It really has been funny watching SOME of the Clark people on here

[ShaneGR]

Day 1: Wesley Clark is the greatest, John Kerry is a Washington insider who has to be stopped.

Day 2: I can't believe Wesley dropped, I'm going to kill myself.

Day 3: OMG! Kerry scandal! Get back in this thing General, Kerry is finished!

Day 3 & 1/2: Kerry/Clark!! Go Kerry!


EDIT NOTE: I said SOME, not all.

[Toucano]

1. That is funny.

But I think you're combining reactions from different Clark supporters.

But your point is still taken.

[Jack_Dawson]

2. LOL

I'm still in denial. GO CLARK!

[DancingBear]

3. Not me!

I've been steadfast in my wanting Edwards to drop out since the beginning! :)

[AP]

6. I'd like to do a study of people who have said positive things about all

candidates at least once, and people who have never said anthing positive about one or more of the candidates ever here at DU.

[DancingBear]

9. Go right ahead

You can be the first subject. :)

[AP]

27. I've said good things about all the candidates.

Except for Dean. However, the first time I heard of Dean, some DU'er I trusted said I should look into him. I said I would, and I did, and I just didn't like what I found. I've talked about what I found here at DU.

The first time I heard of Clark, my theory was that he was a great contribution to the field. I argued that his participation will cast a reflected light on all the candidates suggesting that Democrats, generally, could be good at national security, and would hurt Bush regardless of what would happen. I even vociferously criticized NPR for smearing him the first week after he announced (even though he tried to upstage Edwards's official announcement). I argued with DU'ers that NPR was trying to smear him. So many said they weren't.

I've only criticized Kucinich on two things: I don't agree with isolationism, and I don't think he could win an election. I've praised everything else about him.

CMB: I've always defended her right up to but not including here final sell out. I even defended her when she asked Edwards the question about the vertically integrated farming monopolies at the IA debate.

I have always given Lieberman credit where it's due: his stance on civil rigths.

Kerry would be my candidate if Edwards weren't running (although I'd be giving money to Kucinich), and I've said as much. I know members of his family whom I like, so I'd probably even devote time to the campaign.

I've praised Sharpton for the great things he's said in the debates and for his dilligent attempts to help Gray Davis.

I've echoed Edwards's statement about Gephardt on his withdrawal -- I've always said that he got up every morning of his life knowing for whom he was fighting. My criticism of him was that he didn't alwasy go about pursuing their interests in the most clever of manners.

Anyone else want to take the challenge?

[joshcryer]

61. Hey, you're not the only one who doesn't like Dean, check out:

http://www.cmpa.com/

Your position seems to align pretty well with what the media says about candidates. Doesn't shock me the least.

[AP]

63. I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Care to elaborate?

I was open minded about Dean the first time I heard of him. I made a joke that perhaps he would be good (based on what was said in that thread about him).

I said that 2004 might not be the first time a Dean Edwards gave Bush hell.

Everyone thought that was funny.

I was very open to considering Dean, as I have been with every candidate.

Just because I think one's better than the rest (which I try to support with argument, and not with spin, or lies, like "Edwards is the DLC candidate," or "Edwards said that Bush tax cuts are the engine of the economy" -- both total lies) doesn't mean haven't been fair to the others.

I think the canidates are all a bunch of fine people, and I'll say that, for example, Clark seems to be a VERY fine human being. I just don't think he, or any of the others are as good of a candidate, or will be as good of a president than Edwards.

The point I'm making here is about credibility of the critics -- me in particulare. I've been more than fair to each candidate, and I've tried to hold them all accountable for their words actions and personas. I think I've been very fair.

[joshcryer]

65. Didn't go to the site?

It seems to suggest that most of the candidates, except Dean, got positive coverage going into the primaries. Not to say that your opinion about Dean started then, but clearly it aligns with how the media treated Dean after that fact. If the media is going to see a candidate that way, then there are bound to be people who see it that way too.

[Toucano]

10. Skinner used to have those threads

where you were supposed to say something nice about all the candidates. You could start there, I guess.

[OKNancy]

26. I have said many positve things about Edwards

In fact I joked around with I think Bombtrack on Politic and Campaigns six months ago how I was such a slut...Edwards , or Kerry, I couldn't decide.
When Clark got in, I was faithful. lol

[krkaufman]

23. Edward who? n/t

[AP]

33. Yeah. You don't hear that anymore, do you?

Didn't know him in 2000. Bet they know him now.

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. No..."Go Kerry!" from this Clark supporter! n/t

[celticartemis]

19. I'm with you, in_cog_ni_to

:toast:

[Padraig18]

5. hehehe!

That's an amalgamation of responses, but funny! :P

[Crunchy Frog]

58. Just wait Padraig

your time is coming.:P

[Lefta Dissenter]

7. I agree that you're combining supporters! :)

however, I think that many of us are floundering a bit, particularly those of us who were within days of casting our votes, and now are back to square one. I simply had not considered who would be my 'number 2 man' because I KNEW I was voting for Clark! Crap.

I am having to take a new look at all of the remaining candidates. The trouble is, they simply can't compare to Clark!!!

[Crunchy Frog]

41. I think you should

go ahead and vote for Clark. His name should still be on your ballot, and it's not going to have an appreciable impact on the outcome. It may be the only opportunity you have to really vote your concience. I would vote for him if the repubes in my state hadn't taken away our primary.

[Name removed]

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[Bread and Circus]

15. Yeah, some Edwards folks had the long knives out....

and didn't waste time carving Clark.

[funky_bug]

21. Me too

I'm another one of them. I leaned strongly toward Edwards right before Graham got in, and then out again. I might have even signed on, had Wes not shown up and inspired me.

Now? I still think one is as good as the other...but some of those Edwards people were SO repulsive in their ill-timed attacks.If Clark endorses Kerry, then I'm in his camp too. I trust the General. I always did, and I always will. He has shown his integrity (as far as I'm concerned) and if he is willing to bury the hatchet, then so am I.

[PatGund]

32. Actually....

...I would have been extremely disappointed in Clark had he endorsed Edwards.

That being said, I haven't made up my mind who to support now, Dean, Kerry, or Kucnich. The only way Edwards gets any vote of mine is if he's the nominee.

[DancingBear]

50. Same here

I saw him speak in Keene NH during the primary - wrote an entire post about him, actually. I don't think he is ready to be President just yet, but (as I have said many times) just give him time. He seemed to me to be looking for something that he didn't quite deserve - yet.

However, I got put off by the very folks here on DU that you speak of, and now see him in a less than favorable light, so much so that I would have trouble lending him any support.

[mikehiggins]

11. You seem to forget. We started out WITHOUT a candidate.

Not having Clark in the running is nothing new to us. We went to Clark because we felt he was better than any of the candidates in the campaign.

Anything change? I hadn't noticed.

I will keep supporting Clark even after election day when I will vote for whoever is the Democratic candidate, Clark or not.

I agree with him that a Higher Standard of Leadership is what is called for in this country and I don't see anyone in the field ready or willing to provide it.

So, I'm still with Clark.

[killbotfactory]

12. I'd be surprised if people here believe even half of the negative crap

They dish out.

You can demonize anybody in politics.

[Exgeneral]

16. You must admit

some folks in politics give themselves a head start when it comes to demonization material.

[killbotfactory]

18. True

Very true.

[Bread and Circus]

13. That's about right!

:crazy:

Guilty as charged. :hi:

Our only other choice was to continue whining about
the orchestrated attempt to marginalize Clark.

[democratreformed]

36. Right you are, Doc

Although I will not choose Kerry YET in these primaries, I do realize that his nomination is inevitable and it gives me great hope to know that Clark supports this and will be involved.

[Leilani]

14. I think you're bitterly disappointed

that Clark supporters are not running to your guy.

Clark voters are independent people who will make up their own minds, in their own good time.

As for myself, I cannot support a candidate who is not qualified to be Commander-in-Chief, not experienced in foreign relations & national security.

[ShaneGR]

17. I'm not disappointed, just amused

In fact, a lot of Clark people aren't going to anyone just yet.

[mmonk]

40. Correct

Though I respect the General's decision, it's not mine. I'm staying back and research carefully the remaining candidates.

[jmaier]

20. I'd see the majority of us are ABB

and have said we'll support the nominee and perhaps vote for Clark in our primary if he's on the ballot. I'm one of those. I also remain firmly in Clark's camp -- and he's clearly all about defeating Bush. If that means, going with John Kerry then so be it. You have to have a platform to keep credibly attacking. This is clearly Wes Clark's strategy for keeping his voice heard; I won't be critical of that decision.

[krkaufman]

22. Hey, I'm not sure if you were including me in your post's scope

... but please do.

I loathe Kerry, but view him as the next best candidate to beat Bush this Fall, behind Wes Clark. And I prefer Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich on the issues, right behind Wes, but don't believe they could defeat Bush in the Fall -- in the current right-wing media slanted environment. I'll take a candidate that can get 30% of my agenda implemented over a candidate who'll insure 100% of the opponents'.

My current delusion is a Dem Party epiphany before July 29th, with Wes Clark getting the nomination.

[Donkey007]

24. You never hear a "Go Kerry" from me

And you sure the hell won't hear a "Go Edwards"

[Maddy McCall]

25. As for me: #1, nope; #2 not me; #3 I didn't say that; #3.5 YES!

One: I do think Clark is the greatest, but I never condemned Kerry for being a Senator (Would Dean move the White House to Vermont?)

Two: I was sad when Wes dropped out, but I didn't cry and refused to post on the crying threads or take part in the "keep him in the race" threads

Three: Could care less about this. Just a bunch of scandalmongers trying to label Kerry as another Clinton. So what.

Three-and-a-half: You bet!

[spooky3]

28. Well, I wish Gen. Clark had endorsed Edwards.

I don't mean anything against the Kerry supporters but I strongly believe we are doing the wrong thing to nominate him because I do not believe that he will appeal to enough voters in general. Still, assuming that we do nominate Kerry, I will be deliriously happy to be proven wrong in November.

[DjTj]

39. I never expected it would happen...

...The Clark candidacy was always about "a higher standard of leadership" and military experience was a big part of that. Edwards definitely didn't fit into that paradigm.

I never felt a strong rapport between Clark and Edwards, and even here on DU it seems like the only people Edwards supporters really fought with were the Clark people.

For the same reason, I couldn't have seen Clark endorsing Dean.

Right now it's really either the belief that we must present a better a resume to outshine Bush that is driving Kerry or the belief that we must reach out to independent voters who are worried about the economy that is driving Edwards ... Clark definitely fell on the side of trying to out-resume Bush.

[jpgpenn]

29. I think this subject you started has more to do with...

Clark NOT endorsing your candidate. Remeber this is n't a popularity contest, this is a election for the future leadership of the greatest country on earth. Your candidate has no experience what so ever in either domestic or world affairs issues!

[DjTj]

44. Now it's no experience what so ever...

...in either domestic or world affairs issues...

I suppose being a United States Senator is no experience what so ever.

Way back in 1776 we were fighting a war to create a country where anyone could grow up to be President. It's unfortunate that more than 2 centuries later we are still requiring that people have more credentials than being the choice of the people.

[jpgpenn]

47. "NOW"? no, more like

For quite awhile. I take it you haven't read alot of posts by me or others always bringing to light Edwards total lack of experience.

[DjTj]

52. I meant to say...

...It started with:

"It's too early for him."

"He's too inexperienced."

"He has no foreign policy experience."

"He has absolutely no foreign policy experience"

"He has no experience what so ever in domestic or world affairs issues!"

"Edwards has a total lack of experience."

"Experience!"

"Experience!!!"

"Experience!!!!!!!!"

"Experience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

When I said "NOW" I just meant that there has been a clear progression in the hyperbole.

I won't argue the point, because he is clearly less experienced than the other candidates. I just don't think it matters.

[jpgpenn]

53. You don't think it matters?

Well then maybe someone should draft Ronald McDonald heck at least there would be fries for all!

[DjTj]

59. If the American people voted for him...

...then he should be President.

In a Democracy, it is the peoples' will that matters.

I believe John Edwards will do fine with foreign policy. What is it that you are afraid will happen if Edwards is elected? Is he going to go off on preemptive wars? Is he going to sign away our entire budget to China? Why is years of experience an absolute requirement?

[returnable]

30. It's almost as funny as watching some of the Kerry supporters...

...who were calling Clark a Republican mole not too long ago now embrace his endorsement :hi:

[OKNancy]

35. You think?

I think the Kerry people were the least likely to do that. I think, in general, Kerry people are pragmatic and not given to hot-headed remarks. Just my opinion.

[returnable]

54. I said some, not all

:hi:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

43. Could you please provide a link to one of those comments?

If they exist?

[returnable]

55. Don't have my star yet...

[BootinUp]

45. BOOOOMMERRRANNNGG!

ouch

[Crunchy Frog]

62. I never really saw much

of that from the Kerry supporters, it was almost exclusively from other (unnamed candidates) supporters. I always felt that the Kerry people were about the most civil on here and many of them seemed to have Clark as their second choice.

I think they were forced to learn humility by the fact that their candidate looked for so long like he was completeley out of the game. Because of that, they seem to have some empathy for what other people are going through.

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[Autumn]

34. Any one of them

On a bad day any one of the candidates are are better than bush. General Clark was my first choice but I'll go with ANY of them. I just want bush back at the ranch.

[Maddy McCall]

38. Welcome to DU, Autumn

:hi:

[waldenx]

37. not funny,

scary is a better description.

[BootinUp]

42. Not sure what you mean by funny.

It is tough when you support a candidate with time and or money and you have a connection to their success or failure. But you wouldn't know anything about that, so I'll spare you the rest.

[xultar]

46. it is kinda funny. I still want my GENERAL CLARK!!! n/t

[Donkey007]

49. LaLaLa

[Rowdyboy]

48. None of the above

Had my candidates beaten too many times in past elections. I'm used to it. Mostly just thinking about which way to go now, though leaning Edwards.

[maddezmom]

51. happy to amuse you

so far none of the above apply to me. However, I'll admit I was distraught when Wes dropped. :)

[Crunchy Frog]

56. A little bit of overgeneralizing here

although I acknowledge the "some" qualification.

I admit to being heartbroken when he dropped, though not surprised, and think it was probably the best choice for him at that point. I was very dissapointed that he didn't do better and did a fair amount of crying, still going through the grieving process, but certainly not ready to kill myself.

Was never all that interested in Kerry, either for or against but will passionately support him if he is the nominee. I think the whole "scandal" thing is a crock.

Am not at all surprised that Clark would endorse Kerry. He's always said that he believes that in this election, the Dem candidate must have really good national security and foreign policy credentials. With Clark out, Kerry is the only one left that fits that description. Plus, I've read some things that Clark has said that suggested to me that Kerry was his preferred choice before he decided to enter the race. I would be very happy if Kerry decided to choose Wes as his running mate.

Now that Clark is out, I am not for anybody else in the primary. It is very liberating for me to no longer have a dog in this fight. I can now watch it with a sense of detatchment instead of the nailbiting constant nervousness when I did have a dog in the fight. I'm officially ABB and will support whoever gets the nomination.

I'll save the rest of my nailbiting for the general election.

[Tweed]

57. Some Edwards supporters have been DAMN funny

They think that Edwards could possibly win the Presidency. Now that is funny!

[DjTj]

60. You mean ALL Edwards supporters... (nt)

[West Coast Democrat]

64. I've never called Kerry a "Washington Insider"

and I'm not sure whom to vote for in the Primary, but I do want Clark on the ticket, and it looks like Kerry will be the nominee.

[Moderator]

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