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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:09 PM
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HILLARY CLINTON (D-PUNJAB)'S PERSONAL FINANCIAL AND POLITICAL TIES TO INDIA
I'm no fan of Hillary, but I find this memo disturbingly racist. I'm sure Obama himself had nothing to do with it. But I'm also pretty sure he will need to do more to distance himself from its tone, lest he loose support in Indian American community and elsewhere . . .

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/memo...

HILLARY CLINTON (D-PUNJAB)'S PERSONAL FINANCIAL AND POLITICAL TIES TO INDIA The Clintons have reaped significant financial rewards from their relationship with the Indian community, both in their personal finances and Hillary's campaign fundraising. Hillary Clinton, who is the co-chair of the Senate India Caucus, has drawn criticism from anti-offshoring groups for her vocal support of Indian business and unwillingness to protect American jobs. Bill Clinton has invested tens of thousands of dollars in an Indian bill payment company, while Hillary Clinton has taken tens of thousands from companies that outsource jobs to India. Workers who have been laid off in upstate New York might not think that her recent joke that she could be elected to the Senate seat in Punjab is that funny.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY PERSONAL HOLDINGS 2006: Bill Clinton Invested Tens of Thousands In An Indian Bill Payment Company. According to Hillary Clinton's personal financial disclosure form, as part his ownership of WJC Investments, LP LLC, Bill Clinton held between $15,001 and $50,000 worth of stock in Easy Bill Limited, an Indian company. According to the company's website, "Functioning as a one-stop bill payment shop, Easy Bill facilitates payment of utility bills as well as recharging of pre-paid mobile connections at a place the consumer is already familiar and comfortable with the neighbourhood store." In addition to providing terminals throughout India where customers may pay their bills, the company also maintains a call center described as "a dedicated response centre for efficient customer service." http://www.easybillindia.com />

2006: Bill Clinton Collected $300,000 From Cisco In 2006. Hillary's personal financial disclosure forms indicate that Bill Clinton gave two speeches to Cisco Systems, each for $150,000 on 5/18/06 and 8/17/06.

CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISING Hillary Clinton Accepted Almost $60,000 In Contributions From Employees Of Cisco Systems, Which Laid Off American Workers to Hire Indian "Techies." Clinton's Presidential Exploratory Committee took $39,450 from Cisco employees during the first quarter of 2007. Cisco employees have also donated $18,900 to Clinton's Senate committee between 1999 and 2006. Forbes reported, in a feature called "A Tale of Two Cities" that Cisco was laying off $60,000-a-year "techies," while hiring new employees in Bangalore, India. "Cisco used only a few Infosys workers in Bangalore six years ago ; almost 300 contract staff, plus 550 full-fledged employees in its own Bangalore office." In 2006, Newsweek reported that "for Cisco, India is the new frontier, where it's investing $1.2 billion to build a gleaming R&D campus that will employ 3,000 people."

Clinton Donor, Sant Singh Chatwal, Cited Clinton's India Caucus Work Vowed To Raise $5 Million. In March 2007, the Economic Times wrote, " has roped in New York-based hotelier Sant Chatwal as co-chair of her recently formed presidential exploratory committee to run for the 2008 White House race. <> He is also creating an organization called Indian Americans for Hillary 2008." In April 2007, Mangalorean reported that Indian Americans for Hillary 2008 (IAFH) had already raised $1 million and "aimed to raise at least five million dollars." A major fund raiser on June 24 hosted by Chatwal, the founder of IAFH; steel baron, Lakshmi Mittal, and businessman SP Hindujas, was expected to pull more than 1,000 guests. In June 2007, The New York Times reported that "two Indo-American receptions have a total of $450,000 in commitments." In the picture (right), Sen. Clinton speaks at a reception hosted to push forward the US-India nuclear deal while Sant Singh Chatwal listens carefully.

Chatwal Owed The City Of New York More Than $2 Million In Back Taxes, Fled Prosecution For Fraud But Was Arrested During Visit to India With Bill Clinton. Sant Singh Chatwal, who raised more $200,000 for Sen. Clinton in 2000, owed New York City $2.4 million in back property taxes. In addition, during a visit to India with Bill Clinton, in May 2001, Chatwal was arrested by authorities there and charged with defrauding the New York City branch of the Bank of India out of $9 million he borrowed in 1994. He posted bail, then fled India, boarding a flight to Vienna despite an attempt by authorities to detain him. .

FDIC Charged Chatwal With Obtaining Improper Loans. In a separate 1996 case, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. charged Chatwal with obtaining improper loans from the First New York Bank for Business, causing the bank to lose more than $25 million. Chatwal, who was a director of the bank, arranged more than $14 million in loans to himself and his businesses, often with no collateral, said the FDIC. He didn't repay the loans and the bank failed.

CLINTON AND THE SENATE INDIA CAUCUS Clinton Co-Founded The Senate India Caucus, A Project Of The U.S. India Political Action Committee. In 2004, Clinton co-founded and became the co-chair of the Senate India Caucus which was coordinated by the U.S. India Political Action Committee (USINPAC). Roll Call reported, "The goals of the caucus, which already has 31 members, include increasing trade with India and improving security against global terrorism." Sen. Clinton said, "It is imperative that the Unites States do everything possible to reach out to India. This Caucus is dedicated to expanding areas of agreement with India and engaging in a candid dialogue of differences."

CLINTON WINS "WEASEL AWARD" FOR COMMENTS ON INDIA 2005: Anti-Offshoring Advocacy Group Gave Sen. Clinton A "Weasel Award," Citing Pro-Outsourcing Comments Clinton Made In India. The Press Trust of India wrote, "An American anti-offshoring advocacy group has awarded its first Weasel Award of 2005' to Democrat Senator Hillary Clinton for her recent remarks supporting outsourcing. The Delaware-based IT Professionals Association of America (ITPAA) representing over 1,200 IT professionals nationwide, said on its Web site that it presented this award to business and political leaders that it believes betray the trust of the American people.' Scott Kirwin, founder of the organization claimed that people were tired of Democrats pretending they care about the problems facing average Americans. Senator Clinton's actions prove they clearly do not.' The ITPAA based its award on press reports of Hilary Clinton supporting outsourcing and assuring political and business leaders in India that the US would not attempt to save the jobs lost. Outsourcing will continue. There is no way to legislate against reality. We are not in favor of putting up fences.' Hillary had said on Feb 28 in India, according to a report by the Asia Times. Kirwin also cited her position as co-chair of the Friends of India Caucus' in the Senate, a group of senators that supports issues important to India, including outsourcing and H-1B and L-1 visas, as another reason behind the ITPAA's decision to give the award to the prospective Democrat presidential nominee."

2/05: On India Trip, Clinton Allayed India's Fears That Outsourcing Would End. The India Review wrote, "Senator Clinton allayed apprehensions in India that there would be a bar on outsourcing. There is no way to legislate against reality. Outsourcing will continue," she said.

Sen. Clinton (D-Punjab) Joked That She Was Senator From The Punjab Region In India. "At the fundraiser hosted by Dr Rajwant Singh at his Potomac, Maryland, home, and which raised nearly $50,000 for her re-election campaign, Clinton began by joking that, 'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily,' after being introduced by Singh as the Senator not only from New York but also Punjab."

CLINTON CLAIMS OUTSOURCING "WORKS BOTH WAYSIT ACTUALLY BROUGHT JOBS TO BUFFALO." Clinton Says "Outsourcing Does Work Both Ways." Crain's New York Business wrote, "Mrs. Clinton may be motivated by a desire to uphold the free trade legacy of the Clinton years. <> In an appearance on CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, she boasted about attracting 10 jobs to New York from India-based Tata Consulting. When Mr. Dobbs inquired if she had understood the degree to which Tata, which helps U.S. companies outsource, was stealing American jobs, Mrs. Clinton rejoined: They've actually brought jobs to Buffalo. Outsourcing does work both ways.'" In An Interview With Lou Dobbs, Senator Clinton Defended Her Support Of Tata Consulting, A Company That Brought Ten Jobs To Native Buffalo Residents But Destroyed Thousands Of Jobs Over The Years. Lou Dobbs asked Clinton, "Senator, a number of people pointed out to us, e-mailing us and calling us, saying, ask the senator about her helping Tata Consulting, a well-known outsourcer, open jobs -- and office in Buffalo, New York. I'm asking you, did you really understand the degree to which they were involved in outsourcing jobs when you were there?" Clinton replied, "Well, of course I know that they outsource jobs, that they've actually brought jobs to Buffalo. They've created 10 jobs in Buffalo and have told me and the Buffalo community that they intend to be a source of new jobs in the area, because, you know, outsourcing does work both ways." Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) Is Famous For Pioneering The Business Practice Of Off-shoring. The San Jose Mercury News wrote, "TCS, however, will go down in the annals of offshoring as the original high-tech body shop. Starting in the early 1990s, TCS blanketed the American landscape with legions of itinerant software programmers from India. <> Tata pioneered an industry that eventually evolved into the dynamo of offshoring, or sending work to cheap labor markets overseas. <> Tata's methods have not been popular among U.S. technology workers, however, who complain guest workers suppress local wages and offshoring takes good jobs overseas."

Tata's Buffalo, N.Y. Training Center Caters To The Needs Of The Company's 8,000 Employees In The United States, 80 Percent Of Whom Are Workers From India. India Abroad wrote, "At the Chrysalis Center TCS will host new employees in month-long training sessions to make them aware of the company's history and culture and to hone their core IT skills that will bridge existing knowledge with advanced skills necessary to work on innovative projects for customers." The center will also cater to the training needs of the more than 8,000 TCS employees across the US, 80 percent of whom are from India, according to Buffalo News. Gupta Said Democrats' Stand On Outsourcing Was Poll-Year Rhetoric. The Economic Times wrote, "Vinod Vin' Gupta <> also believes that the Democratic Party's stand on outsourcing is more poll year rhetoric than any serious economic policy statement. We have to compete globally and US has to find the best product and services at the best cost. Tapping global resources will obviously make the US economy stronger,' says Gupta whose own company InfoUSA outsources both technology support and database work to vendors in India. Gupta, who has helped Hillary Clinton and Al Gore in fund-raising efforts for their campaigns, is now involved in fund raising efforts for Senator Kerry."
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StudentsMustUniteNow Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:13 PM
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1. 
What's racist?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:16 PM
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3. Reverse it...what if Hillary came out with a memo highlighting Obama's race...
And called him "Senator Obama (D-Harlem), or Senator Obama (D-Compton)...

What do you think the reaction would be...?

(h/t to wmtriallawyer at Kos)


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StudentsMustUniteNow Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:18 PM
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4. I've never defended Obama before, but I find your suggestion idiotic
1. Harlem and Compton are AMERICAN cities
2. Obama is not advocating for policies that would benefit Harlem and Compton at the great expense of American workers and unions.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:21 PM
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6. First...not original with me...
And second, the point is not policy, the point is making a joke at the expense of someone based on nationality or race...


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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:24 PM
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9. "the point is making a joke at the expense of someone based on nationality or race"
It is ironic to see a HRC supporter say this...
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:25 PM
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12. Really...
And link to where I made fun of someone's nationality or race...
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:36 PM
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24. Not you. HRC
Of course, as the Obama campaign itself would point out, HRC has been forgiven by the group to the point that she, according to Obama camp, is with them. Let's see if there is a backlash for this. Obama is smart. He chose to go after a relatively weak group. Still, this group is affluent and growing and let's hope he pays a price for this in some key states...
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:55 PM
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38. Racist you are full of Bull Shit. You are so afraid that he is coming
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 03:57 PM by Ethelk2044
UP in the polls. I have notice you have been posting more and more Bullshit.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:24 PM
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58. How is race-baiting not racist? nt
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:25 PM
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60. Exactly what have I posted that is incorrect...
As Obama's campaign manager says...

I dont know why anybody would take umbrage with us putting out publicly available information.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:30 PM
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19. Devon Ave is in the American city of Chicago . . .
Of which Obama is certainly well aware

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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:54 PM
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37. Since when did SaveElmer had to make sense.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:19 PM
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5. Hillary's words, Elmer
She's the one who said she could become Senator from Punjab. Fair game.

It's funny to watch you hard-headed, chest-thumping, we're the only ones who can beat the VRWC guys play the sensitivity card.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:23 PM
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8. For which she was roundly criticized...correct?
And for which she apologized...correct?

I guess Obama feels then he can make comments like this cause someone else used them first...?

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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:31 PM
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20. Sorry, politics can be so cruel, I thought you guys were supposed to be the experts
Obama's not supposed to link comments like, 'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily,' after being introduced by Singh as the Senator not only from New York but also Punjab," with Hillary's enthusiastic support for outsourcing IT jobs to India, which is bought and paid for?

It would be easier if Obama played with one arm tied behind his back Sorry to disappoint.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:38 PM
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26. If you think the reference is appropriate...
I assume you were not then criticizing Hillary for the original statement?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:24 PM
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10. Actually what's funny...
Is seeing how stunned Obama supporters who make a daily habit of Hillary attacks are when Obama is on the receiving end...

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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:26 PM
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16. It's also funny how Obama's rhetoric about a "new politics" and "unity" is slowly being exposed
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 03:26 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
Race-baiting is hardly a way to achieve unity. :eyes:
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:24 PM
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11. Exactly
Or Obama (D-Africa), Obama (D-Darfur), or the garbage we occasionally see about Lieberman and Israel.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:49 PM
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31. You're right! Just because Hillary is Indian is no reason...

... huh? She's Anglo-American? Oh, then why the reference to Punjab?

Oh, that's right. She said that outsourcing American jobs to the foreign country of India is a good thing. And made a joke about her popularity in India as a result. Okay, the reference makes sense now.

But I don't get the racist angle. It appears to be about outsourcing to a foreign country, not about race. In fact, if they had been assisting the outsourcing of jobs to Ireland instead of India, I bet this memo would have been headlined, "Hillary Clinton (D-Dublin)".


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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:57 PM
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41. She is popular with Indians because she is a senator from NY
NY has a relatively large Indian-American population. HRC has done a good job standing up for Indian-Americans, like she has for other NY ethnics. That is why she is popular among Indian-Americans.

==In fact, if they had been assisting the outsourcing of jobs to Ireland instead of India, I bet this memo would have been headlined, "Hillary Clinton (D-Dublin)".==

Not in a million years. Obama and co. know there is no reservoir of racism toward Irish-Americans from which to draw voters.

What has Obama done about outsourcing?
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:07 PM
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52. What has Obama done?

Fuck if I know. Ask an Obama supporter. But I am calling on bullshit on the racist accusation in this thread.


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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:25 PM
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59. How is race-baiting not racist?
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 04:25 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
Howard Dean himself has spoken of how the repukes used racial appeals to build their majority. Now we have Obama following suit.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:28 PM
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64. Race baiting *is* racist. But I saw nothing about race in that memo.

I saw a lot about corporations and moving jobs to foreign countries. But I didn't see shit about race.


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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:36 PM
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68. "Indian" or "India" is used 48 times in the memo
It is race baiting, pure and simple
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:14 PM
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82. Exactly: HRC is in the pocket of EVUL BROWN PEOPLE! nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 10:22 PM
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 10:31 PM
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106. Sorry, I'm not clever enough to understand what you mean
I'm really totally lost
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:24 PM
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87. I do not see anything saying Obama said anything.
If someone in his campaign did something I am not going to blame him. I will write him and ask him to let the person go. However, I will not say Obama did or said something. Until you are someone else can show me where the words actually came from Obama, I do not feel he race baited anyone. If an employee of his did something I would push for him to let the employee go like Edwards did. You are trying to blame him for something he did not personally do.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:03 PM
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95. This is a classic trick used by the "old politics" of division, er, "unity"
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 06:03 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
"It wasn't me! It was a lowly staffer! Why, I would NEVER approve such attacks!"

Obama is clearly good at doing what he is campaigning against...
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:53 PM
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35. Hillary's Campaign took it would step further She went to FOX
and brought out about where Obama went to school. Of all places an elementary school. Fox brought it up and it was disproven by CNN. So who is the cat calling the wolf black.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:28 PM
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65. A perfect example of what I am talking about...
This story was debunked months ago...The CLinton campaign did not send this to Fox, and Obama did not go to the school that was claimed...

It was a false story originating with the Washington Times online arm...Insight.com...

Christ, it was so transparent that even CNN debunked it...

With Hillary Clinton no source is too discreited to use in an attack on her...


And btw: I vehemently defended not only Hillary when this story was released...but Obama as well...
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:28 PM
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89. I don't know about the cat and the wolf,
but when the kettle lies down with the lamb I'll quit drinking.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:16 PM
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2. Not in favor of India bashing or hatred.
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 03:17 PM by HughBeaumont
I'm also not in favor of and will not support politicians that advocate and enable job-offshoring, as my journal clearly states. Job offshoring is Republican in intent and devestating to it's victims, many of whom never recover their previous salaries. It's no secret Hillary is a fan of free trade and has not addressed onshore worker protection in the current agreements.

This message could have been communicated better without the hate, though.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:22 PM
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7. Did the Obama campaign put this racist piece out there? nt
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:25 PM
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13. It's an Obama campaign memo...
They tried to give the media on the QT...
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:32 PM
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21. Then eff Obama (D-Race-baiter)
I will never support a race-baiter. I don't give a damn if they have a D- next to their name.

What is next? Clinton (D-China)? Clinton (D-Israel)? Hey Barack, how about this one? Clinton (D-Women). Hit all the buttons!
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:25 PM
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14. yes, that is the news . . .
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/15/the-backs... /

* * *

"Mr. Obamas press secretary, Bill Burton, defended the documents, noting that they were simply a compilation of public quotations and information available to anyone with access to the Internet. I dont know why anybody would take umbrage with us putting out publicly available information.

Mr. Burton would not comment when asked why, if that were the case, the campaign would not simply distribute the information under its name.

* * *


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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:25 PM
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15. "Punjab" reference came from a joke Hillary made herself at a fundraiser hosted by an Indian doctor
Of course, the New York Times leaves this pertinent information out of their article--as well as the fact that "all of the points in the oppo doc quote news stories."

The Punjab reference came from a joke Clinton made herself at a fundraiser hosted by an Indian doctor when she said "I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily, after being introduced by Singh as the Senator not only from New York but also Punjab."

Most of the document accuses the Clintons' of investing in Indian companies that outsource jobs to India. One article said Clinton helped outsourcing pioneer Tata Consulting and then quotes her as saying the company "actually brought jobs to Buffalo. Outsourcing does work both ways." Another point said Clinton accepted $60,000 in contributions from employees of Cisco Systems, which laid off American workers to hire Indian "techies." All of the points in the oppo doc quote news stories.

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2007/06/sen_cl ...
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:28 PM
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17. Context matters. This was race-baiting pure and simple
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 03:29 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
This is akin to someone putting out a hit piece that said Clinton (D-Israel). Would we be justifying that? Both cases would refer to their positions regarding different countries but both would also invoke racist feelings toward groups for political gain. She is with THEM, not us REAL AMERICANS.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:56 PM
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40. As opposed to "Lieberman - (I) Israel"?
Just askin'...

Personally, I think ALL of the Dems should refrain from smear pieces. Let's talk about issues and ideas, not smearing each other. It's no secret that Hillary and Obama have no love for each other. It's the old North Side/South Side of Chicago thing. But that doesn't mean that they have to start flinging mud at each other. Save it for the General Election!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:29 PM
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18. So that makes it ok for Obama to do it too...as I recall Hillary was excoriated here...
For that reference...

And it is a reference for which she apologized...correct? And was forgiven for by those to whom she was speaking...correct?

But it is good to see Obama supporters feel they no longer need to maintain the charade of an Obama campaign practicing a different kind of politics...


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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:33 PM
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22. Amen SaveElmer
If the past week has done anything it has shorn the "new politics" clothing Obama was wearing...
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:04 PM
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48. Excuse me I am confused here. Did Obama put a Memo out
Yes or No.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #48
69. Yes
He put out two memos actually. But only one of them employs blatant race-baiting.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/15/the-backs...
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:55 PM
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39. You have a logical disconnect there.

George Allen makes a joking "macaca" reference about a Webb supporter for which he is derided (for racism). Thereafter, DUers start calling him "George 'macaca' Allen" to poke fun at his mistake.

Hillary Clinton makes a "senator from Punjab" joke for which she is derided (for being anti-labor). Obama staffer refers to her as "Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab)" to poke fun at her mistake.


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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. Are these examples racist?
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 04:01 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
McCain (R-Najavos)
McCain (R-Mexico)
Nelson (D-Cuba)
Clinton (D-Israel)
Brown (D-Poland)
Menendez (D-Puerto Rico)
Schumer (D-Italy)
Boxer (D-Mexico)
Murray (D-China)
Obama (D-South Side Chicago)
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:26 PM
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61. Depends. What is the connection in each?

McCain (R-Najavos) - given that the Navajos are constituents of McCain, he SHOULD be representing their interests. So, yeah, I'd call that racist.

McCain (R-Mexico) - if the context was McCain's assistance in outsourcing US jobs to Mexico, then I'd say this is fair game.

Nelson (D-Cuba) - if the context was Nelson's assistance in outsourcing US jobs to Cuba, then I'd say this is fair game.

Clinton (D-Israel) - if the context was Clinton's placing the interests of Israel ahead of that of the United States, then I'd say this is fair game. For the record, I believe US public officials side with Israel because they honestly believe that is in the US's interest, not because they put Israel ahead of the US. But I can see someone making that accusation.

Feingold (D-Israel) - you didn't put this one here, but I will. Given that Feingold hasn't been a leading spokesman for Israel in the Senate, then why would anyone say this except for Feingold being Jewish and they're wanting to appeal to anti-semitism? So this would be racist.

Brown (D-Poland) - if the context...

Menendez (D-Puerto Rico) - given that Puerto Rico is an American territory, then I'd guess this was racist if I ever saw it.

Schumer (D-Italy) - if the context...

Boxer (D-Mexico) - if the context...

Murray (D-China) - if the context...

Obama (D-South Side Chicago) - factually correct. Obama is a Democrat from the South Side of Chicago. However, given that this is a well known code phrase for "Black", I'd strongly suspect racism if I saw it. But, you know, I'd still have to read more before I'd make that accusation.


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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #61
72. The connection is the same in each case
In each case a senator is representing a state with a substantial population from the mentioned groups. You know, just like Clinton represents a state with a substantial Indian population? Would it be racist to imply that these senators are in the pockets of the mentioned minority groups?

==Feingold (D-Israel) - you didn't put this one here, but I will. Given that Feingold hasn't been a leading spokesman for Israel in the Senate, then why would anyone say this except for Feingold being Jewish and they're wanting to appeal to anti-semitism? So this would be racist.==

There is a reason I didn't include that. In all the cases I cited the senators represent a state with a large population from those groups but are not themselves member of that group. HRC is not Indian; the smear is that HRC is in the pockets of Indians.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #39
53. Wasn't Hillary's apology for her remark about "Ghandi owning a gas station down the street?"
Was Hillary derided for her "Punjab" joke or her "Ghandi gas station joke?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Mq8kOXV_E&mode=related...
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #53
63. Clearly, as the Obama camp would gladly tell you, HRC is popular among Indian-Americans
The apology was obviously accepted.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #39
62. The question is did Obama do it or a Campaign Worker
He did not do it. His campaign worker supposedly did.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #62
77. That is a classic: it wasn't me but my campaign!
Obama sure seems to know a lot about "old politics", especially the politics of division...
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #18
43. Wonder which NYT's reporter is leaking Obama campaign emails to Hillary campaign's Howard Wolson
And what does he/she get in return from the Clinton campaign for violating the trust of the Obama campaign by leaking to Wolfson?
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:36 PM
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23. Hillary: 'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily'
Sen. Clinton (D-Punjab) Joked That She Was Senator From The Punjab Region In India. "At the fundraiser hosted by Dr Rajwant Singh at his Potomac, Maryland, home, and which raised nearly $50,000 for her re-election campaign, Clinton began by joking that, 'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily,' after being introduced by Singh as the Senator not only from New York but also Punjab."
_____________________________
<snip>

Does Hillary deny saying this?

How is it racist to use her own words?

I want a President who puts American workers first, not those from other countries.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Actually Hillary was roundly criticized here for using that reference...
And she apologized publicly afterwards, and was forgiven by the group to whom she was speaking...

But I am glad to see that Obama supporters have abandoned the canard that he is running a different type of campaign that eschewed these types of attacks...

Good to know!


Thanks!

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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. So Hillary admits to making that statement! Good to know.
But why should Obama be held to a different standard than Hillary?

Are you really implying that the Clinton's didn't do this exact kind of thing to other candidates?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #30
42. Of course she did...I t hink the incident took place like 2 years ago...
Hot topic at DU then, and then again about 8 months ago...

Very old news...


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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:05 PM
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50. Are you really implying that Clinton's ops didn't do this exact kind of thing to other candidates?
Are you really implying that Clinton campaign operatives didn't do this exact kind of thing to other candidates?

No Clinton campaign person ever passed on opposition research to the news media upon condition that it not be attributed back to the source?

Do you really mean to imply this?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:24 PM
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57. Of course not...
If you mean try to get the media to publish information about other candidates...not at all...

However it is the Obama campaign that is making its supposed "new way of conducting political campaigns" an issue...this simply shows that claim is all rhetoric and Obama is a politician like the rest of them...

The (D-Punjab) thing was pretty stupid though...

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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:35 PM
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67. So then all is fair in love and war...and politics. No exceptions. No double standards.
Spare us all the hypocrisy meme unless you agree to hold your candidate to the same standards.

And yes, it was very stupid of Hillary to say that she could be elected to the Indian Senate.

A large part of the problem is foreign companies lobbying our representatives for what is good for other countries.

Hillary needs to put American workers first, not foreign companies.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #67
78. Simply holding the Obama campaign...
To their own standard...
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #67
79. HRC wasn't talking about outsourcing but her positive record with Indian-Americans
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 04:56 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
HRC represents the most diverse state in the nation. She has a strong record representing ethnics, whether its Indians, Italians, Jews, or Puerto Ricans. That is what she was alluding to, not selling out to a foreign state.

What is Obama's record in representing ethnics in Illinois?
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #79
92. This memo is about outsourcing. It is a serious topic, not racism.
Try selling the racism meme to the guy cleaning toilets at Hillary's beloved Walmart who used to be a programmer or tech support specialist. It won't work.

"What is Obama's record in representing ethnics in Illinois?"

Dunno, I am not in his camp. I don't think he has enough experience to get elected. Try asking the Polish-American community in Chicago about this.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:06 PM
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96. Then why play the race card? He could have easily focused on outsourcing
This is akin to Willie Horton being about crime and punishment. It was--but there was a reason they chose an African-American for that ad. They could have made the same attack without adding race to it. That ad served two purposes: 1) Painting Dukakis as soft on crime 2) Playing on racism.

The Obama memo is in the same vein. Let's not let the D- next to his name blind us.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #96
98. Ask the techie cleaning toilets if he thinks this memo is racist.
I am not here to defend Obama, but I don't see the connection between a not for attribution expose and a televised attack ad.

Really, this thread is getting tiresome.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #98
100. How about asking someone targeted by that racist appeal?
I definitely consider this racist. I am not fond of candidates--particularly Democratic candidates--exploiting racism against me for political gain. I am sure Obama feels the same way about anti-black racial appeals. Too bad he has forgotten that as he has become drunk with power and his lust for the ultimate power. He is not the same guy from 2002 or the community organizer from his younger ears. He is...a...regular ambitious politician.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:57 PM
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102. Are you cleaning toilets? The appeal was economic, not racist.
If anything, it is a compliment to the intelligence of Indians.

The fact remains that the outsourcing of tech jobs hurt American tech workers.

Where there are displaced workers, there is a political appeal to make hay on an obvious economic issue.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #102
107. That is like saying Willie Horton was solely about crime and did not have a racial component! nt
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:36 PM
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25. Racist canard alert
Posters in this thread will have to specify exactly what makes Obama a racist here. Crying "racist, racist," will not suffice.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. The dripping disdain for folks of East Indian descent seems pretty palpable to me
:shrug:

Obama himself is certainly not racist IMHO. I have to believe he would not approve memo tone.
For the record, I would much rather have Obama as the eventual nominee than Hillary.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:49 PM
Original message
Sorry, I don't see the "dripping disdain"
for anyone except outsourcing's chief apologist here.

I'm assuming it's the "D-Punjab" reference that irritates you the most, but that's clearly aimed at Hillary, not Indians.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:17 PM
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55. it is not just the title
It is the pejorative repetitive litany of Clinton's association with East Indians.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #55
80. Exactly nt
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #55
86. You are trying to fault Obama when she was the one who made the
statement. Get over it.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #86
93. When she made the statement, she was trying to endear herself to east indians
When Obama's campaign made the statement they were presumably trying to endear Obama to those who fault south asians. It is a pretty big distinction.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #93
97. Amen nt
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. Exactly. Moreover he is playing on racism toward East Indians
How? How? Where have we been for the past four decades? The repukes have perfected this art. They paint their opponent as being in the pocket of a minority group disliked by some racists. By doing this they damage their opponent and curry (oops...apologies to HIM for using that word) favor with bigots.

This is what Reagan did when he spoke of "welfare queens" and what Bush did with Willie Horton. There are numerous other lower profile examples. Add Obama to the list.

Obama is painting HRC as a stooge of Indians. THEM. Psst...if you want someone who represents REAL AMERICANS, not THEM, vote for me.

How would we react if the repukes put out a memo saying McCain (R-Navajos), McCain (R-Mexicans)? How about a memo that said Nelson (D-Cuba) or Clinton (D-Israel)? We would rightly be outraged at such race-baiting. What we have here is a mix of Obama cleverly targeting a weak group and the myth of Obama shielding him from criticism. If HRC put out a similar memo about Obama she would be crucified here. Thankfully, the Clintons can win without resorting to racism....
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. I didn't call him a racist...
But certainly if Hillary is going to be criticized for using essentially the same term in a speech...for which she apologized and was forgiven, certainly Obama supporters aren't saying then it is ok to use now that Hillary did it...are they?

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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #29
44. Yes, it is okay for Obama to use it.

George Allen makes a joking "macaca" reference about a Webb supporter for which he is derided (for racism). That made it okay for DUers to start calling him "George 'macaca' Allen" to poke fun at his mistake.

Hillary Clinton makes a "senator from Punjab" joke for which she is derided (for being anti-labor). That made it okay for an Obama staffer to refer to her as "Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab)" to poke fun at her mistake.


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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. Ok..we'll see how many agree with you...
Of course we all know Hillary is not a racist, and was forgiven by the very group that she was speaking too, and doesn't have a history of insensitive comments, and was clearly attempting a bad joke, and has strong political support from the community she supposedly insulted...

But if Obama's people think its ok to use...then I look forward to the next round of Indian-bashing from the Obama campaign!
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #47
54. They accused her of racism for that remark?!?

I either didn't hit DU that day, or it just seemed so self evidently stupid that I decided to skip it (I sadly do that a lot). Did they actually accuse her of being "racist" for making that remark? Because that is just as fucking stupid as draft_mario_cuomo on this thread calling Obama racist for making fun of her for that remark.


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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. Ahem, I, for the record, do not find it the slightest bit racist
that Hillary Clinton thinks she could be elected Senator in Punjab. Few have worked as hard for the honor. ;)
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #54
70. Race-baiting is not racist?
Is this DU or RU?
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StudentsMustUniteNow Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:49 PM
Response to Original message
32. Clinton will be finished if...
"There is no way to legislate against reality. Outsourcing will continue," she said. "

if that gets out.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. It's already out. We'll check the round of polls next week.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:50 PM
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33. I wonder how this will effect "South Asians for Obama" chapters across the country?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #33
46. I am South Asian (sorry, Barack)
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 04:04 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
I will spread the word as best as I can. He was my #2 choice until this. The fact that he would use racism towards me to win votes is pathetic. Eff him. Anyone but Obama (D-racism)...

One thing about the Clintons is that there commitment to racial equality cannot be doubted, especially Bill, who was for it before it was cool in the South.
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StudentsMustUniteNow Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Despite the fact that I agree with the gist of the article...
It would be nice to dispel the illusions on Obama. Seems like a bunch of hot air to me, and this is the case of the outsourcer calling the other outsourcer an outsourcer.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #49
66. He could have done it without race-baiting but he knows race-baiting wins votes
That is why the Obama campaign opted to play the race card.

You are right. On outsourcing they have identical positions. All the more reasons for Obama to play the race card since he can't point to any substantive difference with HRC on outsourcing.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #66
76. Show where Obama said something about race.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #76
83. Read the memo
The subtext is clear: HRC is in the pockets of THEM, those BROWN Indian-Americans! Vote for me. I will stand up for REAL AMERICANS against THEM.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #46
105. so am i and i don't see how this is racist
this is based on what Hillary herself said. her own words about getting elected in Punjab and her support for outsourcing to India.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #33
51. I will not affect them
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #51
73. Lemme see... Obama criticises Clinton for helping and investing in India..
...India is in South Asia, or therabouts... Obama is courting Indian voters... yeah yeah... I see a problem for Obama there.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. No for pushing for Outsourcing
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #75
81. ..to India. See, Indians don't think outsourcing is a bad thing there.
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 05:01 PM by wyldwolf
Regardless of how it is perceived here, those job in India are helping feed the families of the people Obama is courting.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #75
84. What is Obama's position on outsourcing? The same as HRC's?
She wasn't touting her support for outsourcing. :eyes:
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #84
88. You check it out if you want to know
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:45 PM
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71. Okay, so it has hit the Indian press . . .
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. American People should be aware of her stance on Outsourcing jobs.
Americans are having a hard time finding jobs.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #74
85. Stop the meme that HRC hates America and wants to send jobs overseas
:eyes:

She has basically the same position Obama has on outsourcing...
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #85
90. You stop the meme about Obama did something Racist when he clearly did not
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StudentsMustUniteNow Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. Obama is the same as Clinton on trade, or worse n/t
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:56 PM
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94. And so begins the rift that opens
the door for AL GORE. WOOT
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StudentsMustUniteNow Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:40 PM
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99. Al Gore pitched for NAFTA. To hell with him
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #99
108. Get a grip.
And stop hounding me with your drivel.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:55 PM
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101. the obama campaign was highlighting the jobs problem with it's memo but,
the campaign said in some places may have been taken differently for it and if so, apologizes.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 10:29 PM
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104. Too funny. Obama's people apologize" if taken wrong ... but hell will freeze over before HRC's ...
people will EVER admit any wrongdoing. You know, to look STRONG (Military Industrial Promoting & One World Order Internationalist) - is to NEVER say you're sorry. :shrug:
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:47 AM
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109. "Outsourcing will continue. There is no way to legislate against reality."
Of course there is. You can tax companies that offshore/inshore American jobs. Every job offshored is less money into our treasury to pay for needed services, but rightwingers like HRC are too arrogant to care. I'm so tired of her pro-offshoring, pro-war, anti-American worker attitude. Fsck her.


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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:51 AM
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110. Senator Clinton equates outsourcing with "reality"
The links in the memo clearly show where she stands. She has stated herself that she could be elected in Punjab if she ran.

If anything, this jump-the-shark moment by the Clinton Team will open up a can of worms about her stances on outsourcing and investments in India.

Perhaps the Obama team leaked the story to some Clinton rat within their campaign. Nicely played...

And no, talking about the issue and using Clinton's OWN WORDS is not racist. If that's the case, then talking about the Iraq war is racist because it points out the Iraqi people...

Swing and a miss again, Clinton Team...


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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 08:36 AM
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111. Indian American Group Denounces Obama's Campaign
http://newspostindia.com/report-3720

Indian American Group Denounces Obama's Campaign

Saturday 16th of June 2007

The US India Political Action Committee (USINPAC), a political awareness group of Indian Americans, Saturday rapped US Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's campaign for its 'anti-Indian American stereotyping'.

In letter to Obama, USINPAC chairman Sanjay Puri stressed on ethics in political campaigning and denounced the politics of stereotyping as exhibited by research notes of the Obama for America campaign, a USINPAC press release said.

'As representatives of the Indian American community, we have been encouraged by Senator Barack Obama's message of inclusion and his promise to bring a new kind of politics to the United States.

'This is why we are so concerned about media reports indicating that his staff may be engaging in the worst kind of anti-Indian American stereotyping,' Puri wrote in his letter.

* * *

'We are also proud of the strong relationship shared by the United States and India. This is a vital partnership between the two largest democracies who share common values. Our sincere hope is that you will seek to strengthen this relationship and celebrate the contributions Indian Americans make to our country and the world,' Puri wrote.

The letter ended with a request to Obama to respond to the charges.

'We request that you respond directly to these media reports and let us know if indeed your staff is promoting these hurtful stereotypes. We trust that you will take all appropriate action on this matter and look forward to your response on this issue of great concern to the Indian American community.'

USINPAC co-founder Robinder Sachdev added in the release that this might be the work of some overzealous supporters of Obama.

'USINPAC is proud to have facilitated the creation of Senate Caucus with Senator Hilary Clinton as co-chair - but we fail to understand why that is anti-American? Or, for that matter, why is Cisco anti-America?' he asked adding that presidential campaigns need to devote proper money and attention to research and communicating their messages.

http://newspostindia.com/report-3720
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 10:29 AM
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112. The one that's really weak there is the stock ownership.
If I ran with my holdings in Brazilian companies, would I be called the "Brazilian Candidate"?
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 07:43 PM
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113. Obama did more today, acknowledging feelings of Indian-Americans were justified
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