Pakistanis Protest Barak Obama's Invasion Threats...what a disaster!

[Tellurian]

Pakistanis Protest Barak Obama's Invasion Threats

On Wednesday, Barak Obama pledged that he would ignore Al-Qaeda in Iraq but would invade US ally Pakistan to hunt down members of the terror organization.

Pakistani officials also blasted Obama for his irresponsible remarks of a unilateral invasion.

ABC reported:

"Top Pakistan officials said Obama's comment was irresponsible and likely made for political gain in the race for the Democratic nomination."

"It's a very irresponsible statement, that's all I can say," Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khusheed Kasuri told AP Television News. "As the election campaign in America is heating up we would not like American candidates to fight their elections and contest elections at our expense."

President George W. Bush telephoned President Gen Pervez Musharraf on Friday to allaeviate fears of the Pakistani administration.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/08/pakistanis-protest-barak-obamas.html

...Obama has a whole country mad at us now! Thanks, BO, things weren't bad enough!..

[bluestateguy]

1. It was an incredibly stupid thing to say, even though I agreed with him

As a president, there are some things you just don't say, lest they cause an international incident. I basically agree with what he said, but by saying it directly, that's an open invitation to extremists in that country--and yes, Pakistan does have some Islamic radicals inside their borders--to blow everything out of proportion.

I have suspected before that Obama was just not up for Prime Time. He's an intelligent, optimistic and gifted speaker, but I'm not comfortable that he can play ball against the Republican Noise Machine.

[Tellurian]

20. Yes, of course..

It's basically what the presidency is all about. Obama doesn't have a grasp of the gravitas that is expected with the job.

[earthlover]

34. Then why is it BOTH EDWARDS AND HILLARY AGREED WITH OBAMA WITHIN HOURS??

If you think saying that we would go after Been Forgotten with actionable intelligence shows that a candidate is not ready for prime time or lacks a grasp at gravitas....well that is your opinions. Something you probably share with about ten people in the United States.

What is PURE HYPOCRISY is stating this and supporting Hillary or Edwards at the same time. They almost broke a sweat running fast enough to agree with Obama.

How can you friggin look yourselves in the mirror?

[jenmito]

37. Bump so people will read your post...

Not only did both of them agree with him, BUSH said the same exact thing on CNN a while ago! The only reason Obama was criticized was because he's the only one the media is harping on about this!

[Clintonista2]

62. I thought Obama was "different"?

Yet you seem to be trying to make the fact known that Obama has the same foreign policy stance as Bush. Sad.

[Tellurian]

69. Maybe because Obama keeps changing his statement and has journalists confused..

Just think, if he had kept quiet, he wouldn't be in this quagmire!

[Ethelk2044]

2. Bush Chaney and Hillary has a lot worst. When they bushed for the WAR

[presspeal]

3. Gen Pervez Musharraf ...

is not the 'whole country'. Making him upset may not be a bad thing at all.

[Tellurian]

21. read the article...

the flag burning demonstrations are not done by Musharraf.

Obama insulted the people of Pakistan.

[truebrit71]

4. Hmm, let's see, Pakistan is harbouring Al-Q and OBL. Pakistan won't do anything about it.

So you have two options as I see it;

1) Light a fire under Pakistan and tell them to get it done

2) Go in and do it ourselves.

Either way Obama has said he will do what Lt AWOL HASN'T done and that is GET OBL!!!

Oh, and who gives a fuck what Pakistan thinks about the US anyway, don't they have some honour killings to focus on? :eyes:

[jillan]

9. Musharraf is out ally. He does not want his country taken over

by these thugs. Yet they are already taking over Pakistan, much as the neo-cons have taken over the US...but on a much more serious level.

We need to work with Musharraf, not threaten him.

[truebrit71]

11. The time for working with this guy is over. He needs to hand the bad guys over.

Period.

[TeamJordan23]

12. Musharaf's support in Pakistan is eroding. A lot of people do not feel safe

anymore with all the suicide bombings that have been going on there - especially in the capital Islamabad. I have been a Musharraf supporter, but it might be time for a change.

[High Plains]

26. Ah, simplistic solutions to complex problems.

That's what got us to where we are today.

Would you prefer that Musharref is toppled amidst civic unrest and replaced by Islamic radicals after he declares war on the tribal areas? We're already seeing a hint of what could come in the reaction to the Red Mosque fiasco.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

28. That's not really an answer

Doing nothing hasn't exactly brought peace and stability; Musharref's life is in danger no matter what he does, and terrorist acts are increasing across the country. Attacks on Americans in Afghanistan are being supported logistically through the tribal areas already.

If there's a "complex" answer to "What do you do about a nuclear armed dictator fending for his life against fundamentalist, genocide-inclined insurgents," I'd like to see how it successfully navigates a no-win situation.

[earthlover]

44. Would you rather give Musherref VETO POWER over us getting Been Forgotten?

[JerseygirlCT]

32. Musharraf is also playing both sides against the middle

He's our ally only insofar as it benefits him -- note I didn't say Pakistan.

He's quite content to allow the thugs to run rampant, so long as that keeps the lid on his own radical fundamentalists.

He's interested in what we can provide in arms so he can continue his fight with India.

He's a good friend of ours like the Saudis and Sudanese are our good buddies. With friends like those, the entire world doesn't need more enemies.

[Tellurian]

22. Pakistan has nukes...

as president you don't tell the World your plans and we can't be seen as threatening.

[earthlover]

39. "we can't be seen as threatening"?

Well, it is HILLARY who has said...in contradiction to what Obama said...that we can't take NUKES....FRIGGIN NUKES....off the table! So...doncha think NUKES are a bit...threatening?

Hillary has told the world her plans...she plans to keep the first use of nukes on the table!

So, I guess it is implied from your headline, Pakistan has nukes so we must cower. But we have nukes and Hillary is not afraid to use 'em.

So who is cowering?

[Tellurian]

50. If you stop a minute..

what Hillary said is in my sig line. She hasn't had to come out and clarify her answer, nor has she had to send person after person to clarify what isn't clear to some people. Especially, Obama supporters.

[buff2]

5. He would never win the presidency even if he did win the

nomination. Too many racist republi-CON hicks and crooks. They would never let it happen.I think if he won the primary he would be dead before the national election. Just look at all the Dems who have been killed due to "accidents" when they were really becoming prominate figures.Those bastards aren't afraid to take someone out if it means keeping themselves in power.It's really scary when you think about it. :scared:

[Dawgs]

7. How bout we just stick with white males for the rest of our existence?

It will make it so much easier. :sarcasm:

[earthlover]

36. Excellent point...

Can you imagine someone telling Rosa Parks not to stand up for her rights because she might get hurt or because the powers that be would not allow for her success?

Calling this a cop out would be mild.

[Dawgs]

6. No, the only "disaster" is Hillary's and Bush's war.

Obama pissed off a do nothing leader of a country that's holding terrorists.

Oh, never mind. Convincing Hillary supporters like you is hopeless.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

15. He strengthened fundies in Pakistan and made Pakistan (AND us) less safe than before the speech

No biggie, though. After all, it is only a country of 150+ million people and nukes. :sarcasm:

As far as I know, Hillary has never been president and has not launched a war.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

25. Bullshit.

They've developed a rogue nuclear program, allowed the father of their nuclear program to sell 'do it yourself nuclear bomb' techniques to other unstable governments, continue to serve as a diplomatic safety zone for every stripe of terrorist, and constitute a logistical base for the Taliban's attempt to retake Afghanistan.

They're the bad guy we've pretended to be fighting in Iraq, and who we continue to insist resides in the stable governments of Damascus and Tehran.

[earthlover]

45. Bullshit...if Obama did that, so did Hillary and Edwards by agreeing with him!!!!!!!

[earthlover]

38. It sure is hopeless...when their own candidate agreed with Obama.

I find this insulting that they would not think we would notice! I mean...how stupid do you think we are that we haven't noticed that both Hillary and Edwards JUMPED to agree with Obama on this issue? We didn't fall off a turnip truck!

I guess saying they are a bit arrogant is an understatement.

What is AMAZING is that they think they are doing their candidate some good by their antics.

My only prayer is that, if Hillary gets the nomination, they are more quiet. Hillary would have enough problems without "help" like that.

[madrchsod]

8. they`ll get over it

must have been a nice day to have a protest for the media....

obama made a mistake but i did`t noticed the world coming to an end last friday. then again maybe it did and i did`t notice

[TeamJordan23]

10. Edwards and Hillary share same view as Obama. nm

[Bullet1987]

13. Firstly, this is all false bravado and bandwagon jumping because Obama

never said anything about invasion. Secondly, Pakistan doesn't like it simply because Obama indirectly called them out and it made public news. Everybody and their mother knows Pakistan harbors terrorists, but it's like a don't ask don't tell type of thing.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

18. It isn't as simple a situation as Obama fans make it out to be (and he did call for an invasion)

Why do you think Musharraf hasn't taken out terrorists who have tried to kill him 5 times? Is he naive? A wimp? He hasn't because, unfortunately, he has to tread lightly because of the perverse public opinion in that country. If he went all-out against the terrorists tomorrow the result may be fundies toppling him and have fundies in control of nukes. That would be a disaster for us and the world. Pakistan, which affects our security in America, is definitely not a political football a candidate should use for political gain....

He did call for an invasion. An unwanted military incursion into a sovereign nation is an invasion.

Biden and Richardson have the best positions on this. It is no coincidence these two happen to have the most foreign policy experience of any of our candidates...

[Bullet1987]

55. Draft...you're full of it and you're lying your ass off...

Obama DID not even mention the word INVASION. So quite to BS...

[draft_mario_cuomo]

17. No one announced this to the world until Obama opened his mouth to clean up the debate damage nt

[Tellurian]

23. yeah, if you keep saying it,

you might even believe it!

Read my sig line, that is what Hillary said...

the line you incessantly keep reposting was taken out of context, but if it a lie you want to believe, be my guest.

[zulchzulu]

41. HERE is what Senator Clinton SAID

"If we had actionable intelligence that Osama bin Laden or other high-value targets were in Pakistan I would ensure that they were targeted and killed or captured," she said."

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/8/2/worldupdates/2007-08-02T023102Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-287732-2&sec=worldupdates

[Tellurian]

51. Obama goes from Tea w/adversaries to bombing allies in less than a week!

Axelrod must have handed him Alfred E. Newmam's Cliff Notes!

[The Ghost]

59. ugh

now youre quoting Mitt Romney. Your arrogance is pathetic, pal.

[Tellurian]

67. It's not arrogance...It's audacity, friend!

[zulchzulu]

68. Wow. Resorting to Mitt Romney talking points to attack Obama...

Have a good life. You are now On Ignore. You're a worthless stooge.

[Alamom]

56. Is Pakistan mad at her and publishing articles daily about it? nm

[AtomicKitten]

14. at first glance

When I saw the photo of Pakistanis burning the U.S. flag, my first impression was 'that can't be good.'

However, on further thought, I reconsidered that first impression.

First of all Obama's comments on the subject have been massaged and inflated and distorted beyond recognition. This blog chatter link provided punctuates that.

Secondly, the U.S. is virtually renting the Pakistani army to the tune of approximately $100 million a month, an interesting dynamic not even mentioned but certainly worthy of exploration. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/The_United_States/US_renting_Pak_army_at_100m_a_month/articleshow/2202421.cms

I think I'll leave serious analysis of this most serious subject to the experts and not to the political bloggers.

[ProSense]

16. These wingnut blogs are going to love the hits from DU

Hint, take a look at their blog roll before linking:

Ace of Spades
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[NYCGirl]

19. You mean wingnut blogs aren't a legitimate source here on DU?

Who knew?

:sarcasm:

[bigdarryl]

24. he's not running for President of Pakistan who gives a shit if they let off as little steam the...

Russians were mad when Reagan called them the evil empire and they had 30,000 nuclear weapons pointed at us. this is much to do about nothing plus Mashariff is a DICTATOR and overthrew the democratic elected government. In ten years we may be an enemy of this country and Obamas statement will be right.

[Tellurian]

27. It was a stupid thing to do. Obama isn't the president.. n/t

[earthlover]

46. Then it was a stupid thing for Hillary and Edwards to agree with...they are not president!

Geez...is it now stupid to say we would go after Been Forgotten and not give veto power to a military ruler of Pakistan?

[Alamom]

57. Repeat: Is Pakistan mad at Clinton & Edwards? nm

[Forkboy]

29. Observations of the World from the heart of Jesusland.

:rofl:

[TSIAS]

31. More from that site

I didn't read all the posts, but here are some headlines:

"Moonbats Blame Bush's War for MN Bridge Collapse"

"Big Media Whitewash- AP Skips Over Kos Anti-Semitic Hate Speech"

And then there's the flattering picture of a young girl handling Condi Rice flowers.



But hey! At least it's better than the thread last week praising noted liberal Charles Krauthaumer.

[Forkboy]

33. I used think if I posted something about Hillary from a rightwing source her supporters would be mad

Now I think they take it as a compliment.

[TSIAS]

60. Kick

Back in the day, it used to be against the rules to trash a Democratic candidate using a RW source.

Would it be acceptable if I posted from some loon at World Nut Daily that Hillary killed Vince Foster? I think not!!!

I swear, I might actually like Hillary a lot more were it not for the "Hillary is 44" crowd on the Internet.

[LordJFT]

30. Going after Bin-Laden and his ilk even if Musharref won't support us isn't irresponsible

Hilary's support for the IWR that caused the deaths of over 4,000 of our troops and several thousand Iraqis was

[earthlover]

42. Right. Actually there are only 10 people on the planet who oppose going after Been Forgotten...

and they are all hillary supporters on DU!

[LordJFT]

47. was that supposed to be facetious or are you agreeing with me?

[earthlover]

48. I agreed 100% with what you said....then I got facetious about others

[LordJFT]

53. ok just making sure

[Az_lefty]

35. if Pakistan doesn't like Obama's comments perhaps..

they should hunt down the damned terrorists hiding out in their mountains.

[zulchzulu]

40. Is it a "disaster" that Hillary Clinton AGREED with what Obama said?

Surely you can answer that little question... Senator Clinton said this after Obama's statement, WHICH SHE AGREED WITH.

"If we had actionable intelligence that Osama bin Laden or other high-value targets were in Pakistan I would ensure that they were targeted and killed or captured," she said."

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/8/2/worldupdates/2007-08-02T023102Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-287732-2&sec=worldupdates

[earthlover]

43. Hillary is not dumb. Her some of supporters are Orwellian, however

[Tellurian]

52. So you're saying:

"IT'S ALL CLINTON'S FAULT !!!"

[earthlover]

54. No, not exactly....

What I said was Hillary is not dumb. But some of her supporters are Orwellian.

Up is down. Down is up. Hillary is better and Obama is bad because Hillary agreed with what Obama said, but...shhh...we aren't supposed to know Hillary said that because the thought-police didn't want us to know....

FXXX That SXXX!!!

You Hillary supporters have to look in a friggin mirror! Hillary agreed with Obama's statement. And only 10 people on the planet would disagree, maybe less. Of friggin course people would want Been Forgotten taken care of. And of friggin course we wouldn't want to relinquish our power and give a military leader teetering on the brink a friggin VETO over this!

No it's not Clinton's fault! The point is her lemming followers. They don't have a CLUE what HIllary stands for, or maybe they haven't caught up with her position yet. Pathetic.

You Hillaryistas are pissing me off. I haven't even decided on this race yet. I would like a woman president. But every time I even think more positively towards Hillary, you guys act like bullshitdozers and turn me off once more.

Hillary did well in the debate. Then she blew it by attacking Obama. Then she agreed with obama about going after Been Forgotten. Then said using nukes was on the table. And...all the while...her supporters were acting like knuckleheads.

Gore/Clark 08

[Tellurian]

61. Let's not play the blame game...and furthermore

If you believe your own BS, you're delusional.

The bottom line is, Hillary's numbers are approaching 48% to 50% in some polls, to Obama's high of 18% to 22%.

Obama's numbers are lower now, than before he announced he was IN the race.

Oh, and Einstein, the 2 candidates you're advocating for, Gore and Clark; they "AIN'T" runnin!

[zulchzulu]

64. Gad, are you on something?

You only look at polls when in fact the thread is a fucking lie. Hillary Clinton AGREES with Obama on the statement about Musharaff...here... I'll make the font bigger so you can read....

Hillary Clinton AGREES with Obama on the statement about Musharaff!

Can you read that?

[Tellurian]

65. Read my sig line..

put down the pipe!

[Tellurian]

66. You people don't seem to get it..

Obama's campaign is in shambles. He's painted himself into a corner and has no place to go but attack Hillary.

And get this, the more he attacks her, the higher her numbers will go.

Obama is finished!

[earthlover]

71. No, I am not delusional...Obama and HIllary said basically the same thing

OK, I will give you quotes. One of the following was spoken by Obama last week. The other was spoken by Hillary within hours. I will leave it for you to figure out which is Hillary's quote, and which is Obama's.

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will".

"If we had actionable intelligence that Osama bin Laden or other high-value targets were in Pakistan, I would ensure that they were targeted and killed or captured".

They said basically the same thing. Yet, when Obama said it I guess it means we are going to invade Pakistan, and if Hillary says it it means we won't go against Pakistani sovereignty! That's the nice thing about Doublespeak.

I find it HILLARIOUS that you tried to respond to comments about this by reverting back to poll numbers.

And who said anything about blame? I have to scratch my head. What is it with you that you mention the "blame game".

Yes, I know Gore and Clark are not running at this time. If they were, we wouldn't be talking about the comments of Clinton and Obama right now.

[zulchzulu]

63. Ah yes...the Ol' "Blame Clinton" button pushed...

Instead of perhaps apologizing for starting a thread that is based on a lie, you pull out that little number to try to make your point. Next thing you know, you'll be calling me a misogynist for not adoring Clinton...

Pathetic.

[illinoisprogressive]

49. since hillary agreed I guess she is a mess as well.

[Alamom]

58. Repeat: Any Pakistani articles about Clinton?

There is a way to say and do things and there is way to stick your foot in your mouth.....



Obama seems to prefer the later.

[killbotfactory]

70. Yeah, what's up with that?

Obama hasn't proposed anything new when it comes to hunting terrorists, yet Pakistan chose to single him out, acting as if terrorists in Pakistan shouldn't concern the US.

Why is that?

[earthlover]

72. Again, the quotes....

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will".

"If we had actionable intelligence that Osama bin Laden or other high-value targets were in Pakistan, I would ensure that they were targeted and killed or captured".

Ok...which is a way to say things and which is putting your foot in your mouth?

Not much difference....

What is SAD is, although they said the same thing, they meant the same thing, and both would do the same thing as president...the media and of course the Hillary Supporters have tried to malign Obama for saying it while praising Hillary for saying it.

You say tomato, I say tomahto, let's call the whole thing off

[earthlover]

73. At the top of the OP's site: Observations of the World from the heart of Jesusland

Observations of the World from the heart of Jesusland...the whole thing was slanted.

Just shows how far you had to search....