Would this kill the Obama campaign?

[SaveElmer]

Colin Powell May "Join Forces" With Obama

The London Telegraph is reporting in their Sunday edition that former Sec. of State Collin Powell, who built the case for the Bush invasion of Iraq, may be close to "joining forces" with Sen. Barack Obama. Powell, whose discredited testimony before the United Nations helped sell the war to Congress and the American public, ruled out being on a ticket with Obama for vice president but did not rule a high ranking position in an Obama administration.

http://bluesunbelt.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=704

[NYCGirl]

1. No. Don't underestimate just how popular Colin Powell still is. NT

[SaveElmer]

You think he is popular with Democrats?...nt

[NYCGirl]

6. I think he's popular across a broad range of voters, although the "lefter" you

are, not so much. But when you get into that territory, H. Clinton is not too popular.

[KittyWampus]

14. I think this bullshit article with no attribution for the info is just that - BULLSHIT

tell you what.

Prove this is a true story by providing actual quotes from anyone within Obama's campaign and then we can have a reasonable chat.

[SaveElmer]

36. Evidence, citation?

When did THAT become the standard on DU...

If that were the case virtually all Hillary bashing would cease!!!

[Nedsdag]

54. If Powell had decided to run for President in 1996,

he would've beaten Clinton. He was that popular.

People (albeit not in DU) still respect Colin Powell in spite of the UN fiasco. After all, he was the one who brought up the "Pottery Barn" scenario: "If you break it, it's yours."

[Ethelk2044]

57. I agree with you there. He would have won hands down.

[Hippo_Tron]

81. I don't think you could definitely say he would've beaten Clinton

However, he would've done a hell of a lot better than more formidable than Dole.

[Awsi Dooger]

126. He would not have defeated Clinton in '96

People love to underestimate the power of incumbency. Especially a presidential incumbent with his party in power only one term. That is a severely favorable scenario. Clinton had a huge war chest and would have attacked and redefined Powell very early.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

82. That was before he was a war criminal. I thought Obama was pure on the war btw?

Now the allegedly pure Messiah is in bed with a war criminal? :eyes:

[hlthe2b]

16. He is still given the benefit of the doubt by many Dems...

because of his prior stature, and undoubtedly because he is so comparatively more "sane" and "honest" than anyone in the Bush* administration...

That may not be saying much for the minority of Dem/progressives that fully understand Colin Powell's persona and misdeeds--dating back to his cover up of Mai Lai massacre, but most on the Left are not that well informed, unfortunately...

[AlinPA]

55. Too bad though, that so many are taken in by that liar. He joined with Karl Rove

to sell the war and people are like sheep saying "oh, he just had bad information, and it wasn't his fault"

[draft_mario_cuomo]

80. Obama supporters: working with a war criminal is fine if it wins votes

This seems to be a fairly common position among Obama supporters. Is this the "new politics" they speak of? Sinking so low that even using a war criminal to win is acceptable?

[ChiciB1]

101. I Would Dare Say... It Tops Hair Cuts & New Houses.. At Least

for me!!! I'm sure there are many many places you can GOOGLE and get the "skinny" about Powell!!

[Captain_Nemo]

110. What planet are you on? Colin is toast.

[Tellurian]

112. I agree, Powell is radio-active...

and good in one respect where his history is pretty common knowledge. The fact is, the Neocons need one of their own openly on the inside. I've said it over and over again, Obama is controlled/shilling for the Republicans and they need a staging person..re: Powell or someone like him to handle his campaign directly from the WH...They need a secure line directly to Obama with no security breaches...and Powell is prime for this job.

[Captain_Nemo]

124. Interesting idea.

:think:

[Tellurian]

130. What amazes me is..

the arrogance of it all.. They've cast stealth to the wind and feel confident enough to say, "who cares" if they see or know what we are planning.. Red Flag time there. Wondering if there is wording we are not aware of put into the shredded Constitution consisting of an interpretation of a transfer of Power (by decree vis/vis signing) of the current dictatorship. As mentioned here: In case you missed this, used as the premise for Conason's book. OR, Plan B Martial Law.

[ElizabethDC]

2. No, I don't think so.

I think most people out there don't think Powell is that bad of a guy.

[acmavm]

8. And I think you're wrong. People of my generation remember his as the

official liar of the My Lai massacre.

Younger people remember him as the lying bastard who sat there at the UN and held up vials and lied about Iraq having WMDs.

Powell is poison.

[ElizabethDC]

15. In my experience, people feel neutral about him

I don't know. In my daily life, I just don't hear a lot of people being mad at him, but I do hear some occasional praise. What I hear a lot is that he was a good guy who got sucked into a bad situation (I'm not saying I agree, just what I hear others saying). Most folks my age (20s) aren't really aware of his involvement with My Lai (heck, how many people my age even know what that is?)

[sandnsea]

30. No we really don't

Some people really over-estimate what most people know or can remember. 95% of people would be hard pressed to remember what My Lai was even about, let along who was involved in it.

[ChiciB1]

100. DITTO, DITTO, DITTO... Oh, I Just Had To Add To Your Post Even

though I already posted! He's no good!!

[Captain_Nemo]

116. Yes, an opportunist who licked Bush's boots and lied for him to the UN....Yeech

[mnhtnbb]

3. Not a plus, IMO

[madrchsod]

4. yes- but it does`t matter

the polls point to hillary is to far ahead for obama to catch her. game set and match

[TeamJordan23]

5. Another recycled posting

Nice one Elmer.

[elocs]

78. DU believes in recycling.

The same topic for Breaking News today will be a post tomorrow and maybe the next day. People saying the same things the same way, the same things in sometimes different and interesting ways, over and over again.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. You wish.

But even though Powell has a lotta 'splainin' to do, he won't take Obama's campaign down.

By the way -- don't we all think it's just *special* when a vocal advocate for Candidate A eagerly posts an article or a poll or an editorial about the impending collapse of Candidate B, "just to keep us informed"?

Please. Stop it. It's getting old, already; and no one is going to change their mind by this kind of message-board-spamming anyhow.

[William769]

9. Nothing would make me happier than to see Powell Join the Obama team.

[jefferson_dem]

23. Marked for my "predictions to be regretted" folder.

:bounce:

[William769]

25. Good.

I also have it bookmarked!

[jefferson_dem]

43. So there!

:hi:

[William769]

51. Back atcha!

:hi:

[AlinPA]

58. So that he would lose the primary, right?

[William769]

62. I thought what I posted is what you all wanted to hear.

I guess, I damned if I do and damned if I don't. :shrug:

[illinoisprogressive]

10. this is not more than speculation. Powell has talked to both sides. big duh.

[Kingstree]

11. Another Recycled piece from a Hillary Supporter

This is getting old very fast.

[KittyWampus]

12. The Telegraph is a rightwing rag. This Powell story's either made up or blown out of proportion

intentionally. Either by Clinton's staff feeding crap to newspapers or Rove.

There is no evidence that this is true, unless Obama, an official in his campaign or Powell himself confirms.

[Kingstree]

17. Clinton is getting desperate

[HooptieWagon]

67. and her supporters are getting shrill...n/t

[ElizabethDC]

19. Yeah, I'm really sure they're feeding stuff to the British media

:eyes:

I agree, though, that there isn't any solid evidence that the story is ture.

[Kingstree]

28. This is what they are doing

So - she was paid to lust after Obama and many believe it was Hillary Clinton that paid her.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272614088.shtml

I hope all media outlets are investigating this.

[ElizabethDC]

38. So the Clinton team is feeding stories to the British media AND financing pro-Obama music videos?

I'm not sure how either of those things would really help her campaign.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

83. Anything that shows the Messiah in a bad light is an EVUL HRC plot!

:rofl:

[MethuenProgressive]

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[MethuenProgressive]

13. He's reaching out to the Right wingers - they love Powell.

[NYCGirl]

24. I think you're wrong. The freepers think he's a turncoat, since he called for

closing Guantanamo.

[jefferson_dem]

18. Are you serious? If anything, it lends "credibility" to his campaign.

DUers have their opinions about Powell and so does the general voting population. The most recent measurements (nothing since '04) show Powell's favorability in the high 60s and up.

http://www.pollingreport.com/P.htm

Besides, if "they" really thought it would hurt Obama's chances, would "they" be so public about Colin's support.

Bottom line - Colin serves as a HUGE net positive.

[Kingstree]

22. Which will aid in his campaign

[jefferson_dem]

29. Of course, it will. The only ones who deny that are "feigning outrage"

when, inside, they were really wishing Colin Powell had joined her...team.

[MethuenProgressive]

26. Obama *needs* credibility - but from Republican Lying Warmonger Powell?

[jefferson_dem]

40. I won't lie. The "experience thing" is Obama's biggest weakness.

Neither will I defend Powell's presentation to the UN nor his acquiescence to Chimp and neo-con death merchants. He has to live with that...and so do we.

That being said, i believe Powell is a man of sound reason and substance, and i described this in another thread or two. His expertise...and "heftiness"...will only serve to help Obama's election efforts.

[Kingstree]

46. Point on

[AlinPA]

60. Pretty hard to live with a proven liar. The whole world watched him lie.

[William769]

65. The whole world watched him lie about sex.

Which is why most everyone supported him. Also let us not forget that he had one of the highest approval ratings when leaving office (more than 39 other Presidents and considering there have only been 43), need I say more?

[AlinPA]

129. I'm talking about Powell, the liar.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

85. Powell is just as bad as the rest of the Bush warmongers

The hero worship is the only thing preventing some progressives from seeing why a Democratic candidate associating with a war criminal is wrong.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

84. War criminal Powell has no credibility to lend! nt

[AtomicKitten]

20. IMO it would be hugely disappointing to Democrats

who vehemently oppose the war. Obama should consult Wes Clark for advice.

Obama's appeal for many is that he opposed the invasion of Iraq from the get-go. If he chooses to lay down with wolves that is his prerogative but it will severely hamstring the case to vote for him in the primary.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

86. He also endorsed, stumped for Holy Joe over Lamont

Put aside the blinders, folks. Obama is hardly the pure anti-war crusader that the mythology makes him out to be.

[Bullet1987]

90. Who's to say he hasn't talked to Wes Clark?

Besides, Clark has never held elected office. Even though he's a favorite on DU, most people don't see him as a "go to guy." Powell seems like he's trying to position himself for his next J-O-B!!

[William769]

21. Obama Seeks Powell's Advice

June 10, 2007 -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has sought out former Secretary of State Colin Powell for advice on foreign policy matters.
While Powell served in the administrations of two Republican presidents, he said Sunday it was too early in the 2008 race to say whether he would back the GOP nominee.
"I'm going to support the best person that I can find who will lead this country for the eight years beginning in January of 2009," Powell said.
Powell was secretary of state under President Bush and Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman for the first President Bush.

http://www.iowavotes2008.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1040&Itemid=37

Great person to get advice from, don't you think?

[sandnsea]

27. Still banging that tired old drum? ROTFLMAO

:rofl:

[SaveElmer]

32. You must be thinking of someone else...

First post ever by me on the Obama-Powell link...

Unless you are referring generically to Hillary as an "Old Drum" in which case, still keepin that winning beat rolling....

[Kingstree]

35. Re hashed. They talked about Obama and Powell yesterday

and Friday. This gets old really quick.

[NYCGirl]

48. I can't wait for the "Powell considers adopting Obama as his Son" threads!

:evilgrin:

[Tellurian]

115. Ahem...anyone over 25 is considered old here..

just ask illanoyanceregressive! CK out post #112

[whistle]

31. Well if Obama considers Powell as a running mate it would finish it

...with any southern Republican crossover votes, but as an adviser on foreign policy or as a potential cabinet member exclusive of Secretary of State it would be an asset although I'm not so sure Powell has any of those political aspirations

[rep the dems]

33. What is with all the Obama hating today?

Fighting amongst ourselves is just what the terrorists, I mean Republicans, want!

[sandnsea]

70. Been going on for days

It's primarily Hillary supporters grasping at any ridiculous straw to trash her opponents.

[rep the dems]

105. Very sad. nt

[Captain_Nemo]

113. I guess you aren't used to it. Senator Clinton has been called a whore, repeatedly, on DU. She

has been called a phoney, a liar , a warmonger. I have listened to incessant raving about the sound of her voice (real mature). And, we, the supporters have been called Hillarybots. I myself was called an idiot.

All we're saying here is that he is playing dirty tricks and he has betrayed his integrity.

[rep the dems]

134. By making thread after thread trashing Obama?

Interesting technique.

[MethuenProgressive]

34. Obamaramas - you need to get your spin straight on this one!

Half of you are crying that this story is a hateful lie designed to destroy your guy,
and the other half are crying that not only is it true, but your guy is brilliant for doing it!
:rofl:

[Kingstree]

39. There is no spin. It will not hurt Obama period.

[MethuenProgressive]

47. "no spin"? 1/2 are spinning it's a foul lie, & 1/2 are spinning it's a brilliant idea!

You guys are so funny!!

[NYCGirl]

50. See Response #44. NT

[Captain_Nemo]

114. It already has.

A New Kind of Politics Closely Resembles the Old
By JEFF ZELENY
~snip~
“As representatives of the Indian-American community, we have been
encouraged by your message of inclusion and your promise to bring a new kind
of politics to our country,” Sanjay Puri, chairman of the US India Political
Action Committee, said in a letter to Mr. Obama. “This is why we are so
concerned about media reports indicating your staff may be engaging in the
worst kind of anti-Indian-American stereotyping."

[TeamJordan23]

42. Listening to advice does not mean that you WILL FOLLOW ALL OF IT

Every candidate gets advice from various people, ultimately it is the candidate who makes the final decision. We all know Obama and Powell had different views on the Iraq War. So did Obama and many of the Dem candidates. But that doesn't mean that should not seek his advice. Powell, as much as he was wrong on the Iraq War, is very knowledgeable about foreign affairs.

And I'm sure there are things that Obama (and Dems) agree with Powell on: closing Gitmo, being against torture, engaging in talks with Syria & Iran, calling it a Civil War in Iraq, etc..

Open up your mind. If you want to surround or only seek advice from people that agree with you on everything, you are no different than George W.

[NYCGirl]

44. This is the part that's questionable:

"ruled out being on a ticket with Obama for vice president but did not rule a high ranking position in an Obama administration". Was he asked by Obama to be on a ticket? I don't think so.

Sure, they met twice. There is no problem with that.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

87. Good observation

:rofl:

[Capn Sunshine]

37. Powell has a lot to answer for

That said, his popularity with the huge swath of republicans up for grabs this time around could only help.

[HereSince1628]

49. Yes he does. All the way back to a little village in Vietnam.

IMO Colin Powell is a negative I couldn't get past.

[NYCGirl]

53. Did you know Bill Clinton awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1993? NT

[William769]

71. Did you know he also gave it to Wesley Clark?

[NYCGirl]

72. Goody. Glad to see you here sticking up for Powell.

:evilgrin:

[William769]

76. I don't know how you got that.

I was never a friend or foe of Powells till 2003. Then I became a foe.

[HereSince1628]

79. White-wash Mai Lai, whitewash WMD in Iraq. The quy hasn't changed.

He hadn't even been in the unit at the time of the Mai Lai massacre yet he found it important to say that US servicemen in that unit responsible and the Vietnamese had excellent(!) relationships.

He made outrageous claims at the UN knowing that what he was saying was at best suspect and at worst just plain fabricated falsehoods.

Unless I was planning on painting a fence in Hannibal Missouri, I'd not want him around.

[kurth]

45. Colin Powell was the most important rubber stamp for Bush's war

There is no place for him in any Democratic administration.

[blm]

75. Bill Clinton publicly supporting Bush on terrorism strategy and Iraq was more effective

with Democrats, American public, and other world leaders at the UN than Powell following orders from Bush.

[blm]

52. Obama talks privately w/Powell and it's more harmful than Clintons' PUBLIC support for Bushes?

Powell worked for the Bush Crime Family but the Bushes don't?

[Ethelk2044]

56. Crazy makes you think doesn't it. The Logic does not make sense.

[TeamJordan23]

59. Yep, shouldn't all Anti-Obama Hillary Supporters be crying about Bill and George HW's relationship

Personally, I don't mind Bill and George HW being good friends. But Clinton supporters shouldn't be hypocrites about Obama and Powell talking.

[Name removed]

61. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Ethelk2044]

63. This is a good Point

[MethuenProgressive]

69. Another recycled posting - nice one Team

:boring:

[TeamJordan23]

77. Much better than recycling a whole thread?

[Captain_Nemo]

117. Apples and Oranges. Who is running for President here???

[HooptieWagon]

64. "Would this kill the Obama campaign?"

No, but puke-esque fear-mongering from the corporate/DLC HRC campaign will turn off progresive Dems from voting for her in the general.

[TeamJordan23]

66. I agree. NT

[MethuenProgressive]

68. Hold on - "wah! wah! re-hashing isn't fair!!"??

That's a third kind of spin on this one...
So, the DUObamas won't ever again mention anything about Clinton that's older than yesterady?
That'll leave them with no choice! They'll have to start posting about their own guy!

[ElizabethDC]

73. Yeah, the Obama supporters use the re-hashing just as much as anybody else

I've seen a certain SC poll that was posted at least 3 times today. Hillary articles and stories get re-hashed all the time.

In general, people should maybe scroll down the page or do a search to see if something has been posted before.

[Ethelk2044]

74. For the last 4 days they have been rehasing the same old information

[Captain_Nemo]

111. We are getting to the heart of Barack Obama.

He doesn't deserve the presidency.

Hillary '08

June 16, 2007
Political Memo

A New Kind of Politics Closely Resembles the Old
By JEFF ZELENY
~snip~
"For the Clinton campaign, drawing attention to a document attacking its own
candidate had the effect of demonstrating that Mr. Obama, like other
candidates, is not above a bit of political street fighting and, by
implication, should not be allowed to cast himself as a champion of a purer
version of public service. But in this case, the disclosure also threatened
to create a substantive problem for Mr. Obama by leading an Indian-American
group to accuse Mr. Obama of engaging in racial stereotyping.

“As representatives of the Indian-American community, we have been
encouraged by your message of inclusion and your promise to bring a new kind
of politics to our country,” Sanjay Puri, chairman of the US India Political
Action Committee, said in a letter to Mr. Obama. “This is why we are so
concerned about media reports indicating your staff may be engaging in the
worst kind of anti-Indian-American stereotyping."

[Tellurian]

118. Yes, the Mystery Man behind the Mask!

and it ain't lookin too pretty!

[Captain_Nemo]

119. funny n/t

[jefferson_dem]

120. I know Hillaryphiles are desperate to dig up dirt to try to deflect from her character problems...

but what does this article have to do with the OP in this thread?

[Captain_Nemo]

121. It talked about how he was deceptive and the act insulted people . Will it kill the

campaign? I don't know if it will kill it. It is one thing that has damaged him. It has revealed something about him. Now is the time to look deeper. Past the inspiring speeches.

This memo was a big screw up. It shows his desperation. Attack her...isntead of "Stand on the issues."

[draft_mario_cuomo]

88. Besides Obama, are any other Dem candidates consulting with war criminals?

Let's hope none of our other candidates are so desperate and of poor judgment to need a war criminal to tell them what they should do.

[TeamJordan23]

89. Can you define War Criminal?

I am interested in your definition of war criminal?

And what do you call those people who voted for the war and stayed silent when military attacks started?

[jefferson_dem]

91. Anyone who supported and / or promoted the war...

unless they are the poster's preferred candidate. :shrug:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

94. You can't compare HRC to Powell, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith, Bush and co. nt

[TeamJordan23]

95. Give your definition of War Criminal?

If Powell is a Neo-Con, why doesn't he approve of military actions/invasion against Iran right now?

[Ethelk2044]

96. Yes, you can when she voted for the war and she went out on the

limb and spoke up for the war.
http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html


I am honored to represent nearly 19 million New Yorkers, a thoughtful democracy of voices and opinions who make themselves heard on the great issues of our day especially this one. Many have contacted my office about this resolution, both in support of and in opposition to it, and I am grateful to all who have expressed an opinion.

I also greatly respect the differing opinions within this body. The debate they engender will aid our search for a wise, effective policy. Therefore, on no account should dissent be discouraged or disparaged. It is central to our freedom and to our progress, for on more than one occasion, history has proven our great dissenters to be right.

Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980's, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran

[jefferson_dem]

97. No more than you can compare Powell to Cheney, Wolfie, Feith, and Bush.

n/t

[jefferson_dem]

98. If you recall, Powell called the neo-con contingent "fucking crazies"...

"FUCKING CRAZIES"....Oh boy! Another new book! This one, called The Accidental American: Tony Blair and the Presidency, says that Colin Powell had some unkind things to say last year about his colleagues in the Bush administration:

A furious row has broken out over claims in a new book by BBC broadcaster James Naughtie that US Secretary of State Colin Powell described neo-conservatives in the Bush administration as 'fucking crazies' during the build-up to war in Iraq.

Powell's extraordinary outburst is alleged to have taken place during a telephone conversation with Foreign Secretary Jack Straw. The two became close friends during the intense negotiations in the summer of 2002 to build an international coalition for intervention via the United Nations. The 'crazies' are said to be Vice-President Dick Cheney, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz.

http://www2.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_09/004675.php

[mnhtnbb]

92. For comparison, here's a list of Edwards' military advisors

http://johnedwards.com/news/headlines/20070523-military-advisory-group/

[draft_mario_cuomo]

93. Thanks. No neocons on that list nt

[Capn Sunshine]

123. You mean like Murdock?

the propagandameister who single-handedly changed MSM into the compliant lap dog of the corporate interests?

He's as big if not bigger, than the guy who lied to the UN.
The difference being Murdock gave Hillary a SHITLOAD OF MONEY AND SUPPORT.

[ChiciB1]

99. Don't Know The Answer To The Question... But For Me, Powell Is A

WAR CRIMINAL! From Viet Nam to Iraq! I CAN'T do Obama if Powell is on board! Sorry, but Colin Powell was/is the KEY to blowing so many things wide open about the current CORRUPT EVIL DOERS who have ruined America!!

Why is Powell so willing to "come out" of hiding NOW??? If there ever was an OPPORTUNIST, this is THE MAN!!! He's NO hero, and he ain't no friend of mine!!! Or of America!! He slinks away when it gets rough then comes back when he thinks it's safe and it's ALL BETTER for him!

I really dislike Colin Powell and was NEVER fooled by his presentations of himself! And this has NOTHING to do with race... it's simply about integrity! I do know he worked hard to get where he got, but when he got there.... he called him self a Repuke and well 'nuff said' from me!

[Mark Twain Girl]

102. Huh. Meet the new boss... same as the old boss. n/t

[Alexander]

103. Some pro-Hillary nobody on a liberal message board? *snort* You're funny.

I'm sure the Obama campaign is scared shitless of you.

:rofl:

Get back to me when Colin Powell is hated just as much as Bush.

[jefferson_dem]

106. True. We all must step outside our small circle here from time to time

and consider the big picture.

Truth is, Colin Powell is one of the most admired and respected political figures in the country today.

[PurityOfEssence]

104. That would be about the stupidest thing Obama could do

First, one has to get nominated, and the Democratic base is disgusted with and feels betrayed by Powell. Powell's sucking up and allowing himself to be used by Bush and his junta are a colossal flame-out; here was a guy with broad appeal and he allowed himself to be totally used by people who didn't give a damn about him. It shows him to be duplicitous and a complete fool.

His reputation was what made that U.N. work at all and he's got the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on his hands.

If Obama did this, he'd gain NOTHING in the primary scuffles and he'd lose plenty.

It would be idiotic, and would show him to have about as much political sense as Powell himself.

[election_2004]

107. I don't think a President Obama would offer Powell a cabinet slot

I do, however, think Powell may offer Obama some low-key support as the primaries grow nearer, to encourage moderates and Independents to cross over into the Democratic primaries.

[jefferson_dem]

109. That could be just the ticket in a place like NH, which has an open primary so

the independents are basically up for grabs.

[jcrew2001]

108. How about an Obama/Powell ticket - whoa!

2 minorities on the same ticket!

[snowbear]

122. Ah c'mon Jc... I thought we finally had you talked into Clark as VP?

Or was I just dreaming?

~~~~~

[jcrew2001]

135. i've always said Clark should accept the VP if offered

and that it would help Dems win the general election. I don't know why some Clarkies think he should turn it down "because the job doesn't suit his strengths." But if it were Obama/Clark - that will make Clark similar to Cheney - and the VP job has no duties other than what the President gives him, and Clark can expect foreign policy control from Obama - making him "dick cheney" - someone who he didn't want to be.

Colin Powell would probably bring over more Swing Republicans - It would be quite incredible to have an Obama/Powell ticket.

[calteacherguy]

125. I think Powell would make a great additon to any administration.

Sure, he was used and has made mistakes, but he also is a fine diplomat with a lot of knowledge and experience in foreign afffairs. With an honest administration who respected him, he would shine.

[Captain_Nemo]

131. He was used and he knew it. To imply he was used unknowingly is an insult to his intelligence

he made a calculated move to to be loyal. It cost our country big time. Totally unethical and self serving.

[CTLawGuy]

127. A certain Clinton Adviser

told a very high profile lie about his sexual dealings, he signed DOMA-putting a major obstacle in the way of the gay rights movement, signed NAFTA and PNTR with China, executed a mentally retarded man in a showmanlike fashion during his first campaign, and implemented Republican welfare "reform."

Will this kill Hillary's campaign :eyes:

[bigdarryl]

128. Don't tell Bill and Hillary this they will be UPSET

[UrbScotty]

132. Well, Obama OPPOOSED the war. Hillary and Edwards????? (nt)

[tammywammy]

133. No, I don't think so

While many on DU hate Powell, he holds great sway with the general public. He could have easily become president in 1996.

I admire Obama's willingness to reach across the various spectrum of policy and learn the different sides. It shows to me, that he's not always going to be hard-nose and "I'm always right" like the was Bush is.

Also, until I read from someone in Obama's campaign that Powell's joining, I'll take it with a grain of salt. As I said before in a previous thread, talking to someone twice doesn't consitiute automatically joining forces or the dark side. I'd be much more worried/disgusted if Obama was having talks with Albright or Rice.

[Phoonzang]

136. No....no it wouldn't. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

137. Only in YOUR dreams SaveElmer.

:P

[realbluesky]

138. Yes...and I would work actively against it

Colin Powell is a low-life scumbag with blood on his hands. A lap-dog to an imbecile.

[zulchzulu]

139. Believe it or not, Powell is still respected as a military advisor

He was told by Tenent that the WMD evidence was a "slam dunk". He didn't believe it and made sure Tenent was right behind him when he went to the UN.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,967548,00.html

I put Powell in the same general category as John Murtha. Both were duped and now want to get the hell out of there...