Hey, Dems for Joe, how are y'all feeling right about now?

[madfloridian]

I hear he said on NPR today to the effect that he would not rule out joining the GOP for a filibuster of the Democrats' non-binding resolution against the war. I heard earlier this week he does not want an investigation about the failures of Katrina..though he promised. I heard even before that he did not want to go "digging around" in pre-war stuff from 2003.

Lieberman said no digging around in 2003

So I wondered how you guys were feeling? Is this what you bargained for when you stuck with him so faithfully against the Democrat who won the CT primary?

How do you feel?

The five moderate Democrats who haven't abandoned Lieberman formed a security detail for their embattled colleague. "We're the escort committee," Mary Landrieu (La.) said as she and Ken Salazar (Colo.) preceded Lieberman into the Senate Democrats' weekly lunch. Does the Lieberman Caucus have a table in the back? "Yes, right here," Landrieu said, beckoning in the direction of a bench outside the room.

Lieberman, entering without a food tester, ate lunch surrounded by Landrieu, Salazar and Tom Carper (Del.). "Look, he's my friend, and I put friendship ahead of partisanship," said Ben Nelson (Neb who, with Mark Pryor (Ark.), completed the Lieberman Caucus. But this is a minority view among Senate Democrats. "It seems to be," Nelson said, somewhat bitterly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/06/AR2006090601808.html

And how about all of you who were supporting him financially and otherwise during the campaign....those of you who were former congress folks or former members of the Clinton administration. How do you feel now? Is this what you expected?

Dems for Joe

These are the national Dems for Joe. The website is down now, but I saved the list.

Former Senator David Boren, OK

Former Senator John Breaux, LA

Former Senator Richard Bryan, NV

Former Senator Dennis DeConcini, AZ

Former Senator J. Bennett Johnston, LA

Former Senator Bob Kerrey, NE

Former Congressman Norman D'Amours, NH

Former Congressman Buddy Darden, GA

Former Congressman Cal Dooley, CA

Former Congressman Ben Erdreich, AL

Former Congressman Mike Espy, MS

Former Congressman Don Fuqua, FLA

Former Congressman Frank Guarini, NJ

Former Congressman Peter Hoagland, NE

Former Congressman Ken Holland, SC

Former Congressman Earl Hutto, FLA

Former Congressman Jay Johnson, WI

Former Congressman and Mayor Ed Koch, NY

Former Congressman John Krebs, CA

Former Congressman Mel Levine, CA

Former Congressman Jim Lloyd, CA

Former Congressman Matt McHugh, NY

Former Congressman Ron Mottl, OH

Former Congressman Tim Penny, MN

Former Congressman Stephen Solarz, NY

Don Baer, Director Of Communications - Clinton Administration

Mark Brzezinski, Former Director of National Security Council – Clinton Administration

Ash Carter, Former Assistant Secretary of Defense - Clinton Administration

Bill Danvers, Senior Director for the National Security Council - Clinton Administration

Lanny Davis, Special Counsel to the President - Clinton Administration

Stuart Eizenstat, Former Deputy Treasury Secretary – Clinton Administration

Steve Elmendorf, Former Chief of Staff to House Democratic Leader Dick Gephardt

Al From, Founder of the Democratic Leadership Council

Bill Galston, Deputy Assistant for Domestic Policy - Clinton Administration

Jamie Gorelick, Deputy Attorney General - Clinton Administration

Martin Indyk, Assistant Secretary Of State, former U.S. Ambassador to Israel - Clinton Administration

Max Kampelman, Ambassador to the CSCE - Carter Administration

Jim Kennedy, Former Spokesman for Former President Bill Clinton and Vice President Al Gore

Simon Lazarus, Associate Director of the White House Domestic Policy Staff – Carter Administration

Michael Levy, Asst. Sec. of Legislative Affairs for the U.S. Dept. of Treasury – Clinton Administration

Abbe Lowell, Chief Minority Counsel to the U.S. House of Representatives

Will Marshall, President and Founder, Progressive Policy Institute

Dana Marshall, Senior Advisor, U.S. Department of Commerce – Clinton Administration

Mack McLarty, Former White House Chief of Staff - Clinton Adminstration


John Nakahata, Chief of Staff to Chairman of the FCC – Clinton Administration

Tom Nides, Special Counsel for Congressional and Intergovernmental Affairs - Clinton Administration

Leon Panetta, Former White House Chief of Staff – Clinton Administration

Tony Podesta, Clinton Transition Team, Former Counsel to Sen. Ted Kennedy

Bruce Reed, Domestic Policy Advisor - Clinton Administration

Dennis Ross, Special Middle East Coordinator- Clinton Administration

David Rothkopf, Acting Under Secretary of Commerce for International Trade - Clinton Administration

Richard Swett, Former Ambassador to Denmark - Clinton Administration

Ben Wattenberg, Aide and Speech Writer to President Lyndon B. Johnson

Jim Woolsey, Former Director of the CIA - Clinton Administration

This does not include the CT Dems for Joe.

[fooj]

1. He played Landrieu like a fiddle.

[Crunchy Frog]

6. How exactly?

Do you think she actually bought his claim that he would support Katrina investigations? She's never struck me as being that stupid or naive.

[Pirate Smile]

16. He now refuses to investigate Katrina and Brownie has now said this:

Brown: Politics Played Role in Katrina

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: January 19, 2007
Filed at 11:53 p.m. ET

NEW YORK (AP) -- Party politics played a role in decisions over whether to take federal control of Louisiana and other areas affected by Hurricane Katrina, former FEMA director Michael Brown said Friday.

Some in the White House suggested only Louisiana should be federalized because it was run by a Democrat, Gov. Kathleen Blanco, Brown told a group of graduate students at a lecture on politics and emergency management at Metropolitan College of New York.

Brown said he had recommended to President Bush that all 90,000 square miles along the Gulf Coast affected by the hurricane be federalized, making the federal government in charge of all agencies responding to the disaster.

''Unbeknownst to me, certain people in the White House were thinking 'We had to federalize Louisiana because she's a white, female Democratic governor and we have a chance to rub her nose in it,'' he said."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Katrina-Brown.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2696099

[tnlefty]

2. Here's a K&R.

I can't comment on this very much, as it really makes me want to hurl!

Hope all is well with you, mad, and thanks for the list again! :hi:

[lligrd]

3. At Least We Can Rest Assured

that this will be his last term. He can't expect to keep getting elected by Republicans for long.

[Mz Pip]

4. For the sake of

the Senate, I am glad he hasn't switched parties. Like it or not, he still has a D/I after his name. I don't agree with him but will take any D we can get - especially in light of the Tim Johnson situation.

He may be a DINO but he still hasn't crossed over to the dark side completely. And I, for one, do not want him to.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Zhade]

28. There is no D after his name. He is not a member of the Democratic party.

NT!

[Rebellious Republican]

33. He is not even a "Dino" anymore, he is more like an "Indo".........

DINO stands for Democrat In Name Only, a disparaging term for a member of the modern-day United States Democratic Party whose words and actions are thought to be too fiscally or socially conservative. The term "Fox News liberal", "Fox Democrat," "Fox News Democrat," or "D-Unot" has also been used in this context <1>. "D-Unot" stands for "Democrat You Not."

The term was created as an analogous opposite to the acronym RINO (Republican In Name Only), which refers to more liberal members of the United States Republican Party. The acronym is a pun on the popular English-language shortening of the word dinosaur (which is often used metaphorically to refer to a long-obsolete person).

"DINO" is used by more ideological (politically speaking) members of the Democrats to challenge fellow party members for their heterodox or relatively conservative positions. In some cases, the platform of the member in question might not be necessarily close to the opponents—but they do not necessarily follow the party line in every case. Many (but not all) of the DINOs are "conservatives" from Southern states which were predominantly Dixiecrat before they switched en masse to the Republican Party. Unlike those who switched parties, these DINOs are content to remain Democrats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_In_Name_Only

On edit: Zell Miller would have been a perfect example of a "Dino"

:kick:

[Crunchy Frog]

5. I'm never voting for Ken Salazar again, I can tell you.

He shouldn't need my vote anyway, since he should get plenty of Repuke votes. In the meantime, since he is apparently in favor of supporting 3rd party candidacies, I will oblige him by supporting any 3rd party progressive candidate who runs against him. I don't think his supporters will have a leg to stand on in criticizing me for this.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

12. I've given up on him as well, plus his brother.

They had a chance to make a difference, instead they chose to ride the gravy train. MKJ

[niyad]

17. I have told ken repeatedly that, had we wanted a conservative, catholic republican, we could have

voted for pete coors. I also told him, the day he voted for the torture bill, that I consider him a traitor, and will gladly work for whichever dem runs against him in the primary.

[Hawkeye-X]

31. I wanted Mike Miles

Instead, the Colorado Democratic Party made a grievous error by forcing us to pick Salazar instead of Miles.

Next time Salazar's up, he's gonna be defeated by a true progressive like Miles!

His voting record does NOT represent my interest.

Hawkeye-X

[Crunchy Frog]

32. I worked on Miles' campaign.

He would have made an outstanding Senator. It kills me how our party treated him.:grr: It kills me the kind of shit I got on this board for saying I supported him over Salazar. :eyes:

[babylonsister]

7. Perhaps he's doing and saying exactly what they want.

:think:

[madfloridian]

8. Could be.

They may be feeling pretty good about things.

Yep.

[blm]

21. True. Establishment powers keep their sway over certain members on both sides

to assure they get the outcome they need.

Like always having pro-choice Republicans and anti-balanced budget Republicans and pro-conservative judges, prowar and anti-labor Democrats. Always make sure they know the outcome of the vote.

[oasis]

9. Former NY Mayor, Ed Koch supported Bush over John Kerry in 2004.

Joe's kind of "Democrat".:puke:

[barb162]

10. You want an investigation about Katrina?

Why? We all saw 24 hours a day for a few weeks what was wrong there. Idiot A hires idiot B (Chertoff) who hires idiot C (Brown). Brown (C) was totally incompetent and inexperienced. I'm surprised he could go to the washroom by himself. If you want to go into issues like why we allow people to build houses a few feet from the water in hurricane areas or why we don't have forced evacuations, those are other stories that have been going on for years. What do you do when people don't want to or can't leave? It's federal, state and local authorities that messed up too. When local tax bodies see that sandbar out there could get a lot of tax money by having a five story condo built on it, they almost always say build. Plus the roads get so crowded, people don't want to leave. There's a hundred other reasons things went totally bad. Just watching the Houston evacuation a few months after Katrina and people returning because the roads were totally blocked and people were running out of gas, I shake my head.

[Zhade]

29. How about, oh, accountability for the administration letting the city die?

I can't believe you actually said that.

[smoogatz]

11. Lo Zoccolo?

You got some splainin' to do.

[Crunchy Frog]

13. Since he's openly stated that he would vote for W

if there was a "D" after his name. I doubt that he's going feel that he owes much of an explanation.

[smoogatz]

14. Wow. He said that?

I don't even know what that means. Anyone who'd vote for W at this point--regardless of party affiliation--would have to be completely fucking brain dead. Wow.

[Crunchy Frog]

15. I unfortunately didn't bookmark it,

but I certainly noted it when I saw it. I geuss that for some people, being a Democrat means nothing whatsoever other than voting for the person with the "D" after their name. Except of course, when it comes to Democratic Senate nominees from CT. :shrug:

[Straight Shooter]

18. It won't happen, but I wish Hagel would turn Democrat so we can kick Unholy Joe to the curb.

Gawd, I despise that shriveled excuse for a man. He never says what he means, and he never means what he says. Probably his first thought every morning is, "What's in it for me?"

[shance]

19. As if Hagel isn't bought and sold. Have you heard about ES&S?

Do your research.

[Straight Shooter]

26. Patronize much?

I know all about Hagel, and I know all about Lieberman, and I'd rather have what-you-see-is-what-you-get Hagel who gets respect from both sides of the aisle than bush-ass-kissing-brown-noser-lying-sonofabitch Lieberman who has everyone tippy-toeing at his slightest whim, thank you very much.

Lesser of two evils and all that.

[JerseygirlCT]

20. He's SO not a Democrat!

Just because he's on the right side on Iraq, doesn't mean he's got ANYTHING else right.

Hagel is a completely conservative Republican. Please don't make the mistake of lionizing him because of his good stand on Iraq.

[durtee librul]

22. Amen....

just becuase he was the first rat off of the sinking ship doesn't make him the captain.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

25. He's positioning himself for a run at the WH. And, doing a damn good job, unfortunately.

He is a man of convictions, and most are in diametrical opposition to the Dems. He is definitely on the right side of this issue, but how hard is that really?

He has out "mavericked" McCain. MKJ

[The Gunslinger]

23. And thanks to all the "Democrats" in CT

Who jumped party lines and voted for the Independent and republican supported Lieberman instead of the Democratic candidate Ned Lamont. Did you really think he'd magically turn into a Democrat again?

[Name removed]

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[Clinton_Co_Regulator]

24. They owe us, and the country an apology

[Beetwasher]

30. Joe's Either Been Promised Something, Blackmailed

Or he's just always been a mole. Or some combination thereof. One things for Certain though, he is one downright slimy piece of shit.