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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:45 AM
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The Note reports Hillary will join Holy Joe at 3PM to announce launch of PSA video game ratings
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) attends the Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing at 9:30 am ET to examine the Iraq Study Group report in room 216 of the Hart Senate Office Building. She later joins Sen. Lieberman (I-CT) at a press conference to announce the launch of a nationwide television PSA campaign about video game ratings at 3:00 pm ET in the Dirksen Senate Office Building in Washington, DC.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=156238
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:47 AM
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1. good. Now I'll know what is in the video games before I let my kid play them.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:10 AM
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10. The content of the game is already listed on the box
And in the age of the internet getting indepth information on a video game can be done as quickly as booting up your computer and going to google. I can understand that in the early 90's there was a reason to be worried about giving parents more information about video games because the internet had not taken off yet, but all of this information is available online and easily accessible to parents.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:16 AM
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12. well, some parents either don't have the time to research it or don't know how
Nice to have the info available for parents like that.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:22 AM
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13. my son is studying
Game Art and Design and I had the opportunity to view some of the crap on the market. I was stunned at the level of violence and profanity. Seriously. I had no idea.

Normally I wouldn't support this sort of sphincter police stuff, but as a parent I have to agree with wyldwolf on this one.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:33 AM
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18. Games are getting more violent because the graphics are getting better
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 11:34 AM by Hippo_Tron
Remember how everyone made a fuss about Mortal Kombat back in the early 90's? Show a 13 or 14 year old the original Mortal Kombat and they will ask "why is red paint coming out of the characters"?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:31 AM
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17. In a matter of seconds I pulled this off of google images by typing "Grand Theft Auto"


There are several more images like this available online as well as reviews of the games that state their content. Not only that but there's already a rating label and content description on the box.

I find it extremely hard to believe that parents who have time to go to the store and buy a video game for their kids don't have time to take a few minutes to do some internet research.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:38 AM
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20. uh... so?
It certainly isn't up to you to decide how parents budget their time.

I suppose we should remove the warning labels on tobacco products? You'd probably say yes because the information is available on the internet.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:44 AM
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21. Did I suggest we remove the labels on anything?
The labels are already on the video games and rightfully so. I was stating that if parents want more information than the labels, which are pretty adequate IMO, they can take a look on the internet.

Since the labels are already there I honestly don't see the purpose of the government spending any further time on the matter.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:52 AM
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22. my point is this
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 11:53 AM by wyldwolf
it isn't for you or me to decide how parents gather the information.

It is obvious YOU think the labels are adequate, but others don't. I don't. I know something is rated "M" for mature, but why is it rated that? I like movie reviewers who tell exactly why a movie is rated R.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:10 PM
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26. It says why it is rated that ON THE BOX
Here is an example of a typical video game rating as it appears on the box.



What more do you want?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:13 PM
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27. this isn't about labels. It is about TV Public Service Announcements ....
... bring the labels to the attention of parents.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:17 PM
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28. Once again the labels are on the box
All parents have to do is look at the box to see the label that tells them what the game is rated and what is in the game. I don't see why we need to spend money on TV Public Service Announcements.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:19 PM
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29. once again, so what? This is about PSAs
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:27 PM
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32. What is the need for PSA's?
It's about political grandstanding because PSA's serve no purpose other than to tell parents how to raise their kids.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:34 PM
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34. Educational. Are PSA on drug abuse political grandstanding?
The PSAs aren't telling the parents how to raise their kids. Their informing parents of thing they may like to know.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:36 PM
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35. I don't see the point of informing them of the obvious
"Parents there is a video game rating and content description on the box." All parents have to do is look at the box to discover this, why the need for a PSA?

And responding to your comment about drug abuse PSA's would bring us into a whole different tangent about the war on drugs which is something for a seperate thread.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:39 PM
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37. But I do
"Parents, before your kids play that new PS2 game, you can find useful information on it's contents right on the side of the box."

Useful.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:03 PM
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39. And you're saying that parents won't notice the information on the side of the box by themselves?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:06 PM
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40. some won't. I can make your argument for any PSA. Are you saying we shouldn't have PSAs?
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 03:45 PM
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54. A government PSA
implies that the government is condoning a ranking system, which is the heart of the matter here. If the video game companies want to pool their money so that they can tell people about the rating system they have had in place for years, then you would find far fewer people have a problem with it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 03:47 PM
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55. The government DOES condone a ranking system. So?
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 03:59 PM
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58. And where do you get this?
The ESRB was created to keep government out of the rating business. It's self-regulatory. They don't want the government stepping in, which is what government PSA's represent.

First they get PSA's, then what? "Suggestions" from Hillary and Joe and the rest of the nannies as to what the ratings should be? They never did PSA's that I can remember for albums after that controversy, so why start now with video games?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:03 PM
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63. "Condone" means to approve. The government approves of a ranking system
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:13 PM
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66. Poor choice of a word. Are you just going to argue semantics?
The ESRB is not a government institution and does not take government input. Why should the government be creating PSA's?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:19 PM
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67. The difference is night and day.
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 04:23 PM by wyldwolf
Why should the government be creating PSA's?

As a public service.

But as the Washington Post says, it is a joint effort WITH the industry's own rating board in a nationwide educational television campaign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

... and MacWorld:

GamePolitics.com reports that Clinton and Lieberman will appear with Entertainment Software Association (ESA) president Doug Lowenstein and ESRB president Patricia Vance to announce a new nationwide television campaign to help educate parents and others on video game ratings. The ads reportedly will also feature executives from electronics retailers Best Buy and GameStop.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/12/07/ratings/index.p...
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:51 PM
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132. IIRC, Hillary has supported legislation to make ESRB ratings
government-enforced. She views PSA's as a step, not a goal, IMHO.

She also consponsored a bill with Rick Santorum (yes, that Santorum) to "study" how games are rated and how the ratings are enforced.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:58 PM
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80. We shouldn't waste money on things...
That are already apparent. PSA money should be spent educating people on things that aren't obvious. "See that label on the box, you can read it", that is a rediculous waste of money and a waste of time, but then, it doesn't matter, it is ultimately about "coming out against violent video games", instead of "coming out against more government waste".

I wonder how much money it is going to cost to produce and present these ads and how many meals that money could have supplied to hungry/homeless people during the holidays.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:43 PM
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126. If they are that ignorant that they don't even know there is a label on the kids box...
then it seems to me they aren't paying too much attention to their parenting duties anyways and no tv commercial is going to make them a good parent.

I am sorry but that rating is obvious to anyone who pays even the slightest bit of attention.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:37 PM
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135. Um... who watches PSAs?
I'd sooner see a label on a box than watch a commercial. Particularly in the age of Tivo.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:41 PM
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102. Your argument is disingenuous.
Stores that sell video games post exactly what the ratings are and where and how to look for them, RIGHT BESIDE THE GAMES. Likewise, pamphlets are readily available at the counter.

Go into an EB Games sometime - you'll see the chart explaining the ratings displayed quite clearly. If it's not up, the store is not doing its required job.

(And don't try to bullshit me on this one, because my best friend manages an EB Games in Marina del Rey, and I know what I'm talking about. Only a parent determined not to see it could miss the large signs all over stores explaining the ratings system.)

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:15 PM
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112. like that Clinton and DLC/PNAC thing?
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:40 PM
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122. Have you watched any of those commercials on drug abuse?
My god some of them make "Reefer Madness" look tame by comparision. Yes, they are total political grandstanding and studies of them have shown them to be completely ineffective.

These ads on video games are the same situation. Why aren't they running ads on the movie rating system? Afterall there is certainly just as much bad stuff in movies as there is in video games. And it is not like the video games rating system is too difficult to figure out. It says the appropriate age range and why it was given that rating right on the box. No thirty second ad is going to tell the parents anything of importance beyond what the letters on the packages mean, and that is already so well publicized that there is no reason to invest major government resources into an ad campaign.

I mean seriously we have people who are extremely sick and have no health care coverage, we have people homeless on the streets, we have major environmental problems, and we have a debt that is out of control and these Senators want to waste our tax dollars "educating" parents about something that is already made very clear to them in much more effective ways than a thirty second ad?

Give me a break.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:03 PM
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100. I don't play these games, but don't they already have ratings like "M" for mature?
Why isn't that enough?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 03:05 PM
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48. Parents don't have five seconds to read the back of the box?
It literally takes that long, and it's spelled out quite clearly what's inside.

Words like "gore" and "adult language" aren't mysteries, either.

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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:25 AM
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14. It's already on the box
This just seems like overkill.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:48 AM
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2. Video game ratings?
Christ...we've now seen an entire generation grow up on violent videogames. And the kids aren't noticeably more evil than they were when I was young and the world still hasn't fallen apart.

Priorities, people?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:50 AM
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4. The deck chairs need rearranging....
:argh:
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:05 PM
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25. It used to be comic books.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #2
44. Columbine, Jonesboro, West Nickel Mines School...
I'm not so sure about that.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 03:43 PM
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53. And what do you think is causing that?
Rock music? Video games? Fluorinated water? Does anyone know?

Maybe we ought to figure out why kids snap before we start grandstanding and making CYA solutions that attack popular boogeymen.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #53
64. It is likely the combination of a lot of factors, but
it is hard to dispute the fact todays youth is more violent than the youth of 40 years ago.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:10 PM
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65. And you have evidence of this?
Not anecdotes, but hard numbers?
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #65
81. Yes, hard facts and graphs


Oh wait, that shows exactly the opposite effect.

Hmmmm
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #81
89. That's what the video gamers call PWN3D.
Milo, you are full of win.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #81
131. That graph show youth victims, not perpetrators
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #64
105. That's a lie, as proven directly below.
You just got pwned, n00b.

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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #64
110. I think it's the easy access to guns and the shitty parenting.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #64
136. No they're not - we just hear about it more since we now have
instantanous, 24-hour news.

I think you should look over this: http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/history/pome...

There has always been violent children and always will be. The percentages are about the same, given the growth in population.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #44
69. Tell me why? I don't like mondays
is all the answer I feel I need to give.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:03 PM
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74. And do you have ANY evidence that violent video games had ANYTHING to do with those?
no you don't, but instead of looking for the real cause of these problems, it is easier just to blame it on some 3rd party.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #44
85. Billy the Kid, Joan of Arc, Alexander the Great....
Pretty sure they didn't have video games.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #85
106. "What were those video games Hitler gave the entire German army again?" - David Cross.
Indeed, my friend. Indeed.

Some like to lie about violent video games causing increased violence, though, that much is clear.

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #2
61. Video game violence = bad. Real world violence in Iraq = good.
Yeah, she has some seriously fucked up priorities.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #61
121. ZING!
"Fucked up" is right.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:45 PM
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129. "the kids aren't noticeably more evil" - - you don't hang out with kids much do you?
I do. I work with schools. Daily. Let me tell you, the kids are violent, angry, stupid, rude, insensitive and amoral. Yes, kids will be kids....but this is kids being thugs. Video games aren't the only reason, but they play a significant part.
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:50 AM
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3. Political opportunism at its most naked. Pitiful.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:51 AM
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5. The busier Holy Joe is with game rating, the less damage
he can do in more important issues (i.e. Iraq)

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:46 PM
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103. Good point, but Senator Clinton wants to be President of the United States
And I'm concerned about the fact that our potential nominee doesn't have better things to do with her time.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:54 AM
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6. If this same thread was about Kerry, it would have 45 votes for GP by now
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. Right. We think this is pandering, craven pandering
only because it is Clinton, not because it is craven pandering. Got it. Pathetic.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:50 PM
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93. Well, since Kerry doesn't pander to the rightwing culture warriors...
Your hypothetical is unlikely.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #93
114. Rightwing Culture Warriors
Arent they a band from southeast Texas?

Your hypothetical is unlikely.

Okay, 13 votes ;)
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #114
128. Hah
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 10:19 PM by WildEyedLiberal
:P

And to answer your question, no, because Rightwing Culture Warriors believe music comes from Satan just like video games and TV and magazines and public schools and everything else that keeps kids from being isolated in their houses thinking about Jesus.

Won't someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN??????????????????????????????
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:46 PM
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130. Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner!!
Thank you!!
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:59 AM
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8. Yea...
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 11:03 AM by ms liberty
After all, those damned video games are just such a huge fucking problem in America, aren't they? You know, so much more important than the job losses, homelessness, poverty & hunger, foreclosures, global warming & climate change, excessive CEO compensation, media monopolies, corporate monopolies, campaign reform, election fraud,...et cetera, et cetera.

But Hillary's just sooooo wonderful...

:sarcasm:

on edit: it's not just Hillary - it's ALL of them who seem to think this crap should be seen as some kind of MEANINGFUL legislation for the problems we've got in this country.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:02 AM
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9. Uh, hellooooo? We got people dying in Iraq, Darfur, Congo...
...and Hillary wants to make time for a warning sticker for Halo 2? Give me a break.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:11 AM
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11. fucking video games have been rated for years.
What pandering horseshit.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:30 AM
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15. she might alienate
the important video game voting bloc, she better sit this one out
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:30 AM
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16. At least it is only Lieberman and Clinton wasting their time on this
I would be disappointed if this involved Senators whose time were needed on more important issues.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:34 AM
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19. And some wonder why so many of us don't support these shills.

"Won't somebody please think of the children?!?"
:eyes:
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 11:53 AM
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23. I'm sort of neutral on the game
ratings. It's nice for parents to know these things but my kids are in their 20's and I trust their judgement. The thing that bothers me is that this is what she chooses to speak out on. She rarely does anything that would show her a leader so this seems totally political. Nothing, no statements I have heard on the war but this is what she picks to speak on? If she is sincere about being the leader of our country she needed to do more, like actually be a leader.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:27 PM
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31. It's called political grandstanding, and there's a certain type of voter it appeals to
Senator Clinton isn't appealing to parents who are concerned about the video games that their children are playing. Any parent concerned about this knows that there is a rating system and a content description listed on the box of every video game and not only that, but a vast wealth of information available if you take 5 minutes to boot up the internet.

Senator Clinton is appealing to parents who don't want other peoples' kids playing these games for fear that they will spread their evil immoral thoughts.

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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:03 PM
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24. Check out Arianna Huffingtons column in LA TImes today..
She gives it to Hillary. Quite accurately I think
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:20 PM
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30. I really don't give a rat's ass what Arianna has to say about anything
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 02:31 PM
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46. Jesus what a pile of projection
Not only is this column condescending as hell, you could change the names and be describing Huffington.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:01 PM
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60. Huffington should have stayed Republican...nt
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:32 PM
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33. Senator Estes Kefauver was big on bitching about violence in comic books in the 1950's
Thankfully Stan Lee completely undermined the Comics Code Authority and we can enjoy the comic books that we have today.

Whenever there is a new medium of entertainment politicians will always find a way to complain that it is corrupting our youth.
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 02:24 PM
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45. I find it hilarious that the EC Comics that really pushed those Kefauver hearings...
...are now being reprinted in beautiful hardcover editions with introductions by people like Steven Spielberg and George Lucas. Vilified then, embraced and respected now.

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:54 PM
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137. That reminds me - I wanna watch "Mall Rats" this weekend.
:7
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:38 PM
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36. Plagues, genocide, famine and war goin' on
Thank god somebody's got the good sense to stand up and lead us on the important issues!

*sigh*

Julie
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:46 PM
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38. Hillary is a freaking joke
The only things she ever speaks out on are video games and flag burning amendments.

I cannot fathom how anyone in their right mind would want this woman to represent them in the Senate, much less the entire country!
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:42 PM
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42. I guess there's an awful lot of people in NY state who are
not in their "right minds", then.

Oh, and yeah, she voted against the flag burning amendment. That's what you were getting at, right? Unless you support a flag burning amendment?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:59 PM
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43. proposed a flag burning law instead.
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 02:30 PM by endarkenment
as a political ploy. Who knows what she actually believes on that subject, that issue of burning importance.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 03:48 PM
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57. She supported...
A law that would have made flag burning illegal on federal property as a method of intimidation...as a way to head off an amendment that looked like it was going to pass...

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #57
71. no as a way of triangualting in true clintonian fashion.
When you deny that any criticism is valid you are just a polar opposite to the hillary bashers you despise. She has problems. Don't we all?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. You aren't entitled to rewrite history...
The facts are as I have stated them...
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:26 PM
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75. Are they?
"10/24/2005--Introduced.
Flag Protection Act of 2005 - Amends the federal criminal code to revise provisions regarding desecration of the flag to prohibit: (1) destroying or damaging a U.S. flag with the primary purpose and intent to incite or produce imminent violence or a breach of the peace; (2) intentionally threatening or intimidating any person, or group of persons, by burning a U.S. flag; or (3) stealing or knowingly converting the use of a U.S. flag belonging to the United States, or belonging to another person on U.S. lands, and intentionally destroying or damaging that flag."
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?tab=summary&bi...

These are not the facts as you stated them.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:09 PM
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83. Ok you have provided the text of the bill...
So?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:45 PM
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90. You are hopeless.
Unless you have gone back and edited your posts it does not agree with your assertions. Bad legislation for purposes of political posturing. Liberty sacrificed for expediency. No thanks.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:50 PM
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94. Ridiculous...
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 06:51 PM by SaveElmer
Your ability to deny what is true is breath taking...your naivete regarding the political process is alspo breathtaking!

If people like you had their way every Democrat would commit political suicide over every inane issue.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:54 PM
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96. Here is what you said
"She supported a law that would have outlawed flag burning on government property with the intention to intimidate others"

here is the summary of the law:

"10/24/2005--Introduced.
Flag Protection Act of 2005 - Amends the federal criminal code to revise provisions regarding desecration of the flag to prohibit: (1) destroying or damaging a U.S. flag with the primary purpose and intent to incite or produce imminent violence or a breach of the peace; (2) intentionally threatening or intimidating any person, or group of persons, by burning a U.S. flag; or (3) stealing or knowingly converting the use of a U.S. flag belonging to the United States, or belonging to another person on U.S. lands, and intentionally destroying or damaging that flag."

Your statement was misleading either intentionally or because you were ignorant of the actual proposed legislation.

You can no longer claim ignorance.

Cheers.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:57 PM
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97. Do you seriously expect political motivation to be written in to the bill...
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 06:57 PM by SaveElmer
Brother...do you have any idea how the political process works...?

I don't recall seeing anything in the proposed Marriage Amendment saying it was being proposed to rally the conservative base...but we all know that is what it was for...

Hillary Clinton and some other Democrats supported this law to help forestall passage of the Flag Burning amendment...



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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #97
98. nice try,
You and me are done here. Or at least I'm done discussing this with you. You made a specific statement about this legislation that was demonstrably false. Deal with it.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. Go away...
Live in ignorance...
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. This proves once again...
WHY HILLARY IS NOTHING BUT AN EMPTY SUIT.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. your post proves very little
one might even say it's....

nebulous!


:nuke: !!!!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #38
51. And for the 132nd time on DU...
I will correct a Hillary basher by pointing out she has NEVER...repeat NEVER...supported a flag burning amendment...

It is a lie to say otherwise
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #51
70. proposed a flag burning law instead.
as a political ploy. her actual position on this issue of burning importance remains a mystery.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:54 PM
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72. No it is not...
Her position is she does not support a flag burning amendment...

She supported a law that would have outlawed flag burning on government property with the intention to intimidate others...she did so to head off the more drastic amendment which was headed for possible passage at the time...

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:28 PM
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76. Not according to the summary
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?tab=summary&bi...

"10/24/2005--Introduced.
Flag Protection Act of 2005 - Amends the federal criminal code to revise provisions regarding desecration of the flag to prohibit: (1) destroying or damaging a U.S. flag with the primary purpose and intent to incite or produce imminent violence or a breach of the peace; (2) intentionally threatening or intimidating any person, or group of persons, by burning a U.S. flag; or (3) stealing or knowingly converting the use of a U.S. flag belonging to the United States, or belonging to another person on U.S. lands, and intentionally destroying or damaging that flag."

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:11 PM
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84. Again you have provided the text of the bill...
Its not like their are gonna write into the Bill..

Resolved...because we think flag amendment backers are dumbasses we hereby resolve to pass this law to head off an amendment...


It is the same rationale many Democrats used to push a censure of President Clinton to help avoid an impeachment trial, it is an often used technique used in Congress to allow everyone to get out of a bad situation without losing face...


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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #70
86. Maybe the flag dosen't mean squat to you, but it does to her
Anyway, go ahead and desecrate Old Glory, pal, if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:47 PM
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91. Ah a true patriot.
Your patriotism is obviously far superior to mine. I wonder, does the flag symbolize such concepts as freedom of speech? What means more to you, the flag, or freedom of speech?
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:39 PM
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101. That's clearly what s/he said
:eyes:

Anyway, go ahead and keep repeating right-wing talking points, pal, if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:24 PM
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115. The right wing doesn't own the flag, so enough about right wing talking points
but in case respecting the flag is right wing talking points to you, then give me those talking points over your own silly whining points.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:40 PM
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41. That which is not banned is strictly prohibited.
Some here object to 'smothering nanny state left-authoritarianism', but what else would one call this sort of idiocy?

How about we try freedom and personal responsibility?

If it isn't the religious prudes on the right it is the secular prudes on the left. I have had it up to my neck with the freaking prudes.


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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 03:15 PM
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50. You are not the only one
thankfully left-wing authoritarians have a strong group of left-wing libertarians to counter them.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 03:34 PM
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52. Good...as the father of a 13 year old video gamer...
I find it very helpful to have those ratings on there. Just as I want to know the content of a movie (which for some reason no one here has a problem with), I like to know what is in these games...

For parents with less time than I have, I think these PSA's are probably a good idea!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:27 PM
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117. You already have ratings,,, Hillary wants censorship
and Democrats will lose the votes of gamers old enough to vote if we are stupid enough to nominate this calculating, triangulating, and morally bankrupt woman.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #117
120. Why is it you Hillaryphobes can't take two minutes to actually check..
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 09:39 PM by SaveElmer
That what you say is actually true...

Thirty seconds out of your precious day would have revealed the following...that the event Hillary was attending, was cosponsored by the video game manufacturers themselves aimed at encouraging parents to use video game ratings when buying games for their children...

Since you are too lazy to do it for yourself I will provide the information for you!!!



Washington, DC U.S. Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) and Joe Lieberman (I-CT) today joined Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) president Patricia Vance on Capitol Hill to launch a new nationwide television PSA campaign that encourages parents to use the video game ratings when buying games for their children. Best Buy president Brian Dunn and GameStop president Steve Morgan appear in the PSAs, affirming their respective companys commitment to support the ESRB ratings and their store policy not to sell Mature rated games to children under 17 without their parents permission.

We all share in the responsibility of making sure our children play age-appropriate video games, and Im pleased that the ESRB and retailers are working together to educate parents about the video game ratings and make sure they are enforced, said Senator Clinton. As we enter the holiday shopping season, it is important that parents have the information they need to make informed choices that are right for their families.

"I continue to be concerned about the impact on minors of playing violent video games intended for older players. Thus, I am very pleased that the ESRB and the retailers are taking these positive steps to reach out to parents to educate them about the rating system, said Senator Lieberman. I have long said that the ESRB ratings are the most comprehensive in the media industry. There are many age-appropriate games that are clever and entertaining. Parents should understand and use the ratings to help them decide which video games to buy for their families."

The ads have been distributed to 800 stations across the country, and were timed to coincide with the busy Holiday shopping season when more than half of video games are sold each year. The ESRB is also distributing a radio PSA campaign along with its award winning OK to Play? Check the Ratings print PSA campaign to media outlets nationwide.

The ESRB ratings are a helpful guide for parents, and this PSA campaign is the latest of our efforts to educate parents about the rating system and why it is important for them to use it, said ESRB president Patricia Vance. Were excited to have the support of Senators Clinton and Lieberman, Best Buy and GameStop in this significant initiative to help ensure that parents choose appropriate games for their children.

The ESRB video game rating system was created in 1994 by the entertainment software industry in order to provide consumers, particularly parents, with information about the computer and video games they consider purchasing for their family. Virtually every game sold at retail carries an ESRB rating. Consumer research shows that 83% of American parents with children who play video games are aware of the ratings, and three in four use them regularly when choosing which games they deem appropriate for their children.

The ESRB is a non-profit, self-regulatory body established in 1994 by the Entertainment Software Association (ESA). ESRB independently applies computer and video game content ratings, enforces advertising guidelines, and helps ensure responsible online privacy practices for the interactive entertainment software industry. For more information, visit www.esrb.org .





http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?i...
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 03:48 PM
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56. At least she has a sense of timing and did not announce this on Monday
the anniversary date of the death of Frank Zappa....she waited 72 hours. Think that was long enough.



We need a facetious emoticon...we really do.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:00 PM
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59. Hillary/Lieberman '08
I can see it now. That's the ticket they want.

How sad that Hillary has an easier time condemning video game violence than she does condemning real world violence in Iraq. What hypocritical bullshit.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #59
108. Your post title cracked me up.
One of the things I love most about DU is the humor. :rofl: :toast:

Julie
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:03 PM
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62. she won't get the youth vote.
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 04:05 PM by MATTMAN
which is me and right now she is at the bottom of my list.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #62
82. Well, the youth vote isn't just you
I'm a young person too, and I have absolutely no problem with video game ratings, etc. - as a matter of fact, I'm in favor of that kind of thing.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #82
104. I'm 19 and I have no problem with video game ratings
I do have a problem with political grandstanding to reach out to right wing culture warriors.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #104
107. Precisely.
Someone needs to tell Hillary and Joe that video games ALREADY HAVE RATINGS. Buying a video game is NO different than buying a movie. I remember when I was 18 and I bought an M rated game and the cashier CARDED me to make sure I was old enough.

This amounts to nothing more than pandering to the rightwing "sex and violence and drugs in entertainment, oh my GOSH why won't anyone think of the CHILDREN??????" crap.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #107
123. She is not advocating a change in ratings...these are simply
PSA's aimed at envcouraging parents to use them...no different that ads encouraging parents to use movie ratings or the V-chip...


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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:15 PM
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127. I just don't see the point
I really resent nanny-statism of any kind, and to me this is exactly the same thing... the ratings are already there. Any parent who cares about the content of their kids' videogames can tell, immediately, by picking up the box. If Joey asked for Grand Theft Auto for Christmas, unless Mom is blind, she will see M label on the front of the box, and it will take her an additional one second to turn the box over and read why the game is rated M - drugs, violence, sex, etc.

The idea of a public service announcement for something that is already very obviously available to anyone who actually picks up the game box is ludicrous. At what point do parents become responsible for what their kids play? If Mom doesn't want Joey to play Grant Theft Auto, Mom should be responsible enough to take 2 seconds to look at the game her son wants before she buys it for him. If Joey gets it from someone else, and Mom doesn't want him to play it, Mom should actually act like a parent and take it away from him - because all she has to do is look at the readily available info about the game to see that it's inappropriate. Why do parents need the government to tell them this?

Sorry, I think this is a stupid, bad idea, and I would regardless of who came up with it.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #104
111. Well, that's a completely different issue
and it doesn't have anything to do with one's age. I'm saying that, as a young person, I don't have a problem with video game ratings.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #82
113. we already have video game ratings
I did not say I disagree with them I just think she should be focusing on more important things.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #113
118. Well, that's fine
sorry I misinterpreted you; you didn't make it clear what you took issue with her about. I know we already have video game ratings ("rated M for mature," "rated E for everyone," and whatever else they say in the commercials), I just think wanting her to focus on other things has anything to do with one's age. What I was trying to say is that just because you are a young person doesn't necessarily mean that all young people or that even a majority of them hold your same views (and I don't think they necessarily hold mine either). I was just disagreeing with your generalization.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #118
119. fair enough
but this is not the only issue that has Hillary at the battom of my list.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:46 PM
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68. Ahhh, the 2008 ticket: Hillary/Lieberman
Birds of a feather flock together!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:17 PM
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88. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #88
92. Link?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #88
116. I am not a member of the Green Party, Senator Joe McCarthy
I suppose I can call you a snake just based on your screen name, using your Rovian tactics.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #116
133. Yeah, sure, and I'm Hopalong Cassidy, Madame Schwartzenegar
I suppose I can call you a snake


That would be nice. It would be a first step in us getting along better in the future. :smoke:
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:29 PM
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77. This what I really dislike about her.
She'll take a stand on meaningless issues while the important things she blows in the wind on. I can't stand her and her phoney baloney bullshit.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. In a nutshell.
On the tough issues she's a windsock (and she certainly has plenty of company in our party). On the idiotic do-goodery front she's all over it with policy initiatives.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #77
134. But, she's a triangulator..
except she forgot us in the equation.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:47 PM
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79. Nice to see this country adhere to it's Puritan roots
The Miss Grundy's have to be on guard to protect the lazy parents of America.

Kudos, Joe and Hilly . . . kudos.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:16 PM
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87. Is Hillary getting money from the movie industry lobby?
They're losing billions to the video game industry.

It's the only sort of reason this shit makes sense.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:52 PM
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95. This is typical Hillary
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 06:56 PM by fujiyama
Ah, violent video games are the downfall of western civilization I suppose. Forget the war, which at this point, she is absolutely silent on. Oh what is Hillary's plan again? Is it the typical "We can't leave now, because Iraq will get worse" BS. Yeah, it's going to get worse than what has turned into a retaliatory ethnic cleansing.

Ratings on video games EXIST already. Any parent that buys a rated "M" game not knowing the game may have material considered inappropriate for children, is FUCKING ILLITERATE. There is a label on the corner of the box.

This is a waste of time and money. Hillary would be a waste of a candidacy. I don't even know what the point of voting for her in the general election.

I almost want her to get nominated to see her lose and shut over six years of idiotic expectations about how she'll run...because she won't win.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:09 PM
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109. the nation can rest easy.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:42 PM
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124. When will the deck chairs be all arranged so we can
start thinking about the gigantic hole in the hull?

Jeezus, we are so screwn.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:42 PM
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125. You know
I think that the majority of Democrats and liberals want nothing to do with Hillary. (I know the right wing and FOX certainly do, however) I think those that pander for her on this site try too hard. She has done nothing in the last five years to inspire hope or devotion from anyone on the left or middle. Not all the great people on here that say, yeah I'd vote for her if she was my only choice, not the people that have some nice things to say about her (and personally she does seem like a really smart and decent person) but just this PASSION for Hillary Clinton. I don't believe them. I believe the Kerry people, the Clark people, the Dean people, the Kuchinich people, the Edwards people, the Gore people, but I do not believe the Hillary Clinton people. Unless it's a plot to get Bill back. Which is the only thing that makes sense. If they just said I really want Bill Clinton back-then it would make sense.

But this drivel from her is constantly nauseauting. And what's her current position on the Iraq war? Oh yeah wait and see. Nothing like someone else's LIFE versus your dream job.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 02:02 AM
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138. They just don't get it.
I'm sorry guys for JOE. I tried, I did. I did what I could!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 08:40 AM
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139. I get all Tipper Gore over violent video games, but with
nearly 50 million people uninsured in this country, time spent policing video games is wasted. I do not like Hillary, but she could change my opinion if she focused on important issues. Video games, music lyrics, Janet's boobie . . . not important.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:31 AM
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140. Ahhh...the warmongers have their priorities in order...no fake violence,
only REAL violence.
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