Carvilles' attack on Dean exposes the republocrats.

[niallmac]

Carvilles statements against Dean are so foreign to my logic board
that I can only conclude:

This is it. This is the wimpy 'other agenda DLC' that my peers have been warning me about.

Thanks to Carville DLC is no longer a boogy man under my bed.
DLC is here in my living room with the lights on staring me in the
face and waiting for me to cave.

I get it now. DLC hates progressives and the popular will of the people.

It really helps when someone is able to clearly define what for me has been
a fuzzy wimpy hard to see enemy.

[WCGreen]

1. It's not about ideology.....

It's about losing relevance...

He is attacking something tat obviously worked....

And his time, perhaps in his mind, is now officially past...

I think he felt since triangnelation worked in the 90's, it would work all the time...

Just as Rove thought the strutting Macho Shit worked twice that it would work again...

Political consultants, like most consultants, hit something that works and then tend to stick with that approach...

It's human nature...

Now that the fifty state approach is more cradable than triangulation, Dean's approach is in Vogue...

[cadmium]

9. I'm glad he revealed himself: Considering Carville an ally is like

considering John McCain a friend.

lest anyone have any doubts---At best he values his ambition over democracy = at worst he is the ultimate troll.

[tsuki]

23. Matalin's sockpuppet is now fringe. What kind of pundit has to call unsolicited

to a newspaper to deliver his attack?

[blm]

2. Carville is married to a war criminal - He is leading for the COVERUP wing of the Dem party

against the anti-corruption, open government wing of the Dem party which Dean boldly chose to side with as head of the DNC.

The last thing the COVERUP Democrats want is for the anti-corruption, open government Democrats to reach the Oval Office. They need to get Hillary in there to coverup for Bush2 the way Bill did for Bush1.

[fooj]

6. Excellent points.

[Vidar]

14. Well said.

[still_one]

3. I think it is all about power. Carville is extremely jealous

He had no involvement in this victory, and it was a significant one which has NOT been accomplished

[mtnsnake]

4. You wanna know what Carville's so called "attack" on Dean exposes?

It exposes the neurotic paranoia that runs rampant on this forum and manifests itself in gross over-exagerrations.

If you really care and if you really want to do something about it, organize a real-life protest instead of joining the countless other chronic whiners and over exagerraters who have nothing better to do with their time but complain complain complain about everything under the sun, but will never lift a finger to actually do something positive about it.

[Dogmudgeon]

5. What he said

:thumbsup:

I could kick James' ass, too, but the way to do it is to ... kick James' ass.

I think James would approve, not that anyone should be seeking his approval. In fact, I think that's why he shot his mouth off -- he wanted a little action. Let's see that he gets it, and without all the Freepish paranoia.

Stop whining. Get active.

--p!

[ProSense]

8. "Freepish paranoia"

You've got to be kidding!

[Cha]

30. I'm so glad we have the

"whine" police around here who should look at themselves before casting anymore whine stones.

[Dogmudgeon]

32. We have.

We also worked for our candidates and did GOtV. And got called TRAITOR! WHORE! anyway.

It wasn't the whining that did it. Hearing that we're "whores" and "traitors" because we don't hate Hillary or Bob Casey enough would piss anyone off.

I'm tired of being on the cannibals' menu. Go scold someone else.

--p!

[Cha]

35. You go scold

someone else, yet again.

[ProSense]

7. So-called? Carville said “The R.N.C. did a better job than the D.N.C. this year.”

Yet you respond by attacking people who criticize him for an obvious attack:

It exposes the neurotic paranoia that runs rampant on this forum and manifests itself in gross over-exagerrations.

That exposes your willingness to back Carville at the expense of integrity!

[survivor999]

11. f*ck Carville.

[mtnsnake]

13. I'll back a powerful & loyal Democrat like Carville any day of the week

& twice on Sunday, as opposed to giving in to the gross over-exagerrations that are spewed about him here 24/7.

Just like nobody proved me wrong in the other thread where I challenged all the know-it-alls to prove their case that Carville actually called for Dean's ouster...and nobody could...I'm not going to sit idly by and watch the unjust massacre continue against him just beause you would like me to.

The only reason you're here to pile on is because you're paranoid about Hillary Clinton, and you know that Kerry's chances don't hold a candle to hers, to Obama's, and especially to Al Gore's should he throw his hat in the next primary. You and everyone else are out to get Carville because it's really more about Hillary than it is about Carville, and if you don't admit that, then please don't talk about "integrity" to me.

Hope that's of some assistance...

[ProSense]

15. I'll back Howard Dean over Carville any minute of the day! n/t

[mtnsnake]

16. I'll back 'em both! nt

[ProSense]

17. Then accept that Dean has a right to respond to Carville,

and people have a right to criticize Carville for his comments:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2956505&mesg_id=2956505

[mtnsnake]

21. Of course Dean has a right to respond to the statement Carville made,

but when people go running around parroting something they read from a post at Daily Kos as if it's gospel, when in fact there was never a link to back up the assertion that showed Carville said he wanted Dean ousted...when he didn't say THAT but simply made a hypothetical question about Harold Ford...well that's just plain WRONG.

It's also plain wrong for what happened next....people running around posting MORE gross exagerrations, only about Harold Ford this time, all because he got mentioned by Carville.

[ProSense]

24. Carville's statement about the RNC was despicable! n/t

[mtnsnake]

26. See, we CAN agree on something

although despicable is a little bit strong. Inappropriate is a description I've already used, but to each his or her own.

[blm]

18. If Hillary thought she could stand on stage with Kerry and dominate the debates TeamClinton

wouldn't be so actively trying to take him out now - - but they know she CAN'T DO IT, so they'll try to do their best sliming him and Dean.

If Hillary's so awesom why does she fear the series of debates?

And don't even try to PRETEND Carville wants his wife investigated for her role inBushInc and Iraq war group.

Don't even PRETEND he wants his wife to go down in history as a war criminal and traitor to the Constitution. He will protect BushInc with the Clintons out of loyalty to his WIFE and the Clintons.

[mtnsnake]

22. Hey, if Hillary gets the nod over Obama or Gore, I'll bet you get offered a job

as campaign manager for the other side, the side that hates Hillary almost as much as you do! Just think, you'd be the first Democrat ever offered that job. Stranger things have happened.

[blm]

25. Carville and the Clintons coverup for BushInc - try reading REAL HISTORY.

I would NEVER side with BushInc - The Clintons and the COVERUP wing of the Democratic party DO, just as they have been since 1993.

So YOU side with BushInc every time you promote a coverup Democrat and take shots at the anti-corruption, open government wing of the Democratic party.

You just don't care what real history says because you're invested with the coverup team.

[mtnsnake]

27. There you go, making wild assumptions again

What gives you the idea I can read?

[dflprincess]

36. Loyal Democrats do not spill strategy to Republicans

even if the Republican is their wife.

Per Woodward's book, Carville let his wife know that Kerry was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio. Matalin ran to Cheney with the news, who in turn contacted Kenneth Blackwell.

[niallmac]

28. organizing a real-life protest about everything I deem outrageous

isn't really practical. I do sense that you have something to say about my complaint
about Carville and the DLC. Anything specific or just venting?
I'd really love to hear some constructive criticism without quite
so much in the way of name calling. Go for it.

[survivor999]

10. He's just envious.

And has other agendas. He's just a hack.

[greeneggs708]

12. So

James Carville speaks for every one in the DNC. We must destroy everyone in the DNC. They are terrorists and have no right to disagree with us, whoever we are, we are now in charge.

And who says we have no plan. We are going to destroy Carville and Emmanuaul and Pelosi, and everyone that doesn't worship Fidel Castro as the savior of the world.

And they say Democrats have no plan.

Just watch America. Two years of Dem on Dem fighting.

Here's a thought, get over it.

[niallmac]

29. Get over what? And welcome by the way...

Are you saying get over my observations about Carville?
Another poster wants me to take to the streets and quit whining.
What do you mean get over it? Do you mean ignore it and
not defend Dean? Do you think I'm wrong to take umbrage
with Carville in this?
How do you feel about his attack? Just askin.

[Blue-Jay]

33. Minus 10.

Try harder next time.

[Tyo]

19. The DLC is so busy rimming corporate ass that they almost forget to come up for air n/t

[mandyky]

20. He's mad becuz the Brits chose Dean over him

to run the UK's Labor Party elections in May. I hope the Party stands behind Dean, but if Dean gets ousted he could run for President again, which I would love!

[election_2004]

31. Carville also predicted Harold Ford would defeat Corker

Ooops.

[PBass]

34. Attacking Howard Dean the same week as an election SWEEP... Ludicrous.

We need another Zell Miller like we need a hole in the head.