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Gryphons Eyre Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 02:14 PM
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Constitutional Crisis; the last days of the American Republic
Of all the serious issues confronting America today it is hard to determine which represents the greatest danger. This would get my vote simply because it eclipses everything else. discusses the end of the American republic brought about by empire and thereby our “insidious” dependence on the “military-industrial complex’. To summarize; we can either continue imperialism or we can have democracy but we cannot have both. Ultimately the industrial-military complex and standing army needed to “establish, defend, and police American imperialism" will result in military dictatorship or the civil equivalence of it.
The following is transcript from the interview:

This is in the Eisenhower sense different. You see the interesting thing about Eisenhower’s warning is it was so strident. It wasn’t diplomatic. He was scared to death about what had been created during his administration and that it was going to dominate us. That military Keynesianism would come to exercise a powerful influence over our society. I agree with this. I think that it is; let’s put it this way, If I’m wrong you’re going to be so pleased I was wrong you will forgive me but what I really fear is that I am not wrong. We have good institutions in our constitution for dealing with unsatisfactory political leaders, its called impeachment. So the American people last November elect the opposition party in congress; they come to power and the first thing they say is that impeachment is off the table. Well with remarks like that I think its possible democracy is off the table. The congress is not working the way it was suppose to. The citizens are not playing the citizen role that Benjamin Franklin Imagined in a certain sense they are not because they are so uninformed; they have such enormous difficulty gaining information. One of the reasons why we continue to admire the efforts by NPR to overcome the interests of people who report simply for advertising purposes but at the same time NPR is not unaware they have often been a target from people who have vested interests……The Public could be mobilized; could inattentive citizens be caused to understand what they are about to lose and what it would cost them. What I meant to say was in the three volumes I have published so far I received a much more cautious inquiring and response to Nemesis talks at universities and book stores and that sort then I did to the first two. The public is clearly worried. They seem rife for mobilization by somebody who could warn them of the dangers coming. I obviously would not be on this radio program if I thought that was absolutely hopeless; that there was absolutely no way to mobilize anybody but as a matter of fact I suspect, I’m not Cassandra, but my rough guess, we will stagger along maintaining a facade of Constitutional government until we are overcome by bankruptcy.…I do not see it in the cards that we are going to mobilize the American public given the raw lack of information; the inability to conduct elementary over site on our government; that’s the one thing that has to be done or we will write the United States off is to reconstitute, to reenergize the constitutional system; to bring, that’s what Washington was talking about, he wasn’t opposed to defending the country, he was saying standing armies inevitable are going to move wealth, money, influence to Washington D.C. and to the executive branch. That’s the imperial presidency; that’s what we have today. That’s what we have being defended by the greatest use of secrecy in the history of our government. These are serious problems. The country at the time as I see it right now, doesn’t seem very serious about them but clearly I am attempting to issue a warning.
Kennedy’s key concept was imperial overstretch; I believe he was right about it. I believe the truth of the matter is our mistake, the invitation to Nemesis began after the collapse of the Soviet Union when we began extremely arrogantly saying we were the lone super power; beyond good and evil; a new Rome; capable of doing anything; would insist on dominating the world through military power. That the truth of the matter is both the U.S and the U.S.S.R. lost the cold war it was simply we were always richer; we three lost it for the same reasons; imperial overstretch; economic ideology; and failure to reform.

Excerpt: 'Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic' taken from the link to NPR provided above:

If the American democratic system is no longer working as planned, if the constitutional checks and balances as well as other structures put in place by the founders to prevent tyranny are increasingly less operational, we have not completely lacked for witnesses of every stripe, domestic and foreign. General Tommy Franks, commander of the American assault on Baghdad, for instance, went so far as to predict that another serious terrorist attack on the United States would "begin to unravel the fabric of our Constitution," and under such circumstances, he was open to the idea that "the Constitution could be scrapped in favor of a military form of government." The historian Kevin Baker feared that we are no longer far from the day when, like the Roman Senate in 27 B.C., our Congress will take its last meaningful vote and turn over power to a military dictator. "In the end, we'll beg for the coup," he wrote.

I like Johnson do not see the American people and therefore congress addressing this crisis in any inclusive way for reasons stated here. Therefore when not if it happens I can only wonder at how many Americans will stare incredulously in disbelief at what happens in their beloved nation; where they believed it never could happen.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 02:22 PM
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1. K&R: Welcome to DU, Gryphons Eyre! n/t
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 02:23 PM
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2. Big, dense paragraphs make my eyes glaze over.
And I believe this is true with most people. If you want to make things more readable, and therefore understandable, introduce some white space and break the text up into smaller chunks. It's easy to lose one's place in a 27-line block of single-spaced type.
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Gryphons Eyre Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 02:35 PM
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3. once again my apologies
It is always my intent to make information as readily accessible as possible in an easy to read and understand format. In some cases I push the limits on substance I am very aware of this but substance is that part of being informed that is lacking in America today. Well along with being Republican or just plain being a moron.

I condensed the transcript of the interview that I typed out all together to avoid posting to many paragraphs. I believe the rules prohibit more then 3 paragraphs of copy write material.

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 03:34 PM
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6. FYI -- there's a link to the audio
which should be very easy on the eyes. :)
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 02:36 PM
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4. thanks for transcribing that...
...if you are the one who did it. In any event, thanks for posting it. Those of us who don't get much radio listening time appreciate this kind of thing.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 03:33 PM
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5. wow -- thanks for posting this rich transcription
i'll listen to the archive -- it's really good to see that "taking impeachment off the table" is an INSULT to democracy. it's just asinine.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 03:40 PM
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7. Welcome to D.U. Gryphons Eyre
:hi: Thanks for the thread.

Kicked and recommended
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 03:41 PM
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8. Good post. Of course many are very concerned about this.
If you carefully consider this, it is not a partisan issue. The nation will hopefully split over this whole notion of Empire, and it does not appear that the split will be along the traditional party lines.

Many in the Democratic Leadership support Empire, for all of the same reasons that the Republican Leadership does. Even though the overwhelming majority of citizens oppose this direction, it will still be a very dangerous stand to take for any new political leadership to speak in direct opposition to this cabal. It already seems that some strong voices in Congress are being stifled over this issue.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:34 PM
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9. K&R
I'd say more, but I can't.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:12 PM
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10. Great to see the naysayers didn't scare you off after the last debacle.
Edited on Fri Mar-02-07 07:15 PM by greyhound1966
Did you remember to spell-check everything? I see that you did. :sarcasm:

Good piece.

:kick: & R &:toast:

ETA; I guess I didn't go over the replies closely enough, remember the whitespace, then once you have the formatting down right, they might start addressing the issue.:eyes:

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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 11:03 PM
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11. I will check out the audio
I think the interview that Chalmers Johnson did on Democracy Now is up on the web and also in transcript.

Must buy book for my collection (Sorrows of Empire was excellent).
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 11:06 PM
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12. welcome underground
:patriot:
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gratefultobelib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:10 AM
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13. Thanks for posting this. I heard the interview, too. I leaned against the counter in my kitchen,
the whole time, arms wrapped around my waist in a kind of horror. Johnson was so matter-of-fact. I remember his saying something to the effect, "We will muddle along in the semblance of a democracy until we become bankrupt."
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:31 AM
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14. Right up there with the Alien and Sedition acts
Edited on Sat Mar-03-07 12:32 AM by ProudDad
Maybe it can be reversed, maybe not.

Look to the South for the future...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarian_Revolution

http://www.motherjones.com/news/qa/2005/09/richard_gott.html

Welcome to DU :hi:
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:25 AM
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15. Reading Nemesis now
Chalmers Johnson's book needs to be taught to every school child, and required reading for all adults. Watching the MSM, one gets the impression that Terry McAuliffe, not Johnson, has written the seminal text of our times. I take that as a sign....a bad sign. Another bad sign is how even in this forum the talk is often "all about the money," or those who are raking it in, and not the republic. Our democracy, a fragile construct, is being willing bought, sold and stolen right before our eyes. It has become a badge of honor if a candidate can sell themselves for $xxx,xxx,xxx number of dollars, rather than the quality of their ideas. The best government money can buy is not hiding what is going on.

I don't know about begging for a military coup. I think America is begging for a corporate-theocracy. And I believe it has already happened. The people in charge of country, and unfortunately the ones on the horizon waiting to take charge, no longer believe in democracy.

From Lewis Lapham's book, Gag Rule:

...the senior statesmen seated on the dais could be counted on to say---always with a note of regret, of course, and wishing they didn't have to be so blunt---that America wasn't likely to come to is senses unless or until something really awful happened. The citizenry was drifting into moral relativeness and cultural decline...
   
Because the gentlemen on the dais had served the administrations of Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush as secretaries of defense or state, sometimes as chiefs of naval operations or directors of the Central Intelligence Agency, their geopolitics were understood to bear the stamps of selfless patriotism...The high-end intellectuals in the room (sometimes Richard Perle, often William Bennett accompanied by a smirk of columnists from the Weekly Standard never tired of telling the travelers from New York (over coffee between the morning's first and second power points; while investigating the poached salmon before the luncheon speech) that the ideas of government made  to the measure of a provincial democratic republic (America in 1941) could no longer accommodate the interests of a global nation-state that deserved to wear the crown and name of empire (America, circa 1995). (138-9)


And then there is this sad thought:

Daniel Webster on the occasion of the one hundredth anniversary of George Washington’s birthday.


Other misfortunes may be borne or their effects overcome. If disastrous war should sweep our commerce from the ocean, another generation my renew it. If it exhaust our Treasury, future industry may replenish it. If it desolate and lay waste our fields, still, under a new cultivation, they will grow green again and ripen to future harvests. It were but a trifle even if the walls of yonder Capitol were to crumble, if its lofty pillars would fall, and its gorgeous decorations be all covered by the dust of the valley. All these might be rebuilt. But who shall reconstruct the fabric of demolished government? Who shall rear again the well-proportioned columns of constitutional liberty? Who shall frame together the skillful architecture which unites national sovereignty with State rights, individual security, and public prosperity? No. If these columns fall, they will be raised not again. Like the Colosseum and the Parthenon, they will be destined to a mournful, a melancholy immortality. Bitterer tears, however, will flow over them than were shed over the monuments of Roman or Grecian art. For they will be the remnants of more glorious edifice than Greece or Rome ever saw: the edifice of constitutional American liberty.


I will continue to fight the fight because one should never give up hope; nevertheless, I am not optimistic.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:27 AM
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16. So, it's Impeachment or Bust
Because Only Impeachment ... can address and counterbalance the Anti-Americanism of the past six years.

It IS our positive agenda.

It is our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:50 AM
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17. K & R thanks for posting. And welcome to DU! nt
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