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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:45 PM
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You know this whole faux-piety on here about Falwell dying is such a load of crap
There I said it.

I am quite frankly disgusted by all the people who are saying, "oh you can't talk trash on Falwell just after he died, that's DISRESPECTFUL and makes you classless and no better than he was" and all that great steaming load.

Jerry Falwell was a man who made his money at the expense of others, inciting hatred and the worst things in human nature to build a sick, twisted web of blood and ichor and power for his own glorification. He took what is supposed to be a creed about loving they neighbor, turning the other cheek and all that into the new Sturmbateilung inciting people to hate and made himself the judge and jury of entire swaths of society.

He was one of the men who, when the histories are written, will be remembered as one of the key inciters of the culture wars and bringing this country so close to potential civil war. He was one of the men who brought the Religious Right into the mainstream of politics, making it ok to hate people because they worship a different god or love someone that society says they can't or believe they were born in the wrong sex or believe there should be separation of church and state as well as secular, not theocratic government in the United States of America. He was a man who made his money by exploiting the faith of millions of people, living high on the hog off the social security money of countless people. He was a man who was unafraid to dance on the graves of thousands of Americans days after 9/11 to spread his message of hate. He justified all of this saying he spoke for God and if you disputed this you would burn in hell for eternity. He was a man who showed no respect for those he hated or for those who worshiped the ground he walked on.

He was a man who incited violence against all those he railed against. He has the blood of every dead abortion clinic worker and GLBT who were the victims of hate crimes inspired by his judgments and pronouncements. Every person who ever lost their job because their faith wasn't the right one he shares part of the blame. And on all of this he still put on a mask of godliness and goodness in spite of the evils that were committed at his behest, at his urging, at his desire. Not only was he vile, he was a base and shameless hypocrite in all of this, in all these urgings and decrees he still claimed to be a good man. The worst part is the hate he exploited and urged on will sadly survive him as his greatest and most famous progeny.

As far as I'm concerned, those who claim they are being "classy" by not speaking ill of a dead worm who in death has done more good in life by not being around to push his vile ideas into society any longer are either hypocrites or just as bad as he was.

And I believe this for one reason: to be able to be as two-faced as him, knowing what he did, and most likely feeling righteous anger for what he did, yet claiming to be "classy" by not saying what lies in your heart you lie to yourself and all those in your life. That makes you as big a liar as he, for you put on a pretty mask to hide what you truly feel because you are told it is "uncouth" to say what you feel about a man who inspired the worst in all he touched.

For those who genuinely are not disgusted and happy on some level that this man is dead, you are like the priest who looked the other way. You are the worst of the worst in my eyes, for you are the ones who allow evil to go on unchallenged when it happens. As was said by a great, wise man, "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." To simply look the other way or try to excuse such a man for any reason and be genuine about doing so is someone who must be willing to ignore the evils committed and to silence your conscience even though it cries out against such evils.

I know I will get flamed for this. It would not surprise me if this thread is locked and deleted. But this is what I believe and I believe all this "piety" and "class" and "respect" is a mere facade so that those doing so can sit on their high horse and feel all important about themselves for a really petty, hypocritical, and false reason. You can claim to be so moral, setting such a high standard and all that garbage, but in doing so you lie to yourself and those around you at the very least or are as bad as he was at the very most. An honorable enemy in death deserves to have the glass raised to him in toast and be treated with respect. Slime like Falwell deserve a shallow grave with a canvas thrown over their face and nothing more with no respect or ceremony or pomp and circumstance and wailing and gnashing of teeth. To get respect one must earn respect, and Falwell deserves none as he earned none.

And if his ghost should come back to haunt me for speaking my mind and heart about him, I'll kick his ass around the block.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:48 PM
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1. Personally, I'll be glad when the funeral is over, the tributes are done,
and we can relegate his sorry ass to the annals of history.

He was a bad man, who preached hatred toward other humans. This is not a Christian attribute.

His eternity is in another's hands now. I say let him go - quietly.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:49 PM
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2. I love you.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:50 PM
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3. You won't get flamed by me, glad someone is able to speak their
Edited on Thu May-17-07 03:50 PM by EV_Ares
mind and honest enough to express their opinion on how they feel about it.

Do you think the Freepers would love us anymore if we didn't? No, I don't think so.

Here in case you missed a couple of links of mine I posted here on Falwell, one is from Slate and the other one is from The Onion:

http://www.slate.com/id/2166220

http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo/televangelist_jerr...

Just my thoughts.

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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:51 PM
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4. Interesting take.
I agree with a good deal of it.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:01 PM
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5. I think a lot of us were gagging at the Falwellian "righteous" indignation
I know I was.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:01 PM
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6. Falwell was a fat fucking sleaze bag. Screw him.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:46 PM
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29. yes.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:25 PM
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33. We should steal Falwell's body while he is lying in estate
ram a giant dildo up his ass, and then bury the corpse under a pile of manure! That's my revenge fantasy.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:03 PM
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7. A-freakin-MEN to that
Thank you.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:06 PM
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Well, you won't get flamed by me.
It's absolute nonsense to say you can't speak ill of the dead, especially if they were hateful while alive.

For one thing, it's a legal impossibility to defame dead people, so you can insult away with impunity.

For another thing, it's spiritually and intellectually dishonest NOT to speak ill of the dead when you thought they were evil, heartless sons of bitches.

For yet another, the dead don't even care what you say about them, really, as they're only so much carrion.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:06 PM
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8. No flames from me
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:12 PM
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9. I believe there is a line about as ye sow so shall ye reap. Off to Greatest with you
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:28 PM
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10. "WHAT WILL THE NEIGHBORS THINK????"
I think that's the sort of motivation behind all the people who are wailing that we shouldn't say what we think because somebody will happen by and think less of us for doing so.

Falwell was an enemy. I'm glad he's gone. I'm not going to be a hypocrite for anybody and try to come up with something nice to say about that man.

My sympathy to his family, though.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:29 PM
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11. Jeepers, so many of you missed the point!
Yes, you can be glad that a bad person is gone...you just don't have to be BAT-SHIT-CRAZY-DOING THE 24 hour SNOOPY DANCE WHILE SHOWING ALL YOUR FANGS ABOUT IT!!!!!
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:36 PM
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12. There's actually a good reason to do the so-called "snoopy dance"
Because there are so many rushing to canonize him we must be equally zealous in making certain the truth of him is known and cannot be ignored.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:37 PM
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13. Talking about what he did with his awful life is better and seems less bad than just
Edited on Thu May-17-07 04:39 PM by roguevalley
exulting in a death. Personally, hearing he was gone was the best part of that day for me. No one deserved better to go on to the next life and see the ENORMITY of their error. I think its rather
a superstition to do this, to feel oddly about being glad a bad person is gone. He hurt so many and
our country will suffer a long time for what he's done. He's driven people from their faith and hurt so many, I personally am glad he's gone.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:42 PM
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14. One does not exclude the other.
Case in point: I posted both of these threads. Is my head going to explode or something?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:30 PM
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28. Bookmarked.
The usual suspects and all that...

Great threads, btw. Sorry I missed them! :thumbsup:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:52 PM
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16. Why not? You didn't explain that. nt
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:16 PM
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27. Of course not; then we'd be just like "him"
Nothing that "man" did was worth anything. Berating people with AIDS, and saying they were being punished by God.....that would be enough for me to hate him, but that was wasn't a drop in the bucket
to the venom he spewed, so don't condemn us for showing all our fangs which have been suppressed for
so long. :evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:51 PM
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15. Yeah, I figure the Love-All-Evil-Men-Like-Falwell posters are just trolls. nt
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:56 PM
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17. The sad thing is that's not entirely the case
There are DUers on here who are saying, "Love the sinner hate the sin" who have been here for years.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:49 PM
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19. I know you're right. I'm kind of in denial of them. Their preachers tell
them they're bad if they feel animosity toward anyone, so they bleat the preachers' messages without thinking.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:30 PM
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18. Here here!
I cannot help but to be happy that rancid cur no longer draws breath from our planet in the service of poisoning it. I lost the Marquis of Queensbury rules just about the time I was called a traitor for questioning our Imperial wars and blamed for the 9/11 attacks because I rejected traditional Christian dogma (I lean pagan).

I am not as advanced in my pacifism and love as some DUers, and personally (since I am more of a pit dog), I do not want to be. We all bring certain strengths to the table, so I see no reason to fight amongst ourselves over this piece of shit.

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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:03 PM
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20. Exactly!
I never was someone who understood the idea of turning the other cheek if the guy beating you is using a baseball bat and has no reason to strike you.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:06 PM
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26. My adoptive Klingon father always says
Turning the other cheek just gets you booted twice in the ass. :)
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 08:19 PM
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21. I spit on his grave. And don't care one bit what anyone thinks of that. (n/t)
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 08:32 PM
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22. The hand-wringing DU Hannity-appeasers made me sick, too.
Falwell doesn't deserve even a fraction of an iota of respect. I'm glad he's rotting and I hope the worms enjoy chowing on his evil corpse.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:12 PM
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23. The Rude One said it well, too..
Edited on Thu May-17-07 09:12 PM by zidzi
snip~

"Jerry Falwell was a poison, a jowly backwoods cretin who used his abilities to calmly, smilingly spin entire worlds of nutzoid damnation and spew them into the airwaves to build the illusion of an empire, all fake gossamer and cash. For the better part of four decades, his gluttonous, bovine visage befouled our television screens, slavering ratings whores of the news networks ready to lift his gargantuan belly, resting it on their heads, to fellate him for all the good quotes he could weave from cultishly mad religious fervor, always smiling, that smug fuckin' smile of self-righteousness, of acting so God-stoned that he couldn't wipe Christ's blood out of his eyes. No wonder he was a man who looked like he enjoyed his pork rinds - he always had the Jesus-spliff munchies.

You could populate entire vital nations with the people he despised and wanted to cast into pits of despair if they didn't accept his Son of God, a pissy little deity who, like an overly inbred emperor, demands unquestioning loyalty and obeisance. To give yourself to Falwell's God was to announce to the world that all questions from "Why is there war?" to "Why does Grandpa have bleeding hemorrhoids?" could be answered with God's name and will invoked. What an amazingly ignorant way to exist. And all you needed to join in was to give your hard-earned money to him. "If we don't tithe, we rob God," Falwell told his stupid flock. Give part of your Social Security check to the man, not the God, but the man, Falwell, who would, he assured you, do God's will with it. And how did you know God's will would be done? Because Falwell assured you it would be. Because, oh, sweet bliss of tautologies, Falwell knew. How did you know Falwell knew? Because he told you so. No wonder George W. Bush is president.

snip~
And, up to his death, all the politicians since Reagan let him into the White House had to make offerings to Falwell in order to get his blessings for their candidacies. But the Republicans (mostly) were more than willing to degrade themselves and do a little moral and ethical striptease for Falwell, at Liberty University events, in private, whenever, making sure that Falwell would not send his zombie hordes out to drag down a potential president. John McCain must be feeling pretty skeevy this morning, covered, as he was, with Falwell semen from the lap dance he gave the man just a few weeks ago. Falwell made sure that the Republican party was dragged from moderation to monkeyfuck madness. And, thanks to Falwell, it will be a generation before the GOP recovers."



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:20 PM
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24. I won't spit on his grave
he is not worth th water.
I do think that he was an evil person full of hate, but DOG is the final judge, it is not in my realm.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:04 PM
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25. Judging by your avatar and your words
I would assume you follow a Norse path. Truer words, my friend...no flames from this queer Pagan, just a hearty toast. :toast: This is probably the best post on this I've seen yet. The sanctimonious pearl-clutchers who moan on about honoring an enemy wouldn't know honor if it jumped up and bit them in the ass.

(FWIW I practice what I like to call Guerilla Witchcraft. :P)
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:25 PM
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34. Thanks!
No honour for liars and oathbreakers!

And you hit the nail on the head more or less. Mine is something along the lines of a fusion of Celtic and Norse.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:47 PM
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30. Would a standing ovation embarrass you?
You've captured my sentiments exactly. Beautifully done. Thanks! :thumbsup:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:06 PM
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31. It's not faux piety. It's political smarts. Nobody looks good by

trashing someone who has just died. Lots of people read DU, some looking for posts to use against liberals. They have gotten a bumper crop this week.

Yes, I know: "he was mean first." That gives us the opportunity to be better than he was.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:28 PM
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35. When honour and political sense clash
For me, honour always smashes what is politically correct.

That and just to point something out:

Hannity, Rush, and Co. have never been afraid of making shit up about us. Why should we be afraid of what they'll do when we know that they will take shots like that anyway? I've never been fond of jumping at shadows personally.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:15 PM
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32. When Falwell died, he was surprised to find out that GAWD resembled a mass of flying pasta
The most Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster slapped Falwell's spiritual ass with a noodley appendage, and welcomed him to the big eternal oven in the sky.
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