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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:14 PM
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Wow...Hillary Clinton labeling herself a progressive?
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 06:15 PM by Heaven and Earth
Talk about dog whistle politics. Doesn't make her one, but surprising nonetheless.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:15 PM
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1. A moderate progressive, but not as a 'liberal.' nm
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:16 PM
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2. Did she say "moderate?" I thought she said "modern." n/t
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:17 PM
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3. Oh, sorry. Maybe I misheard. I am not 100%. It could have been modern. nm
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:17 PM
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5. I thought she said "modern" too. n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:18 PM
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7. she definitely said "modern"
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:19 PM
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10. Okay, thanks. nm
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:18 PM
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8. The term Liberal has been slandered and stained by repugs
over the past 15 years....today, we Progressive, Dean supporters, we helped coin the updated term in 04 Campaign.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:17 PM
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4. Put your boots on it is about to get thick.. I thought I heard
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 06:18 PM by Ethelk2044
Progressive as well.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:19 PM
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9. Well its about damn time.
I want to see them all furiously blowing that dog whistle for us.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:18 PM
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6. So progressives support the war on
Iraq, unfettered free trade and for profit health care?

Guess I'm not a progressive after all.

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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:22 PM
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11. What the FUCK is a moderate progressive
This woman is a JOKE!! just say you are a liberal and proud of it.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:23 PM
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12. She was referring to the progressive movement in the early
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 06:24 PM by Heaven and Earth
20th century, and contrasting herself as a "modern" progressive.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:24 PM
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13. BULLSHIT!! theres no such thing as a moderate progressive JESUS!!!
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:26 PM
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14. "Modern", not "moderate."
I'm not a Clinton supporter, that's part of why I was surprised.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:29 PM
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16. Maybe "Modern Progressive" is the new DLC lingo for "New Democrat"???
That could explain it.

TC

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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:40 PM
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46. Focus Grouped
I think you're own to something TC. Modern Progressives believe in: NAFTA, more money for corporate donors, unprovoked war, and me, me, me.

Doesn't matter a wit. Words are cheap; everyone has them.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:35 AM
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54. I know I am "onto" something....
The messaging of words and meanings of words and the symbolism of words is nothing new to this camp.

Wasn't it Bill who tried to explain what the many meanings of "is" was?

"New Democrat must've made people uncomfortable in that last focus group, but they responded better to "Modern Progressive", no doubt. Only someone as close to my own thinking as you would have "gotten" my meaning. ;)

All I can say is Heaven Help Us if this woman is our candidate. Whether she wins or loses, I feel it will be the beginning of the end for the United States and the Democratic Party as we know them.

TC

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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 06:43 AM
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67. End of the Dem party as we know it?
That's funny, because a lot of people around here don't like her exactly because they think she would be the same old Dem Party.

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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:26 PM
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15. She said "modern" progressive, if you read some of the earlier posts in the thread. n/t
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:58 PM
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28. She didn't say that
yet again, another DU'er making up what someone said and then getting pissed off at the thing that was made up.

Un fucking believable.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:14 PM
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41. Jesus Christ, try getting the facts straight before you rush to smear. nt.
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Indy_Dem_Defender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:32 PM
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17. That's what I thought WTF?
Moderate Progressive, what's she holding back on something? that's what those 2 words sound like together.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:34 PM
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18. Then it's good she didn't say that
she said 'modern progressive'
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:40 PM
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20. i heard MODERATE progressive
it's nice to be all things to all people, i suppose ...

btw, i think she actually said both things ... i think she initially said a modern progressive and then subsequently said either a moderate and a progressive or a moderate progressive ...
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:50 PM
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26. The your hearing is bad
she definitely said 'modern'.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:05 PM
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32. it must be nice to be so perfect
isn't it just a wee bit incredible that you are completely right and I am completely wrong??? you see, in my post I said what "I heard" ... and I said what I "thought" was said ...

I'm obviously not quite as perfect as you seem to believe you are ...

the fact that you discount the possibility that you are wrong tells me all I need to know about how you process information ...
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:45 PM
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40. LOL
she either said 'moderate' or 'modern'. One of us is right.

She said 'modern'. Therefore I'm right. sorry that hurts your feelings.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:45 PM
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43. you miss the point
the point is that regardless of what she said, I allow the possibility of being wrong when I report on what I "think" I heard.

you don't allow the possibility of error ... that's a very unfortunate trait ...
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:31 PM
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42. She said modern - here's the transcript:
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:02 PM
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31. I'm an old-fashioned progressive liberal - and HRC calls herself a "modern Progressive"?
:eyes:
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 11:46 AM
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69. She must have a Blackberry. That's pretty modern.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:43 AM
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51. I think the term was "MODERN PROGRESSIVE"
and boy can the woman MARKET herself.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:38 PM
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19. The Hillary You-Tube candidate video was stupid.
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 06:38 PM by TeamJordan23
Number of WMDs found in Iraq? Zero.

Maybe you shouldn't have voted for it than.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:41 PM
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21. I thought it was good -
"sometimes the best man for the job is a woman."

Well, the audience seemed to like it, anyway.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:42 PM
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22. yeah, the overall point was good. But why is she referring to the Iraq War, a war she voted for. nm
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:44 PM
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24. Well, her campaign had a contest in which people could submit their own videos
so it wasn't made by her campaign (although they chose it, obviously).
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:09 PM
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33. I wondered what it was.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:44 PM
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23. Anderson Cooper is doing a good job. Good follow up to HRC about US troops in Darfur. nm
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:45 PM
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25. I think that's the first time I've seen anyone get nailed down when they didn't want to be.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:02 PM
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30. Yes, and her answer will hurt her with African American voters.
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:54 PM
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27. I expect a hard left turn from her if she is elected.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:59 PM
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29. Why do you expect that?
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:21 PM
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34. She came of age as a Liberal and I think that defines her essential nature.
But as she aged she has become pragmatic. She has to appeal to the middle now if she is going to get elected. The middle moderates are the ones who got The Moron elected in 2000 and 2004 so they have to be courted and cajoled.
Of course, if she does win we'll have to watch her like hawks.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:26 PM
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35. Huh.
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 07:32 PM by Heaven and Earth
Well, I don't buy it. I think she's been traumatized like so many Democrats by the conservative ascendency in the 80's and 90's, and I'm afraid the damage might be permanent.
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:43 PM
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37. That is a concern.
I confess to having drifted rightward during that period myself. I was still left of center but had let my Mother Jones subscription lapse. But events of the last 7 years (actually by 2003) were like a bucket of ice water and I was jerked solidly back to the politics of my youth. (No, I didn't become stupid enough to vote for Bush. I suspected he was a last minute substitute for Dan Quayle, the previously assigned patsy to serve as the face of the Neocons but who turned out to be even too stupid for that.) Mrs. Clinton doesn't have my vote yet but if she wins the primary I'm not going sit it out because she isn't pure enough.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:25 PM
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47. It depends at what age you come of age
She was a Goldwater Republican when she left high school. The small government and individual rights fit that. The comment that dealt with community would be the liberal part.

I think a better answer would have been that labls rarely fit a person's entire political belief system - which from her description seems true of her. It makes more sense than making up a new label.
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NewYorkJ Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:32 AM
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48. Clinton's had her chances
to display her progressive roots but she's been wrong on the war for way too long.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:19 AM
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52. Hillary started her political life as a Goldwater
girl...Barry Goldwater was a REPUBLICAN candidate in 1964. Her family was REPUBLICAN.

She and Bill Clinton took REPUBLICAN ideas such as welfare "reform" and NAFTA and made the Democrat ideas and platforms. Hillary doesn't have a left leaning bone in her body. She supports unfettered free trade via NAFTA and for profit health care via Hillary Care, which would have left the insurance companies in charge of our health care.

Dennis Kucinich is the ONLY true progressive candidate running as a Democrat. With Dennis you know what you are getting. There would be no "hoping" he takes a left turn.

Stop supporting the corporately chosen candidate and support the REAL progressive, Dennis Kucinich!
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:39 AM
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55. Dennis is without question a man of integrity. He raises the quality of the public discourse.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:02 AM
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60. Do you think DK is going to get the nomination?
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:31 PM
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61. Sadly, no.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 06:30 AM
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66. He would if people would stop drinking from the
DLC and corporate kool aid. This devotion to a triangulator, free trader, pro corporate health care person such as Hillary is beyond my understanding.

Look who she dragged out yesterday to attack Barack Obama for his lack of foreign policy experience, "miss collateral damage" herself, Madeleine Albright. Just as I am not happy the same crowd that was in power in the 1980s is in charge, so I would not be happy if Ms Albright was called upon to issue foreign policy advice.

People are nostalgic for the Clinton era because Clinton could tie a coherent English sentence together. As for serving the ruling elites in this country, not much difference between the policies of the Clinton era and those of the Bush era.

With Dennis Kucinich we would get REAL change and it would benefit REAL people instead of only those who live in the "good" ZIP codes
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 08:37 AM
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68. "DLC and corporate kool aid"
So DK would be winning if it wasnt for that darn corporate kool aid?

Good luck with that!
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:27 PM
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36. Progressive+DLC=BS
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:43 PM
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38. I agree with you there.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:03 PM
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74. But..but....she's skipping the DLC meeting!!!!!! :sarcasm:
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:45 PM
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39. This is the most outrageous statement she has ever made...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:51 PM
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44. I liked the question because it was a window into how the candidate views herself.
But, of course, I immediately knew it would be used as ammunition against her here.

I seriously doubt there is ANYTHING Hillary could say or do that would be exempt from negative spin.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:59 PM
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45. I'm curious to know what modern progressive means. nm
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:51 AM
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56. A progressive 100+ years removed from the classic progressive era.
No brainer. She said as much last night.

Sorry, folks, based on the true definition of the term, and not the "progressive" definition, Clinton is very much a progressive.
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:41 AM
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57. It is the opposite of an old fashoned progressive.
Would an old fashioned progressive be a Goldwater Republican?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:33 AM
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49. I thought it was a good answer. eom
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:39 AM
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50. Hillary is about as progressive as Cheney is
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:53 AM
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58. I've told you a million times,do not exaggerate!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:29 AM
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53. I can call myself skinny, but it doesn't make it so. nt
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:55 AM
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59. I didn't know progressive meant Goldwater republican these days
But hey,whatever puts the peas in her pod.
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:34 PM
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62. No. That's an old fashioned progressive not a modern progressive.
Oh no! More nuances!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:51 PM
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63. I'm so confused.
:freak:

:)
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:54 PM
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64. Not surprising, since the DLC has the "Progressive Policy Institute."
Orwellian, isn't it?

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 11:58 AM
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70. Sounds Like Howard Dean Saying
he was a member of the Democratic wing of the Democratic party. I love Howard, but it's pretty close to the same thing. Run left in the primaries, center in the general.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:03 PM
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71. same here. I want my democrats to be democrats. Not DLC
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:40 PM
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72. "Modern progressive" sounds dismissive to me!!! Like "old Europe"
She apparently differentiates between people like ME who are progressive ie, not buying into this DLC, Bush-lite crap, and people like HER, who is totally bought.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:46 PM
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73. She's a modern progressive.
That's like a regular progressive, only not.
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