An actual quote by John Forbes Kerry

[Michigander4Dean]

"Stop crying in your teacups," he told an audience in response to outcries about the stolen election of 2000. "Get over it!"

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/07/10_kerry.html

[Monte Carlo]

1. He did. The context, however, is much different than the GOP shouts.

Kerry is a friend, and sometimes friends need to tell each other the awful truth. We must get over it because it's in the past and cannot be changed. Never forget.

[cheezus]

2. sounds ok to me

We need to stop fretting about the past and focus on the future!

[eileen_d]

3. A quote without actual context

This has been rehashed here before... can someone else post what Kerry said right afterwards? Wasn't it something like "Fight back!"

Sorry, I need to have a very late lunch.

[Name removed]

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[aldian159]

5. Don't get mad, get even

n/t

[BuelahWitch]

20. But why couldn't he say "Never forget and get even"?

Instead of sounding like a Freeper? :eyes:

[youngred]

32. because that's not as good a rhetorical flourish

in giving a speech it provides a better distincton between the two points...unfortunately it lends itself to being taken out of context by people with a grudge

[macedc]

37. Here, here

beside elections for president have been stolen before and will bve again

indeed quit complaining and win the next one

[blm]

6. That quote was taken out of context

and spun into an intenet legend.

Kerry was using it to say don't just get mad, work hard and get even.

But the legend claims he used it to show contempt for activists. Untrue.

[joshcryer]

45. So you admit he said it.

Thanks, I was wondering what the apologists had to say about it. I was confused, conflicting opinions said he didn't say it.

[sandnsea]

7. 1,349 post on this

Why?

[virtualobserver]

9. because we can't get over a stolen election.

It is like "getting over" Democracy.

[youngred]

14. because its not true

but some keep overlooking that

[sandnsea]

22. Will you ever fight?

That's what he said. Why do you keep twisting it when you know full well that's what he said? What self-satisfaction does it give you to distort his words? To what end? Whining about how unfairly Democrats are being treated hasn't gotten us anywhere so far. Fight. That's the only way to win. That's all he was saying and you know it.

[virtualobserver]

26. I found it to be insulting

It is Kerry's unwillingness to actually fight that offends me.

Until Howard Dean showed Democrats that you could get away with attacking Bush, Democrats were fighting in the manner of a limp dishrag.

I'm not convinced that this isn't merely a fad among the other Democrats.

[sandnsea]

27. Sure sure sure

Kerry was attacking Bush when Dean was still saying "We ought not criticize the President."

[virtualobserver]

28. I didn't just fly into town.....

I have witnessed the lack of fight in Democrats.

Delay and the gang were calling Dean a traitor for some of his criticisms.

[sandnsea]

31. Uh, excuse me?

Delay and the gang called Kerry a traitor for his regime change comment. I didn't just fly into town either, I heard the criticisms coming from Kerry before I ever knew who Howard Dean was.

Besides, the point now is why keep posting this stupid crying in your teacups crap when the point all along was for every single Democrat to get up off their duffs and FIGHT BACK. So, again, Kerry led the way on that, not Howard Dean. So why don't you do what we did and fight FOR your guy instead of just ripping apart everything in your path.

[virtualobserver]

33. Because another thing that I can't "get over" ....

is the enabling of the Bush agenda by Democrats.

I just don't trust Senate Democrats to take care of things.

Bush lost the election, but you would never know it by the actions of Democrats in the Senate. John Kerry had a chance to prove to me over the last four years that he would fight the Republicans and it just didn't happen.

[sandnsea]

46. It did happen

You just can't hear him. He isn't screaming and ranting and acting like a retard. He's telling you to go out and just do the work, put one foot in front of the other, get the voters, tell the truth, and win. Sitting in a sandbox with your thumb in your mouth and crying about Florida isn't going to do anybody a damn bit of good. It happened, we can't change it, quit licking your wounds and get up and fight.

[MaddogTerp]

8. Um... teacups?

who the hell drinks tea? oh yeah, rich goofs from Massashuchetts...

so, what, he expects us to ignore it? doesn't he want a fair election in 2004? Or does he have something else up his sleeve? what's the deal?

[Bertha Venation]

12. I do.

I drink tea. I'm not rich and I'm not from Massachusetts.

I'm also a Howard Dean supporter, and unless, god forbid, he drops out before the MD primary, he's getting my vote.

Look at the context. "Quit whining and fight back." Kick the loser prick from TX out the door.

Edit: Forgot to add: Welcome to DU. :hi:

[youngred]

16. its an expression

not a question of aloofness :eyes:

Put the quote in its proper context and it is better understandable

[ieoeja]

44. The South?

Quite common in the south and the bible belt.

[Bertha Venation]

10. All I can say about this comment by Kerry is:

Get over it. :shrug:

JM2¢

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. He followed up that line with "Don't get mad, get even."

He was talking about taking effective action versus being victimized no matter how many times the statement is recontextualized by those crying in their tea cups over Howard Dean's poor campaign strategy and management.

[quinnox]

13. Get over it

n/t

[janx]

15. "Bring it on!" "Get over it!"

And people wonder why some of us have a hard time voting for this guy?

[Dookus]

17. So what would you prefer?

that he encourage everyone to continue crying in their teacups? Should we focus energy on undoing the 2000 election, or winning in 2004?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. This line is a verite performance of what is preferred

why bother asking?

[Dookus]

25. I know...

but I'm amused that people keep quoting this as some sort of prima facie evidence of... um.. well I don't know what exactly.

I haven't heard anybody defend the other side - SHOULD we keep crying in our teacups? Are they offended that somebody would suggest that's not a winning strategy?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

18. The quote is taken out of context.

Kerry said that the 2000 election is over with and that we must move on. The fact is that nothing can be done about the theft of the election.

John Kerry is a good man and has my full support if he is the nomminee.

[Ficus]

21. he is right

we need to get over 2000 and focus on 2004. Lets not let it happen again.

[oasis]

23. Actual quote from a fellow DUer:"Get over it and focus on 2004".

[Ficus]

29. what will fix 2000 except by winning in 2004?

???

[Ficus]

34. I'm waiting

for your answer after you slammed me

[oasis]

36. That was no slam, that was advice. Let's be proactive, it's Kerry's advice

as well. What percentage of valuable campaign time do you want to spend on the 2000 elections?

BTW, if you check my first post, you'll discover that it was not directed to you, and was a reply to the original author of this thread.

[Ficus]

38. I'm so sorry

I thought that I was being slammed. I feel that the only time that needs to be spent on 2000 is quietly beefing up GOTV in areas that were close, and making sure people aren't disenfranchised that were before.

Otherwise, we gotta concentrate on 04 and win.

[oasis]

41. No harm. Check the text of my last post, I re-edited for clarification.

[JFKvsGWB]

24. How often do we need this quote posted on DU?

this is dupe x10

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

30. Al Franken's next book about lying should focus on the left:

WRP: In terms of the 2004 campaign, the central argument put up by a lot of people in the Democratic base who are against you is that you don’t “get it.” They see other candidates as fighting for their progressive values, and they see you saying “Get over it” after the election debacle in Florida, as quoted by the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. In contrast, your voting record in the Senate is clearly as progressive as the day is long. Where do you stand with the progressive community? Do you “get it”? Can you be their leader?

JK: I believe that I am the most consistent, most accomplished progressive fighter in this entire field. My record over 35 years of standing up and fighting for progressive causes is clear on with respect to women, with respect to the environment, with respect to children, education, health care, our role in the world, human rights, civil rights. My record is stronger, longer and deeper than any other candidate in this field with respect to the progressive agenda of this party.

When I say “Move on” from 2000, I’m as angry as anyone else. Votes ought to be counted. But my objective is to win. My objective is “Don’t get mad, get even.” They way you get even is to go out and take that agenda to the country and build a coalition around it. I think if you compare my record to the people in this field, I think it’s clear that I am the progressive candidate. I am the one who has stood up and taken the risks and fought for the agenda of my party with consistency.

I think the progressives in our party need to look and see who has the ability to take that progressive agenda and still stand up and beat George Bush. We don’t need to send the country a message. We need to send the country a President.

http://truthout.org/docs_03/122203A.shtml

[adadem]

35. Pretty much the

same thing Al Gore told ya.

[Debi]

39. Frankly I prefer:

"Do you know who I am?"

[mitchum]

40. Nice selective quote there

0 for 11, huh?

Kerry 2004

[sistersofmercy]

42. Gee, does this have to be posted every few days?

There must be a Skull and Bones thread coming up next.

[cindyw]

43. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Is this a contest to see how many times Dean supporters can re-post this and act surprised and astonished as the quote is taken out of context?

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