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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:03 PM
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Does Anyone Realize How Historic Mrs. Clinton's Stand Is?
Mrs. Clinton has almost voted, for the most part* to end the Iraq Debacle. Her amusing last-minute teetering aside, this is of tremendous historical importance - and I'm not being sarcastic here.

Like it or hate it, Mrs. Clinton is the most accurate wind sock in our country. She spends a fortune on hiring the best pollsters, and always votes precisely where they tell her the middle lies. There is no better indicator of the opinions of Middle America than Mrs. Clinton's vote.

If she's publicly calling for an immediate end to this tragedy, this means that Middle America wants it. If Middle America wants it, it will happen soon.

It's the beginning of the end.

* see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:05 PM
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1. I think she's historic as in YESTERDAY. time to move on.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:15 PM
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2. I think she's historic as in, she will be the first Female President of the United States.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:17 PM
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3. I don't want to bet against
you, but a little surprised you are so confident of that. Still a long way to go.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:18 PM
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5. Zing!
:toast:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 12:08 AM
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21. Yes
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:18 PM
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4. Don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows ... Hillary will tell you.
Swaying to and fro like a wind sock ... That's Hillary.

People are out for blood after 9-11? She thinks bombing the crap out of Iraq is a swell idea even though it had nothing to do with 9-11.

People are sick of it all four years later? Well, heck, let's pull out.
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:20 PM
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6. On the other hand, we always complain that
our representatives do not represent us & what the majority wants, so her changing her stance according to representing her constituents isn't necessarily a bad thing IMO.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:21 PM
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7. Wow..spending a little time in the RW blogs much?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:30 PM
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11. Just because I don't like Hillary doesn't make me right wing.
I like Obama, Gore, and Edwards. I like much of what Kucinich has to say, although I know he doesn't have a snowball's chance of making much of an impact.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:43 PM
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15. So why spew RW talking points here?
We come here to get away from that crap..so stifle yourself a bit a let us breath- for cryin out loud!
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:49 PM
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16. Well, jeez, I thought this was a board where we talked about stuff.
I don't expect us all to be in agreement ... Part of the fun is the back-and-forth.

I mean no harm. Peace. :hi:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 09:58 PM
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20. Thanks, mee tooooo!
:toast:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:23 PM
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9. Apparently you need a weatherman to tell you how to vote though.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:31 PM
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12. I don't get what you mean.
:shrug:
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:22 PM
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8. So what you're saying is
she makes a better weathervane than a wind.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:25 PM
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10. given that Clinton and Obama's Senate voting record is identical on Iraq...
...I rather found the IL Senator's answer amusing... he voted for the Reid-Feingold Iraq war defunding measure to "send a strong statement" to Bush, but added that cutting off funds isn't the "best answer."...
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:36 PM
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13. They Absolutely Do Not Have Identical Voting Records On Iraq
Stop that.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:55 PM
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17. well, on 70 votes, they've differed on exactly 1
And that one vote was Confirmation of Gen. George W. Casey to be Chief of Staff, U.S. Army. Obama voted "Yay" and Clinton voted "nay."

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral...
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 09:04 PM
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19. Fascinating. So you're Saying That Obama Voted For The IWR.
Very interesting - I guess my memory's going.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:57 AM
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22. I said their Senate voting record on Iraq was identical. It is your short term memory...
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:40 PM
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14. That's a good point. nt
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:57 PM
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18. As a "wind sock," the significance of her vote is limited to the
Edited on Wed May-16-07 08:58 PM by Boo Boo
Democratic Primary electorate. I'm not at all surprised that she voted for it, considering that she is running for the Dem nomination and the Dem base is anti-war. OTOH, I kinda wonder if she wouldn't have gone the other way if she were not running. I suspect she would have voted against, or found some reason to miss the vote.

"There is no better indicator of the opinions of Middle America than Mrs. Clinton's vote."

:eyes:

I think it would be a lot more true to say that there is no better indicator of the opinions of likely Democratic Primary voters than Mrs. Clinton's vote. As for overall trends, regardless of party, etc, I think it would be better to rely on public opinion polls. After all, if the trend was so clear cut, there wouldn't have been so many Dems voting against the measure. Furthermore, if the trend is so clear cut, why is it that the measure had absolutely no chance in hell of passing?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:50 AM
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23. You mean, of course,
that she ALMOST took a stand.

Or that she is milking voter opinion for campaign purposes with strong rhetoric that she won't back up with her actual vote.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:10 AM
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24. What "stand"?
All I see is more weasel words from someone who is scared to death to do the right thing.
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