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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:23 PM
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Poll question: In a liberal Democracy, are political dynasties...
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 11:36 PM by Clarkie1
And dynasty means a politically elite ruling family or families holding the office of the Presidency continuously over an extended period of time, for those on the board who are apparently unclear on my meaning.

Reminder: There are over 300 million people in America today, a good portion of which are over 35 years of age.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:25 PM
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1. America doesn't need a Prince Charles and a Camilla
No more Bushes or Clintons!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:30 PM
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5. No more bushy clintons?
But More Gore? A Gore dynasty sounds good. look at what he's doing... fighting for the little guy against the mass of polluters who would turn this world upside-down for a few dollars. Gore's a hero! The stuff history is made of!
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:27 PM
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2. Democracy and Dynasties are completely incompatible IMHO.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:28 PM
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3. A Succession of members of the same family...
To be precise!!!

We have had one dynasty in American history...the Bushes
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:35 PM
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6. Let's not make it two. nt
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:40 PM
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7. There has never been a dynasty...
I have been up too late...

Of course there has never been a succession of Bush Presidencies either...

I'll meet you half way...I do not want to see anymore Bush presidencies


Another CLinton I am all for!
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:41 PM
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8. Whatever. The dictionary definition isn't my point.
I think you understand my point. See ya.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:29 PM
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4. This is really up to the people.
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 11:30 PM by Selatius
I'm sure, though, most people, informed and free from the deleterious influence of corporate propaganda, would probably choose against the formation of dynasties. It's one step backward towards aristocracy.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:42 PM
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9. Depends on the dynasty
Does anyone honestly think we'd be worse off if we'd had 16 (or even 24) years of Kennedy Presidencies?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 02:19 AM
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11. Excellent point. (n/t)
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:48 AM
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13. We had a couple of fairly decent Roosevelts....
They were only distant cousins, but had the same name. (And I wouldn't have minded a few more Kennedy years.)

I say--vote for or against Hilary because of what SHE does & says.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:04 AM
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10. Poll is at odds
First off Hillary is Rodham and a Clinton by marriage.

Second what do you think of sports families where generations (Mannings in NFL and more http://www.askmen.com/sports/fitness_top_ten/41b_fitness_list.html) or siblings (Serena and Venus in tennis) are tops at their game. Is that not possible in politics? Were the Kennedy's a negative influence in U.S. history? It seems nurture and nature can produce a dynasty that can be good the Bush family not withstanding.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 03:45 AM
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12. It's a concentration of power
The interrupted succession of the Bushes could have kept that family in power for generations if they had chosen the "right son."
All of those electoral and political relationships continue to amass power.
If Hillary Clinton is elected as a part of an interrupted succession with James Carville on the team, he's back on top, as well as every person associated with the first Clinton administration.
Of course, a considerable number of people conceive of putting Hillary in the WH as a way of getting Bill back into policy?
Don't think he doesn't still owe some favors, and that that won't place her in an awkward position.
It's a terrible idea.
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:18 AM
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14. Many of the US presidents have been related...
by blood and/or family.

If I recall correctly, FDR was related to about 15 other presidents.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:33 AM
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15. I'm More Bothered About Financial Dynasties
Except for the cost of a campaign, which one must be able to afford, I'm not so bothered by the idea of families who dedicate themselves to serving their country, politically.

Financial dynasties, on the other hand, serve only to screw the "common folk."

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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:51 AM
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16. I think that's it
Wrong-headed Dynasty for the sake of power and money rather than governance should be deeply feared.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:04 AM
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17. "Power corrupts," said Lord Acton
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Lord Acton was right.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:21 AM
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18. all this talk of "dynasties"
I think it is a crutch (one among many) by those who can't face the possibility that Hillary Clinton could become President.

I'd be willing to wage that none of you would feel this way if the last name in question was "Kennedy," specifically, if Bobby had lived and won or if Ted had won.

Then it wouldn't be a dynasty, it would be the "will of the people" or "Democracy in action" or "that's ok because they're good progressive candidates."
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