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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:25 AM
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Quick! Please Help Me Respond to This Piece of Poop My Aunt Sent Me
Please Help Me Respond to This Piece of Poop My Aunt Sent Me, I gotta go canvassing, but I'd like to sent a quick rebuttal out first. - THANKS

By now you've all seen the Democrats' latest campaign slogan:
"A New Direction For America -- Vote DEMOCRATIC!"
Let's analyze this empty and misleading promise.

The stock market is at a new all-time high and America's 401Ks are back. A
new direction from there means what?

Unemployment is at 25 year lows. A new direction from there means what?

Oil prices are plummeting. A new direction from there means what?

Taxes are at 20 year lows. A new direction from there means what?

Federal tax revenues are at all-time highs. A new direction from there means what?

The Federal deficit is down 50% more than p redicted last year.

A new direction from there means what?

Home valuations are up 200% over the past 3.5 years. A new direction

from there means what?

Inflation is in check, hovering at 20 year lows. A new direction from there
means what?

Not a single terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11/01. A new direction from
there means what?

Osama bin Laden is living under a rock in a dark cave, having not surfaced
in years; if he's alive at all. While 95% of Al Queda's top dogs are either
dead or in custody, cooperating with US Intelligence Agencies. A new

direction from there means what?

Several major terrorist attacks already thwarted by US and British Intel,
including the recent planned attack involving 10 Jumbo Jets being exploded

in mid-air over major US cities in order to celebrate the anniversary of the

9/11/01 attacks. A new direction from there means what?

Just as Bush had planned and foretold us of on a number of occasions, Iraq
was to be made "ground zero" for the war on terrorism -- and just as Bush said
they would, terrorist cells from all over the region are alighting the shadows
of their hiding places and flooding into Iraq in order to get their faces
blown off by US Marines rather than boarding planes and heading to the United
States to wage war on us here. A new direction from there means what?

Moreover, bear in mind that all of the above occurred in the face of the
1999 tech crash, the epidemic of corporate scandals throughout the 90's,
and the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks on NYC years in t he planning which
collectively sucked 24 trillion dollars and 7.8 million jobs out of the US

economy even before G. W. Bush had time to unpack his suitcases in

the White House.

It's easy for the Democrats to attempt to discredit, disgrace and defame
our commander in chief, George W. Bush -- that's what they do.

What's not so easy for them to do is to refute irrefutable facts.

Do yourself and this country of ours a favor and don't be a mindless

and bent on hate and blame-shifting simply in the nameof hate and

blame-shifting.


Take heed of reality, use your head and cast your vote wisely in

the upcoming elections.

The stakes are far too high today,as America's very future,

and yes, even its very survival, is now at stake.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:27 AM
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1. Tell them it takes two quarters to make a trend.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:31 AM
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2. Just wait until Tuesday...
And have the election results talk for you.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:33 AM
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3. Here you go.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pol/229493625.html

Time for a new direction Truthie
Reply to: [email protected]
Date: 2006-11-02, 10:30PM PST


ANALYZE THE PROMISE.........


The Democrats new promise "A New Direction For America - Vote Democratic



Your Statement: The stock market is at a new all-time high and America's 401K's are back.

Reply: Very Few people are benefiting from the stock in the market and it only took it 5 years to get it back to what it was in 2001 when Bush took office


Statement: Unemployment is at 25 year lows.

Reply: Maybe....but real wages are lower than they have been since 1950. (We can all have jobs...we just can't make a living)


Statement:: Oil prices are plummeting.

Reply: Hardly... So after more than doubling in price in two years a 15 percent drop is plummetting? And numbnuts... you think it might have anything to do with the election? These Oil-men have been known to manipulate the markets for years. You think they can't? How stupid can you be? Watch what happens after the election? And oh by the way, it always drops during the Winter

Statement: Taxes are at 20 year lows.

Reply: Are you out of your mind? Low for whom? Federal income taxes might be down slightly for the average American.. but those taxes have been replaced by user-fees like tolls or highways...fees for National Parks etc. It's really down for all those mega-millionaires.


Statement: Federal tax revenues are at all-time highs. .

Reply: No there not.. Where do you make this crap up?. Actually Federal Tax Revenues are stagnant per capita

Statement The Federal deficit is down almost 50%, just as predicted over last year.

Reply: Big Deal Clinton ran Surplus after Surplus after Surplus after Surplus and was on track to wipe out the National Debt entirely. Bush has ran one huge deficit after huge deficit after huge deficit ...and now you want to brag that the deficit is slightly smaller... Give us a break. And you didn't say how they accomplished that ...did you? This President and your scummy Republican Congress have been selling off huge tracts of public lands at incredibly low prices...to shore up Revenues

Statement: Home valuations are up 200% over the past 3.5 years.

This is a good thing??? Ever try and buy first home? after watching the houses skyrocket? And FORECLOSURES are skyrocketing too. Why do you think there is Real Estate Bubble? Prices are dropping all over the country except in a few markets and even there they are stagnant this year. You should really stop smoking dope.

Statement: Inflation is in check, hovering at 20 year lows.

Reply: I don't buy this for a second ... I always wonder who is manipulating this. do you really believe what these liars are feeding you?

Statement: Not a single terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11/01.

Reply: And there wasn't an attack on US soil for how long before that.. You dumb moron would try and take credit for the Sun rising in the morning...wouldn't you?

Statement: Osama bin Laden is living under a rock in a dark cave, having not surfaced in years, if he's alive at all, while 95% of Al Queda's top dogs are
either dead or in custody, cooperating with US Intel.

Reply: Now you really are talking out your ass. . You don't know where Osama is.... It's been more than 5 years since Bush said WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE!... Tell us OH DELUDED ONE. Where is his corpse? Never mind that the Intelligence Agencies say there we are creating more terrorists than we are killing.

Statement: Several major terrorist attacks already thwarted by US and British Intel, including the recent planned attack involving 10 Jumbo Jets being
exploded in mid-air over major US cities in order to celebrate the anniversary of the 9/11/01 attacks.

Reply: That's just Police work. NEVER MIND...9-11 WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED HAD BUSH AND THIS ADMINISTRATION DONE HIS JOB!!! This administration was told point blank that Osama Bin Laden was a major problem and that need to focus on terrorism. BUSH COULD'NT EVER REMEMBER THE PRESIDENTIAL BRIEFING WARNING ABOUT TERRORIST ATTACKING AMERICA BY CRASHING HIJACKED PLANES INTO BUILDINGS!!! BUT THAT DIDN'T KEEP GEORGE FROM LYING THAT THEY COULDN'T CONCIEVE OF THIS HAPPENING...JUST LIKE THAT BULLSHIT THAT THEY HAD NO IDEA KATRINA COULD BE THAT BAD!!!


statement: Just as President Bush foretold us of on a number of occasions, Iraq was to be made "ground zero" for the war on terrorism -- and just as
President Bush said they would, terrorist cells from all over the region are arriving from the shadows of their hiding places and flooding into Iraq in
order to get their faces blown off by US Marines rather than boarding planes and heading to the United States to wage war on us here.

Reply: A half truth...but oh...so deluded one... Well...what happens when we leave Iraq? All of our nations intelligence agencies are warning that we are creating more terrorists with our actions in Iraq. Bush is responsible for the deaths of more than a half a million people.. almost all of whom had nothing to do with terrorism.... but what the hell.. as long as it's not him or his family...right??

The moron also said the were Weapons of Mass Destruction ...there wasn't

He also said 3 years ago that the Insurgency was in it's last throes.. It wasn't and isn't.

I'm sorry, your wrong. Your President the lying stealing scumbag who wants all of the middle class to work for Walmart at low wages and no benefits.. has helped corporate America steal the American Dream from more Americans than Herbert Hoover and Warren G. Harding combined And by the way.. I work in the Tech Center....and sales for Servers, and Storage and Network Hardware has dropped dramatically in the last couple of years. Bush and the Republican Congress have aided the Drug and health care industry to rape and pillage the pockets of hard working Americans. Every year millions of Americans are being added to the ranks of the uninsured.

This President aided by the Rubber Stamp Do nothing Congress has done everything for corporate America and screwed every working American they can.

* They won't negotiate with the Drug companies for Medicare!
* They stopped Seniors from getting their drugs from Canada
* They protected predatory lendors.. Ever notice how there is a Check cashing company on every corner charging 400% interest
* They protected the banks and credit card companies by making personal bankruptcy substantially more punative
* They aided Enron and other energy companies in 'RIGGING THE Electrical markets allowing them to steal billions from Utilities from Texas to Washington. And even after it was discovered and Enron went bust ...they wanted to force Utilities to pay cancellation fees to the Criminals?
* They put a 24 year old with no financial experience in charge of the Stock Market in Iraq.
* They screwed up government agency after government agency through Cronyism and ineptitude. (WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS ...WOULD REPLACE A CAREER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICIAL AND REPLACE HIM WITH A LAWYER FOR THE ARABIAN HORSE ASSOCIATION?) WHY BUSH..DID
* Authorizing torture!!! I used to think McCain had a backbone.. I guess his ambition got the best of him.
* This Republican Congress has prevented any investigations on virtually any subject that might be an embarrassment to them. Absolutely NO OVERSIGHT TO GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENTS. or WAR PROFITEERING. Never mind there is substantial evidence of it. 8 BILLION DOLLARS IN 100 BILLS....MISSING.. (HOW DO YOU THINK THEY DIVIDED IT UP?) Billions to a couple of Republicans with no Engineering Experience at all to rebuild Iraq's Airport. (Cutler Battle). Massive overcharging for fuel... Halliburton. Charges for 1000s of non-existent meals. ...and it goes on and on and on.

You know what America is sick of.Truthie? All the lies.. Day after day the lies from the mouths of Bush and Cheney and his ilk. Cheney saying that Mohammad Atta met with members of the Iraqi intelligence agency....even though the CIA said he didn't... but not once did Cheney say that...but hundreds of times in speeches and interviews to more than a year after being told it wasn't so.

How many times have we heard them say things are getting better in Iraq ..only to see them get worse.

Do yourself a favor Truthie.. WAKE UP.. When are you going to stop eating that Shit this administration tries to feed us day after day.

You know..Truthie.. I voted for Reichert in the last election...and I would vote for him again... except...If I vote for him.. I get more of the same awful Congressional leadership that protects pedophiles and then lies about it. Dennis Hastert. I get a Republican Congress that is the most gutless, lazy, corrupt Congress in history.

Bribe after Bribe after Bribe... No oversight, no check and balance, just more of the super wealthy bending the rest of us over and giving it to us where the sun don't shine!

NO THANKS TRUTHIE.. This scummy, treasonous, anti-democratic congress needs to be turned around.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:40 AM
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10. SELF DELETE
Edited on Sun Nov-05-06 11:41 AM by muntrv
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:54 AM
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18. Awesome rebuttal!
Edited on Sun Nov-05-06 11:54 AM by Maestro
:thumbsup:
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:13 PM
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23. You are great. Should have waited before I posted.
:bounce:
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:38 PM
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28. HAHAHAHA - Awesome - I Might Have To Tone It Down A Notch Though,
I love my aunt and other than her being a rethug(I honestly can't understand why) - she has been my favorite most of my life.

:toast:
I think you are right on
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Zangal Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 01:29 PM
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32. unemployment numbers
Statement: Unemployment is at 25 year lows.
Reply: Maybe....but real wages are lower than they have been since 1950. (We can all have jobs...we just can't make a living)


Bush's admin retooled the statistics when they took office, something like they now just look back over the past 2-3 months instead of the old standard of half a year. So using Bush's data with the old formulas would make unemployment about 10%
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 05:40 PM
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41. Heath care costs are higher than they've ever been,
grocery costs are higher than they've ever been, in my state car insurance and homeowner's insurance is sky-high, even for people with no claims, property tax rates have climbed precipituously in the past five years, gas costs are high, my state deregulated electricity, claiming it would save customers money, but it hasn't, in fact, electric bills are higher than they've ever been. Turns out, that didn't save the customers a single bit, in fact, prices are UP.

I could go on and on, but it's pretty clear: anyone who thinks the economy is just peachy keen is living in a cave on an island off Mars. Even upper middle class families feel it.

Wages are stagnant or down, too. So you're being squeezed on both income and outgo.

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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:33 AM
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4. Ask her why a growing majority of Americans do not like the results of
Republicans completely controlling the government for the last few years. Ask her why a growing majority of AMericans think we are on the ""wrong track."
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:08 PM
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21. And wasn't gasoline $1.49 a gallon when Bush took office?
I remember that quite clearly. How soon these assholes forget. No wonder they're so easily lead by the Reich-Wing. They believe everything they're told. :eyes: Idiots. I live in a country where 40% of the people are total idiots. :eyes:
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:34 AM
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5. Wait til the democrats control the press
and the news releases. Then the democrats will be the ones who do everything and not the republicans.

AND WHO IN HELL BELIEVES BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ABOUT ANYTHING THEY SAY. Everything they told us has been a lie.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:35 AM
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6. The real estate market is tanking everywhere. Home valuations up 200%
my ass.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:36 AM
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7. A blogspot that answers it all for you to use
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:47 AM
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14. Awesome Blog!
Thanks.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:54 PM
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53. Second That!
Thank You...Fantastic Blog! :)
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 06:16 PM
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43. Thanks- I Am Back In From Canvassing - Gotta Eat Then Get To Emailing
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 06:43 PM
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44. Just now saw this thread...that is an awesome link, THANKS
:kick:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:36 AM
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8. My take home pay is now LOWER than it was in 2000
in spite of modest pay increases every year. The reason? HEALTH INSURANCE. Family coverage through my employer is now over $700 a month.

Until they do something about health care, we are all poor.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:08 PM
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45. Mine Is Too - Quite A Bit -
Its also very hard to replace a descent job here in Ohio....
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:37 AM
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9. How about a soldier's voice - Kevin Tilman, brother of Pat
It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we got out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

Somehow torture is tolerated.

Somehow lying is tolerated.

Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

Somehow this is tolerated.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday."

Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,

Kevin Tillman
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:41 AM
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11. Just a few responses: Markets at all time high -the rich are getting
richer. Most Americans are not part of the investor class. Unemployment is low but what kind of jobs? Wages are lower and the Bush Administration moved flipping burgers into the manufacturing category since "they put things together". Many more Americans are working 2 and 3 jobs to make ends meet.Taxes - much much lower on the upper class, actually higher on middle class since Republicans have eliminated many student loan programs, low income housing programs, etc. Deficit, lower than what? Administration took controll with the highest surpluses in history. Not only ran through all the money, they added billions to the debt. Home prices are starting to fall and the housing bubble has burst. This Administration allowed the lending institutions to design "creative" financing options that were based on housing prices to continue to soar upwards. Now that prices are falling, people are going to start loosing their houses at an alarming rate as their payment soar on balloon payments, etc. Note that with the new banking policies, Citibank made the largest profit in the history of the lending industry just off new fees alone.

This administration "sold" Iraq to the highest bidder. Corporations that were in bed with Bush made brillions of dollars (our tax dollars) and then failed to perform. They have now pulled out of Iraq, leaving the contracts unfulfilled and we are left paying the bill.

The President said the other day that one of his main priorities after they "win" this election is going to be the overhaul of Social Security. Does your aunt really believe that they are going to "overhaul" it to the nation's seniors advantage? Does she really believe that putting our Social Security dollars into the stock market will save it for the future or will it only make a bunch of fat cats fatter.

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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:43 AM
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12. What KIND of Employment ~
...a whole bunch of McJobs that do not even pay the rent?
What about the education cuts, the cuts to services, the giving away of our public lands to private industry for their enrichment that do not include We The People? America is SUPPOSED be
By The People and FOR the People, but right now with the ONLY tax cuts being given are to the rich, so middle and lower income workers are the ones supporting this war, paying the president his wages (for taking more vacations than any other president in history), and the few services left, since they have cut them all. What about Bush REWARDING rich companies for laying off Americans, killing high income jobs and going off shore so they do not pay any taxes? This is just off the top of my head, but sheesh I could go on all day.

Sometimes repukes make me sick!

Cat in Seattle
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:16 PM
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46. They Totally Make Me Sick -
You are right about the jobs available - sucky low paying jobs - if you have benefits they take a huge chunk out of the meager check....and prices of everything are going up - I don't believe their rhetoric about how low inflation is either...
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:43 AM
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13. RE:"The Federal deficit is down 50% more than predicted last year."
Bill Clinton had budget SURPLUSES. I wanna go back to those days.
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:56 AM
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19. Yeah. Saying...
that the deficit is only $300 billion this year than the predicted $600 isn't much of an achievement.

Imagine that one morning you plowed into group of twenty kids waiting for a school bus. The cops charge with vehicular homicide, a DUI (not your first) and for doing 60 mph in a school zone. At your trial, your defense is, "but I killed only ten of them, not all twenty, so I've done 50 percent better than I could have."

That isn't likely to win you an acquittal.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 01:26 PM
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31. IOW, they predicted high, and now can say "lookeee! lower!"
As you point out, we're still in the red. There's a $500 billion difference between the surplus Clinton left Bush and today's deficit. That's all on George.
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:48 AM
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15. First of all...
when you get email like this, you should send it back, stamped "rejected," on the basis that is spam. I have a right wing aunt who used to forward junk to me all the time. I guess she got tired of my sending back to her a link to the Snopes website where she could read that she was wrong.

Just one point. Your Auntie Dearest referred to the "1999 tech crash." What 1999 tech crash?

NASDAQ Index All-Time High

The NASDAQ stock exchange hit it's all-time high point on March 10th, 2000 at 5132.52. The heavily tech dependent exchange would fall more than 62% in the following two years when the bottom dropped out of the, so-called Internet bubble.


The S&P 500 also hit its all-time high of 1527 in March 2000. I can come up with the exact day, minute even, if it's necessary. It has not returned to that value; neither has the NASDAQ. The S&P 500, being a much broader index than the DJIA, is considered a better indicator of stocks in general than the narrowly focused DJIA, which looks at only 30 stocks.

Finally, irrational exuberance had a lot more to do with the tech bubble than who was in office at the time.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:51 AM
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16. Four questions
1) So where are the jobs?
I know lots of people, including myself, looking for full-time work at a decent wage.

2) Why are they posting nuclear secrets on the internet?
I thought they said they were making America safer.

3)How big is the actual federal deficit now, compared to when Clinton left office?
Playing around with numbers doesn't hide the true size of the deficit.

4) Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy?
And do you really believe oil prices won't rise once the election's over?
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:35 PM
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49. I Bet the People On the Gulf Coast All Feel A Lot Safer
I imagine gas prices will start going back up around 7pm Tuesday.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:52 AM
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17. Here are a few thoughts
http://icasualties.org/oif/

9/11 occurred under the bush watch

What did the Iraq war have to do with 9/11, and how come Afganistan is becoming a disaster

Foreclosures are at record highs

Inflation is at check? just look at the prices of food and oil. Does your Aunt really think things are less? Ask anyone who is on a fixed income, such as a senior

There are over 40 million people who don't have medical insurance

Does your Aunt want medicare and social security sent to the private sector, and is she for states NOT being able to negotiate better pharmecutical prices?

Here is what the Democrats want to do:

break the link between lobbyists and legislation."
Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Raise the minimum wage
Cut the interest rate on student loans in half.
Allow the government to negotiate directly with the pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.
Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds

and much more

Does your Aunt believe that invalidating Habeas corpus is a good thing? If so, don't even waste your time with her, she is a lost cause

and unless she is independently wealthy, if this administration's trend is not stopped, your Aunt will pay, and get exactly what she deserves. Unfortunately, so will the rest of us, except we don't deserve it








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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:23 PM
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47. This Is the Unbelievable Part - My Aunt Is Retired
They had most of their retirement savings ripped off by some greedy rethuglican bastard and they are now living on Social Security.- She is slowly dying from post-polio syndrome (maybe her brain is oxygen starved?) - this woman was an awesome nurse (my uncle a country doctor) who dedicated themselves to giving the best health care possible - so this is why I cannot begin to understand were she is coming from now. They always seemed SO Sensible.


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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:00 PM
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20. Typical Republican bullshit..........
spew out a bunch of lies, call them facts, then mock the Democrats using those made up "facts". Do you notice there's not ONE BIT of factual data supporting ANY of her claims? NOTHING! NADA! ZILCH! That's because it's all lies and you can't support lies with hard data.
Example: The whole country is turning gay. Even Ted Haggard, an Evangelical Minister has turned gay.
Now, it's not too hard to refute that claim, right? But this is how these jingoistic, one liner, Republican morons frame the debate and have been for the past 10 years. LIE!
Ask your Aunt for hard data supporting each and every claim she made. Quotes from Republican web-sites don't count. Independent, verifiable data only, please.
You'll still be waiting for a reply a week from now.
:grr: ASSHOLES!!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:11 PM
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22. Here-
The stock market is at a new all-time high and America's 401Ks are back. A
new direction from there means what?
(Yes, we are shoving more wealth from the bottom to the top. Wages, when compared to inflation, are dropping.)

Unemployment is at 25 year lows. A new direction from there means what?
(A higher minimum wage for those stuck in low end WalMart jobs due to the outsourcing to China of our industrial base.)

Oil prices are plummeting. A new direction from there means what?
(Until after the election.)

Taxes are at 20 year lows. A new direction from there means what?
(That Paris Hilton will have to pay taxes. And that wages and obscene windfall profits will be taxed at the same level.)

Federal tax revenues are at all-time highs. A new direction from there means what? (Corporate profits are at the windfall level. 10 billion a quarter for the oil companies. It would be nice if they would spend some of that revenue on safety, but what's a few dead miners and oil workers?)


The Federal deficit is down 50% more than p redicted last year.
A new direction from there means what?
(Who cares about the deficit? It is a tiny, tiny portion of the 8 trillion dollar NATIONAL DEBT, more than DOUBLE what it was 6 years ago. And since when is running a deficit okay with Republican. But never mind, your children and grandchildren can pay it down, maybe.)

Home valuations are up 200% over the past 3.5 years. A new direction from there means what?
(That the housing boom is now bust. Just ask those reeling under "creative" financing from lending institutions and trying to get out from under. And don't consider bankruptcy. The Republicans took care of that one-for the working man only, corporations can still go bankrupt.)

Inflation is in check, hovering at 20 year lows. A new direction from there
means what?
(How is that? Gasoline prices alone should guarantee that inflation is spiralling upward. And if you think prices are lower now than 6 years ago, a new direction for you would be a reality check.)

Not a single terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11/01. A new direction from
there means what?
(What about the anthax attacks that keep occuring? And BTW, why did 9/11 happen on the Republican's watch when intel showed that Osama was determined to strike on American soil?)

Osama bin Laden is living under a rock in a dark cave, having not surfaced
in years; if he's alive at all. While 95% of Al Queda's top dogs are either
dead or in custody, cooperating with US Intelligence Agencies. A new
direction from there means what?
(He can be caught?)

Several major terrorist attacks already thwarted by US and British Intel,
including the recent planned attack involving 10 Jumbo Jets being exploded
in mid-air over major US cities in order to celebrate the anniversary of the
9/11/01 attacks. A new direction from there means what?
(That LAW ENFORCEMENT catches them in the act, rather than the Republicans blabbing all the intel they have to make political hey-hey look at me, me.)

Just as Bush had planned and foretold us of on a number of occasions, Iraq
was to be made "ground zero" for the war on terrorism -- and just as Bush said
they would, terrorist cells from all over the region are alighting the shadows
of their hiding places and flooding into Iraq in order to get their faces
blown off by US Marines rather than boarding planes and heading to the United
States to wage war on us here. A new direction from there means what?
(Finding Osama Bin Laden. Finding the anthax terrorists. And getting out of Iraq where we are creating more terrorists. Beefing up our port security, and not turning it over to UAE, the nation that bankrolled the 9/11 attack as we have. Implementing the 9/11 Commission reccommendations which we have not done. The list is too long.)

Moreover, bear in mind that all of the above occurred in the face of the
1999 tech crash, the epidemic of corporate scandals throughout the 90's,
and the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks on NYC years in t he planning which
collectively sucked 24 trillion dollars and 7.8 million jobs out of the US
economy even before G. W. Bush had time to unpack his suitcases in
the White House.
(And there have been no corporate crashes since, no Congressmen going to jail, no lobbying scandals, no CEOs stealing their companies blind, no trips and pay-offs, no windfall profits for the oil companies, no loss of habeas corpus, no oversight, and no dying in foreign lands. And if Stupido can not unpack his bag in eight months, he has a real problem. He needed to listen to his advisors who were telling him THAT WAS GOING TO BE AN ATTACK rather than clearing brush on his pig farm.)

It's easy for the Democrats to attempt to discredit, disgrace and defame
our commander in chief, George W. Bush -- that's what they do.
(GWB did it all by himself when he turned over his pResidency to Cheney and became a mere comma.)

What's not so easy for them to do is to refute irrefutable facts.
(Then give me some. Talking points are for dittoheads.)

Do yourself and this country of ours a favor and don't be a mindless
and bent on hate and blame-shifting simply in the nameof hate and
blame-shifting.
(No, be a dittohead and vote against your own best interests.)


Take heed of reality, use your head and cast your vote wisely in the upcoming elections.
(Don't vote for the corporate best interests.)

The stakes are far too high today,as America's very future,and yes, even its very survival, is now at stake.
(And the survival of Democracy itself. Or you will find troops turned on Americans just like John Warner's bill gave the pResident the right to do.)

IN SUMMARY, if you love the American ideal, VOTE DEMOCRATIC.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:17 PM
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24. 401k is back
to where it was FIVE YEARS AGO! Thanks for nuthin' bush (god love 'im).
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:19 PM
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25. What really kills me about these things
Is they're a huge, long laundry list of crap. If you shoot down 5 or 6, the sender can think that means the others are okay. I'd mention that in my intro -- that just because you aren't refuting an item in this e-mail doesn't mean it's okay.

First, the economy is doing well on paper. However, it's been shown time and time again that not everyone is benefitting. The people at the top are doing really well, and everyone else is suffering. You could tell her that Warren Buffet said after Bush came into office "If there's class warfare going on, my class is winning." They're continuing to win.

My favorite is "we haven't been attacked in 5 years." Tell her then she must have LOVED Bill Clinton because he kept us safe from 1993 to 2001 when he left office. Or ask her, innocently, when the previous attack on US soil was (answer 1993). Then ask her when the most recent attack was (2001). Then ask her according to that schedule, when should the next attack occur (2009). Then add that Bush's war is quickly approaching the number of Americans killed on 9/11.

Or just write back, please don't send me any of this garbage. It's uninformed, smug, and not very entertaining.

Oh, and be sure to hit "reply to all."
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #25
34. And...we HAVE been attacked since 9/11
The Anthrax mail bombs, several instances of single terrorists using cars or guns to kill groups of people. The MSM just "chooses" to call them other things...
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:11 PM
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35. Yup and furthermore
I consider London and Madrid us. I can't believe the number of idiots who are willing to throw our allies under the bus as long as their tushies don't get hurt.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #25
48. Oh - I Plan To - That's One Reason I Need Good Sources for My Reply
:hi:
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:21 PM
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26. Send this article from a business reporter at the Boston Herald
Bush economy nothing to broadcast
By Brett Arends
Boston Herald Business Columnist

Wednesday, October 11, 2006

The neocon talk-show hosts were so angry last week they could barely speak.

The “mainstream media” and “the drive-by media” and “the liberal media,” they said, were deliberately ignoring the president’s great record on the stock market, on gasoline prices and on jobs.

Why don’t the media talk about the Dow, they demanded.

OK. Let’s.

The Dow Jones Industrials Average closed last week at 11,867. That’s a gain of 1,279 points since George Bush took office on Jan. 20, 2001.

That’s an annualized gain of 2 percent.

Under Bill Clinton, it was 15.9 percent.

Bush’s dad: 9.8 percent.

Ronald Reagan: 11.3 percent.

These figures are public record.

The index also did better under Presidents Ford, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Calvin Coolidge. Much better.

Since World War I, the only presidents with a worse Dow Jones Industrials record than the incumbent were Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter.

Hoover, Nixon, Carter, Bush? Hmmmm.

I’m saying nothing.

Let’s talk about gasoline prices.

Yes, they’re down 73 cents a gallon from the peak in August. Average today: $2.26. But in January 2001, they were $1.46. So they’re still up 55 percent.

Jobs?

Since January 2001, the jobless rate has risen from 4.2 percent to 4.6 percent.

Over that period, non-farm payrolls have added an average of 46,200 jobs a month. That’s good, right?

Clinton: 237,000 a month.

Reagan: 168,000.

Carter: 215,000. Carter!

Bush’s dad presided over a recession so bad it cost him his job. His record must be worse, right?

His average: 54,000 a month. That’s 17 percent higher than junior’s.

Hey, don’t blame me. They asked.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 01:09 PM
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30. Good find, rosebud!
:nuke:
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:40 PM
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33. Fortunately I had copied and pasted that article on a blog, because its archived
and no longer available for free on Boston Herald

Actually if the repugs do mass mailings so should we
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:53 PM
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38. I'll second that. Great find! Short, sweet, to the point. n/t
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 05:27 PM
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40. Ka-zing! You should make that its own thread. :-)
Those kinds of stats are exactly what people need to have onhand over the next two days.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:46 PM
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52. will do n/t
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:22 PM
Response to Original message
27. Suddenly they are interested in the economy? LOL.
What about terra?

What about Iraq, still going on, still a mess? That's what the Dems refer to as needing change.

Continuing in the Iraq quagmire will be bad for the economy.

The debt we incurred due to Iraq will hold the economy back for decades.

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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:38 PM
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50. TerraTerra - and the Attack of the Killer Toothpaste
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 01:07 PM
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29. 1993 - 2001
Osama is a patient man and unpredictable. I'm surprised Condi didn't say, who would have thought they would have gone after the same buildings?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:19 PM
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36. Sorry about your aunt being a stupid nazi bitch
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:40 PM
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51. Ha- and I Haven't Even Heard from My Pathetically Stupid Brother On This
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:50 PM
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37. One line answer: Are YOU better off than you were 6 years ago? n/t
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:57 PM
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39. So Shrubbie wasn't unpacked yet by Sep. 2001? Maybe that vacation he
took in August should have been spent working.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. I just caught that, LOL.
Took him more than nine months to unpack?

And we're supposed to believe he did his own unpacking?

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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 09:04 PM
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54. Thanks All - I Just Sent Off My Reply - I Will Pass On Any Comments I Receive
:toast:
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