinking? Are they instead just corrupted by the * machine? Threatened or receiving money?
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:32 PM
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4. "Threatened or receiving money?"
My guess: Planted. They were very carefully planted by the DLC within the Party to triangulate it to the right, so as to stifle the Liberal Left.

They ran them where they knew they would win (in conservative or "red" areas), and started to build up their numbers while giving the Democrats and Independents in those areas a choice between voting for a real Republican or one with a (D) after his/her name. They are doing that with the Senate as well.

We need to get busy and start UNelecting them now, and replacing them with REAL Democrats or this Party will be over-run.

TC


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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:46 PM
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5. Personally am shocked with Claire McCaskill
I still can't believe that she voted for this FISA monstrosity. To me, its easier to think they are good people threatened than crappers weaving their RW plans in secret.

Guess we will just have to wait to find out the truth.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:50 PM
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6. You are far more generous of spirit than I....
"To me, its easier to think they are good people threatened than crappers weaving their RW plans in secret."

To me, their elections seem every bit as deliberate as those of the Neo-Cons during Newt's "Republican Revolution", just a lot quieter.

If we wait around to find out the truth, it'll be too late, I fear.

But, you are very kind.


TC




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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 01:47 PM
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7. Kind or naive...
not sure where I am these days. I live in IL but helped out with phone calls for McCaskill, I donated to her campaign. I believed that she was honestly trying to make a difference. Maybe its my ego but I would like to believe that some of that rhetoric was true.

She sent me an email about the ethics bill earlier this week and I unloaded all my shock re this FISA betrayal by return email. Sent to two different McCaskill emails. No response yet.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 04:33 PM
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14. They ran in areas where they would win.
Areas where other Democrats had lost? And you think suddenly a progressive Democrat will win?

And if you can't see the difference between a "real" republican and a Blue Dog Democrat, then you aren't looking.

I've used this example before, so I'll use it again. Melissa Bean, Blue Dog. Voted for FISA, which sucked. But she also voted for limiting ANWR and for clean air/water, for stem cell research, for pro-choice positions (100 percent from NARAL), and for setting a timetable on withdrawing troops from Iraq (the bill chimpy vetoed).

FInd me one repub with that record.

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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:57 PM
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8. i've been meaning to start a thread about the Blue Dogs :-)
Edited on Fri Aug-10-07 04:23 PM by welshTerrier2
All seriousness aside though ;-), we really need to have a party pow-wow about exactly how we go about building our party. what are our values; what are our rules; how flexible should we be; how inflexible should we be; how can we reward the good guys; should we consider punishing the bad guys.

I'm going to write this post from my personal perspective. Even the most progressive elected Democrats are a big compromise for me. I've been willing to "stay put" until now in the hope that doing so would at least move us closer to what I believe is best for the country.

Here's the problem for many of us left-wing Dems, we don't get nothin ... Here's why. Let's assume we have a Dem controlled Congress as we sort of do now. What happens when key choices come up for a vote? Either the "liberal" Democrats work out some sort of compromise with the conservative Democrats or they don't. If they do, the result is well to the right of my position; if they don't, the conservatives vote with the republicans as they did on the wiretapping bill and we get a right-wing republican result. And me? I don't get nothin ... Now this is a pretty sorry state of affairs. Where's my representation?

And then, on top of that, I'm called a purist. I'm called self-indulgent. Call me all the names you want to, I'm still getting nothin ...What I am is NOT REPRESENTED.

Well, this then brings me to a discussion of the Blue Dogs and, more broadly, to a discussion of party governance. How should the "Big Tent" be operated? If one argues that each rep should do whatever they believe according to their values and their conscience, then why shouldn't I do the exact same thing. If I don't feel represented, why shouldn't I vote based on my own principles? Put another way, if they won't compromise with me, why should I compromise with them?

Of course, this leads to some serious political problems for all concerned. This is the perfect prescription for a "house divided". And, even beyond that, is that what we consider a party that represents all its constituents? What we're doing now is giving no voice to the party's left wing. None. It's not a matter of "purists"; it's a matter of having no voice at all. What we're left with is a tyranny of the majority. The left has NO SEAT AT THE TABLE. The result has been a loss of voters to either other parties or, more prominently, to alienated Americans who just don't vote at all. This is terrible for the party; it's much, much worse for the country.

The Blue Dogs are the perfect triangulation model. They reflect Looney Liebermanism. The idea is that, whenever they please, they can morph into republicans and put the Democratic majority into a minority status. So, returning to some of the earlier posed questions, what, if anything, should or could the party do in response to this disloyal conduct?

The party has no real leverage with the left inside the Congress. Put another way, if I vote for a Green candidate, the party cannot "take anything away from me" because it hasn't given me anything to begin with. They can't threaten my district. They can't hold back on electoral support. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. But, this is not the case with the Blue Dogs. No, to answer another poster's question, I don't want to hand Blue Dog seats back to the republicans. But neither am I willing to be held hostage by that very threat.

It seems to me that some accord has to be reached if party unity is the goal. Blue Dogs cannot run free, off their leashes, anywhere and anytime they choose. If they want to be welcomed under the Big Tent, and I hope they do, they need to make certain concessions just as all other party members do. Certain central themes of the Democratic Party should be CORE VALUES and should be NON-NEGOTIABLE. I would argue, and again this should be negotiated at a party-wide forum open to all, that the recent Constitutional abuse for which the Blue Dogs voted should have been part of our core values as a party. We hear a lot about party loyalty from the conservative wing of the party until it comes to issues where they want to go off on their own.

It's always the unrepresented left who is accused in these forums of disloyalty. If they truly are not represented, it's not clear what they are being asked to be loyal to. And then, the "true blue" loyalists from the Blue Dog camp turn right around and cast their votes with the republicans. Party loyalty would, indeed, be an interesting topic to explore in greater detail from this perspective. The reality is that the Blue Dogs, especially with Democrats in charge, always get a seat at the table. Either they force a compromise in their own party or they side with the republicans tipping the vote their way. It must be nice. And, even given that, they see no obligation to remain loyal to other Democrats.

So it seems a great pow-wow is called for. It's time for the party to stop pretending we're a Big Tent and all on the same team when clearly we are not. It's time to start making it clear that we will not do anything or say anything or allow anything just to keep the party intact. If we can't agree on a set of core values, we are nothing but an empty shell worthy of nothing. There's tons of room for compromise but there is no room for being compromised. To allow any of our "teammates" to vote to eliminate our civil liberties and to be free from illegal searches and seizures is unconscionable. It's time to sit down with those teammates who did this and have a little chat. They need to understand that they've done serious harm to the party. It's hardly just the left who is angry at what they've done; this stabs Constitutional protections in the back. It hands bush even more unchecked power. No one has argued against giving the government the power it needs to protect the country as long as that power, as it's always been, has been authorized and overseen by a Court. The FISA law even accommodated doing this after the fact so as not to interfere with the timeliness of the process. But even that was not good enough for the Blue Dogs. They wanted the Executive Branch to be free of the checks and balances that the Founders so carefully wove into the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. One wonders whether they've ever read those documents.

The issue raised in the OP goes way, way beyond the single issue of wiretapping. We have some real issues to address with the Democratic Party. Perhaps raising issues like this at this time will find very little traction. So many are so distracted with one campaign or another and cautions about electoral risks and rips in the Big Tent are likely to go unheeded because many believe the Democrats are sitting pretty after 8 years of bush's disaster. They may be right although they would be foolish to take winning for granted. But the issues raised in this post look well beyond the next election or the one after that. We need to define who we are and how we will resolve our differences. If we fail to do that, in the long run, we will not succeed. More will come to see they are not represented. Again, that's not the way parties should operate and it surely is not the way democracies should operate.

i've already recommended this thread. now it's getting a well-deserved KICK ...
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 04:00 PM
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9. I wish I could recommend this post specifically in addition to the thread.
THANK YOU!:applause::applause::applause:
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 04:12 PM
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11. very nice of you to say ...
thanks so much ...
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 04:05 PM
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10. Right on, wT2! None of us are "represented" when our values are not shared by those who
"represent" us. As usual, your post is gorgeous. I wish I could write like that!

I am honored you posted this in my thread.

TC


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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 04:15 PM
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12. thanks, TC ...
maybe I should rewrite this in its own thread at some point ... pretty hard to be a Democrat these days ...

i've been thinking about signing up for one of those inter-galactic flights ... maybe elsewhere in the galaxy they've worked through some of this nonsense ...
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 04:18 PM
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13. I wish you would!
It's so good, it deserves its own thread.

TC

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 04:36 PM
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15. More about Mahoney. And a good guy named Lutrin in Florida...and Rahm.
Edited on Fri Aug-10-07 04:38 PM by madfloridian
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