Oh, goody goody. Now AAR is glad Cindy is embarrassing Democrats.

[madfloridian]

This just tires me.

I guess this means none of us who disapprove of her actions yesterday are worthy.

What a tiring two days. Pelosi and Murtha both spoke out firmly against the war today, but Cindy folks here are still going strong attacking anyone who disagrees.

15 on the Greatest page right now...

I am not going to defend myself anymore. Just go ahead and bash and call names, make everyone else feel less wothy than Cindy and her supporters.

We aren't, you know, but there is no way to defend when there are 15 posts on the Greatest page going after us.

[babylonsister]

1. I respect your opinion about Cindy. Please respect those that don't

agree with you.

[madfloridian]

2. I accept I am not worthy.

What else do you want?

Rachel just said it was good she was embarrassing our Democrats.

Now, if I disagree...too bad.

[NYCGirl]

32. I LOVE Rachel Maddow, but I don't always agree with her. For instance, she's

crazy about Tom Vilsack. I'm not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[No Exit]

35. Good post! I am so sick of people whining about Cindy Sheehan.

You were much more courteous to them than I feel like being. They're already at it below with the fucking annoying "Sir" and "Ma'am" shit.

The Sir-Ma'am contingent said Cindy was useful once, but has now outlived her usefulness. Rather cold, isn't it? Kind of like, Casey Sheehan was useful once--but now, we can just relegate his cold, rotting, corpse to the dirt, and forget all about him and the others like him.

Rahm Emanuel DESERVES to be interrupted until he either gets on board the ISSUE THAT GOT HIS PARTY ELECTED--getting us out of these fraudulent wars--or until he loudly declares his favor for these fraudulent wars and openly joins the repukes/profiteers/neocon murderers who are causing them. At least then he won't be a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Puglover]

42. Spot on!

One of the most tiresome shticks on this board!

[No Exit]

44. Thank you!!

[Tom Joad]

3. People like Rahm Emanuel are embarrasing Democrats, who supports the war,

and Harry Reid and others are embarrasing the dems, because they support a "temporary surge", otherwise known as an massive escalation of the Iraq war. Pelosi is saying she opposes the war, but i can't find what steps she proposes to force an end to it and bring troops home. She has made clear that bush will get full funding for the war.

cindy is someone dems should be proud of.

[madfloridian]

6. I am not worthy.

I now admit it.

[The Magistrate]

22. You Are Fine, Ma'am, And Your View Of Ms. Sheehan Correct

She was useful a few years ago, and now is pointless distraction.

About the only value in her actions now is that her attacks on Democrats will serve to re-assure a good many swing voters that by voting Democratic they have not aligned themselves with the "protest crowd" they still regard with a good deal of hostility.

[No Exit]

36. Call a fucking "waahmbulance". It's time to move on. Have you

noticed that Nancy Pelosi was triumphantly sworn in yesterday? Cindy Sheehan has not been elected to anything. She is just a rube from some shitty state who is not worthy of your notice. Forget about her.

[madfloridian]

4. Carville rained on the election parade...

Cindy rained on the Democrats new majority before even hearing what they would say.

Someone is determined we will not get a moment of pride.

They succeeded.

[Tom Joad]

5. what is aar?

[madfloridian]

7. Aur America Radio.

Rachel Maddow.

[sandnsea]

17. Are you KIDDING ME????

Oh man, you do not even know AAR means Air America Radio and yet claim to be a voice against the war??

[Jon8503]

8. She Didn't Embarrass Anyone ------------- I liked the Dem Congressman

from MA who said this is what America is all about and she is a mother who lost her son and she has strong feelings about this war and is trying to get her message out to anyone she can about the war.

He also was there and I think the dems looked at it differently than the republicans do. Yes the republicans are trying to make something of it but Dems believe in free speech, at least most of them, he wasn't upset at all. Yes she did surprise them and yes she did interrupt what they were getting ready to do but she was doing the best she can about an issue she is very passionate about.

America is still free.

[madfloridian]

9. Then why can't I have an opinon without being called...

names.

[babylonsister]

10. See post#1. No names were called; you're being dramatic. nt

[madfloridian]

12. Read the 15 posts on the Greatest page.

All kinds of insults.

I am tired. No more arguing.

I could list my activities against the war, I could show the letters I have had printed against the war....but you see it would not matter. I disapprove of what she did so nothing I did matters.

[babylonsister]

13. Well, FWIW, I don't agree with that either. Your opinion doesn't make

you any less patriotic or liberal or a Democrat than mine does. I'm glad we don't all walk in lock-step; makes for more interesting discussions. Now, if people would only learn to respect those differing opinions, DU would be a nicer, healthier place.

[Jon8503]

20. Right on, what I told him, may not agree with him but that is the way

we are. Believe it hurts us sometimes because the republicans can, it seems, walk in lock-step. However, I would rather be us.

[BoneDaddy]

34. Totally dramatic

I agree

[zanne]

37. While I can sympathize with the OP's feelings...

Does she really expect us to change our minds because her feelings are hurt?

[libnnc]

48. She did the same thing when gay folk got mad at Howard Dean

for speaking to the Christian Broadcasting Network about gay marriage. Some gay people (including me) thought it was pandering and tacky of him. Anyone who criticizes her Howard (no matter what valid point they may have) gets this treatment. Funny, Howard is to her what Cindy is to some of us. Strange that Madfloridian doesn't see the irony.

[madfloridian]

55. What is Cindy to you?

I find this rather a distasteful thing to say. Dean is the reason my hubby and I are still Democrats. We almost left the party after the vote for the war and after his campaign.

I think your post is pretty sad.

I really find it the very worst way to get support for Cindy.

I really don't care what you think about me, but I have not insulted you. I spoke up because I was being insulted by Cindy Sheehan's supporters.

I am so used to this crap.

[libnnc]

57. Whatever. I've never understood you.

You blast people who get the least bit ticked off at Dean and then go off on people who defend Sheehan accusing them of worshiping her. Do you not see the irony?

Your attitude is frankly, kinda weird.

[madfloridian]

58. I am weird, you are right.

Not just my attitude.

Guess you figured me out.

[madfloridian]

56. Read all the other threads. Do a search.

This whole thing has gotten way out of line.

I make no apology for speaking up.

[Jon8503]

18. Hey, as far as I am concerned you can. You have a right to your

opinion, thats what it is all about.

[madfloridian]

25. Rachel Maddow used the word "embarrass."

Not me. She was glad she did.

[xultar]

11. Don't worry about it. I'm in the same boat with you. We'll just party.

I'm bringing the drinks. You bring the ice and the good lookin men.

[AZBlue]

53. I can bring the ice - madfloridian, you've got the good looking men!

:toast: :party: :toast:

[sandnsea]

14. I'm with you

I don't have a problem that she interrupted the press conference as much as it just isn't the time to do it. And all of this Dems support the war, and the out and out LIES about the 'surge' statements, well this is what has been causing Democrats problems in creating a cohesive opposition in the first place. It's pretty easy for Tweety & his ilk to say the Dems won't do anything when the left runs around and says the same damned thing. Just like when they insisted Kerry was 'stay the course', and helped the right create that frame too.

[jumpoffdaplanet]

15. It's because given half a chance,

Democrats will forget who brought them to the dance.

Given half a chance, when it comes to Iraq, Dems will cave in.

And if they cave here, they will cave to other things (like radical judical appointments.

They can not be allowed to forget and give in to the rethugs.

Slap them early and they will be less likely to pretend Liebermann is a role-model.

[Bake]

50. You haven't even given them half a chance

And you have no idea whether they will "cave" or not. While it is true that some Dems have "caved" on various issues in the past twelve years, one reason for that just MIGHT be that we've been the MINORITY PARTY.

I say give 'em a chance and let's see what they do.

Bake

[KingFlorez]

16. I think it's ridiculous what she did

She's attacking people who could turn the situation around for absolutely no reason.

[No Exit]

38. It's ridiculous what Rahm Emanuel (the protestee) did.

He turned down antiwar candidates in favor of pro-war candidates. Fortunately, he was not entirely successful in stacking our nice democratic majority with a bunch of fucking republican/neocon clones going under a phony "democrat" banner.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

19. Enough of the Pro-War-ocrat waffling

They've been in power almost 11 hours now, and they've neither brought the troops home nor put on V for Vendetta masks and used their daggers to defeat Dick Cheney in single combat.

I'm starting a blog to discuss creating a message board to setup a primary challenge for Republican Operative Carl Levin. Who's with me in my fight for freedom?!

[madfloridian]

21. I will give them another hour.

And that's it. No longer.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

27. The World Can't Wait Another Hour

Maybe you'd fit in with your rightwing brothers at FreeRepublic better, madfloridian.

Meanwhile, I've got an appointment for a 5:00 self immolation infront of Jim McDermott's Seattle office. Accept nothing less than total internet commitment to revolution.

[madfloridian]

28. Chuckle.

:rofl:

[talk hard]

23. Cindy ought to give the Democrats 5 seconds to be sworn in

before jumping down their throats.

[Doctor_J]

24. This is why we will never overtake the GOP

Can you imagine hate radio bashing the Repubs on Jan 4 1994? After they'd been in office 1/2 day? ALl the arrows were being directed at Clinton. And you think that AAR would have plenty of things to fire on in the GOP, but nope.

[Edgewater_Joe]

26. This Is Why Democrats Are Better Than Republicans

We don't jump in lockstep -- we hold our leaders' feet to the fire when they don't respond to what we the voters demand they do.

And I'm with Cindy given Bush's insane desire to actually escalate the war. Somebody has to force the Democrats (apparently) to do the right thing, and if she does so, good for her.

Plus, I don't like Rahm. Too greasy for me.

[madfloridian]

29. I give them one more hour to solve the Iraq War problem.

How about you?

Should we give them two hours since they just got sworn in today? Nah.

[Tom Joad]

31. It's not even in Rahm's agenda. Not at all. Except supporting more troops.

[No Exit]

39. Damn right! And she was right to go and say so while the cameras

were still rolling because of the historic "changing of the guard".

[beaconess]

30. I agree with you completely

[BoneDaddy]

33. I guess AAR

and Cindy should just fall in lock step behind the DLC. We should now become like the republicans now that we have power.

If you are opposed to this and think it doesn't deserve the attention she is getting, why still give her power and continue to post about her?

She is entitled to her opinion, as is AAR, about what they think is the appropriate response to Iraq and other issues.

[madfloridian]

40. I am very opposed to the DLC tactics. Please don't accuse me of that.

All you have to do is a search here at DU on my user name and DLC. I have opposed them vehemently.

I support Cindy's main goal, which is stopping this horrible war. But I don't like shutting down conferences of our own party before even giving them a chance.

I don't like being accused of being who I am not because I differ, and that is why I wrote this post. If we opposed her tactic, we were attacked and made to feel worthless.

[BoneDaddy]

41. No need to do that

and perhaps I am reacting to the volume of anti Sheehan threads out there, but the thing you are asking "not to be worthless" is the same thing I am asking that we do with Sheehan, not make her worthless now or demonize her now that her "usefulness" is over.

Believe me, she may bite off her tongue to spite her face, but the amount of anti-Cindy threads because she is holding the Dems as accountable (specially the pro-war crowd)is no reason to kick her to the curb.

[madfloridian]

43. There were 10 then 15 threads on greatest page...

and most of them were started by Cindy's supporters. No one was to disagree.

Look up my user name and DLC, and don't think I ever thought she was useless. I think there are a couple of people who have advised her to do things that were not so good. I admire her personally and what she has done. I got tired of being attacked.

Right after the election, Carville went after Dean and the grassroots movement. It spoiled our feel good moment.

Then just as our Democrats were preparing to take control, she spoils it for many of us.

I don't like Rahm, but he should have had his conference.

[rhett o rick]

45. Question--What do you think is the most important issue facing this Country?

The minimum wage?

[madfloridian]

46. Before you start questioning my values and beliefs...

do some reading. The red button takes you to my journal. I pour my heart out every day here about this evil war.

I'm done. Cindy's God, I'm not.

That is my problem, that no one is allowed dissent.

[Bake]

51. Sigh. Give it up, MF ...

hehe ... MF ... hehe ...

We should just admit that we're wrong, and go sit quietly in the corner. In fact, ALL Dems are wrong. None of us are worthy.

We're sorry.

Bake

[AZBlue]

54. Forget health care, poverty and education and focus only on Iraq?

Hell of a way to run a country....but wait, isn't that GWB's method? Yeah...I knew it sounded familiar.

[BoneDaddy]

49. Understood

good points.

[Freddie Stubbs]

47. The only one who Ms. Sheehan embarrassed

was herself.

[Geek_Girl]

52. I don't like what she did

But she has a right to speak out. Just like you have every right to criticize her for it. So you shouldn't feel less worthy.

;)