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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 04:15 PM
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Dean Deserves a LOT of credit-Where's it at?
Had we picked a pro-Iraq war party chairman, the GOPers could easily have used that against us - just like they used it against Kerry. Thank God for Howard Dean!




Disclaimer: I supported Clark in '04 and will again in '08.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 04:20 PM
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1. from a solid Kerry supporter
:toast:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 04:29 PM
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8. another one - I praise Dean for doing what McAuliffe refused to do - BUILD
and strengthen the party's infrastructure that had been left to collapse since 1997.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 04:50 PM
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10. McAuliffe fixed the party's financial problems, give him some credit!
Dean himself has repeatedly given McAuliffe credit for paying off its debt, building a permanent HQ building, and having put the Democratic Party on a solid financial footing. Without those things, Dean wouldn't have been able to do what he did on the 50 state strategy. He would've had to spend his time trying to bail out the leaky boat before it sank.

Dean's done a great job, but he's building on the work that McAuliffe did so give McAulifffe some credit.

It's great that we can bring people with diverse talents into the leadership so that we can build a party based on many strengths.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 05:50 PM
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15. I understand that aspect, and it was a very DC-centric approach that
Edited on Sat Nov-04-06 06:05 PM by blm
would have been fine if he hadn't ignored the infrastructure at the same timein so many crucial states - a task he could have delegated to a number of regional directors.

And it's not like the grassroots in many states didn't have the energy after 2000, there was just no plan.

And it reinforces the prevailing observations from then that DNC expected to lose and was taking a pass on the 2004 election and wouldn't devote themselves to it.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:41 PM
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25. I agree the infrastructure was sadly neglected. Maybe it was too much
to do at the same time. I don't know.

But, I think Dean has done an absolutely outstanding job and I am so impressed with what he's done and the effect it's having. I wanted this kind of thing to start in 2000, and then in 2002, but I'm sure glad it started after 2004.

Dean is wicked smart about people, enthusiasm, infrastructure, energizing people, etc. And I think he knows that he was done in by the DC centric crowd, as were manyother candidates in states across the country, and he was willing to stand up and take on this leadership role.

Of course, I was a Deaniac from the beginning and I still am.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:50 AM
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28. I agree that Dean and the other primary candidates saw firsthand for two years
that the party infrastructure was collapsed in many of the states they traveled to, and I admire that Dean decided he could do something about it and wrested the power of the DNC from the Clinton wing of the party who came up with the targeted states plan after they lost the south in the 94 election.

Almost every primary candidate has been working to build the infrastructure and contributing to help Dean, but they couldn't even be effective with their work if Dean hadn't stepped up to do the job needed.

I think the power struggle is going to worsen after next week. I hope we prevail over the establishment who intends to exert THEIR muscle to control 2008.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 04:21 PM
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2. Dean's 50 state grass roots plan is
working. I have been out there for 25 years and I have never witnessed so may enthusiastic people for candidates. The mass governors race is just a grass roots miracle. Dean is responsible for the work and money that has been contributed.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 04:22 PM
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3. Fight 'em in fifty states....gotta love Howard! NT
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 04:22 PM
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4. For the first time in FOREVER, we have a slew of great candidates in TX! -eom
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 04:24 PM
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5. He'll be crowned after we win Congress.
He has a lot of credit coming to him and he is going to get it.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 04:24 PM
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6. Carville and Begala are waiting to absorb it onto themselves....
...if the Dem candidates they endorsed win big on Tuesday.
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American Jesus Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:01 PM
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22. Carville and Begala can go straight to Hell
And when Jesus says that, I mean it. I'm very fed up with the DLC's continuous assault on Howard Dean, despite all he has done for the Democratic party. The DLC won't deserve any credit for this victory, but they'll try to take it anyway.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:03 PM
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23. Unfortunately....
Carville and Begala are like roaches that won't die. And I'm sure they'll be crapping plenty of "Hillary '08" stickers out of their asses, too.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 04:28 PM
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7. Can I get a Dean scream?

YEEEEAAAAAAGGGGGH!


The next step, win or lose, is to wrest control of the Dem party from the DLC.

Oh, and Clark/Obama '08!

:bounce:
rocknation
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 04:34 PM
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9. Amen!
So many good potential candidates for 2008.

Down with the surrender-monkey DLC!




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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 06:27 PM
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19. YEEEEAAAAAAGGGGGH! (sp?)
nt
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 04:55 PM
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11. Dean may have been the difference if we take the House
I'll be interested to see how many seats we take that would have been uncontested if we followed Rahm Emmanual's strategy as opposed to Howard Dean's. Even if he doesn't admit he was wrong, he better give some credit to Dean if we win big.
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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 05:01 PM
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12. Love Howard Dean!
50 States! All of us together! Saving the Nation!
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NOLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 05:03 PM
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13. Dean is the single most important person to come to the fore of the Democratic Party
since the Big Dog.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:43 PM
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26. Maybe even more important, because he's building an entire
organization across the country that is based on Democratic Party principles.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 05:04 PM
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14. We had an "I appreciate Dr. Dean for his 50-state strategy"
Edited on Sat Nov-04-06 05:06 PM by acmavm
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 06:28 PM
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20. Missed that one - Thanks -nt
nt
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 06:00 PM
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16. Dean deserves the credit for having candidates
and supporting them in areas not considered winnable - if they weren't there - the opportunity would have been lost. The people fighting Dean are real losers.

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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 06:09 PM
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17. The only major " pro-Iraq war" democrat on the scene is Lieberman
I'm not aware of anyone who was in the running for the chairmanship who was "pro-Iraq war".

Dean hasn't won anything yet. Stop everyone acting like we're in the clear. It'll make it all the more worse if we get fucked politically by the nations idiots and/or vote thieves again.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 06:15 PM
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18. I ALWAYS give Dean lots of credit for putting our Party back on track
...except for when I miss seeing one of these threads!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:43 PM
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21. Dean is rebuilding the party from the foundations up & speaking out
every chance he gets. He has has my eternal thanks & gratitude.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:20 PM
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24. If things go well Dean will get his credit Tuesday night/Wed Morning and after...
Dean's credit will be coming soon....stay tuned.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:51 PM
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27. wholeheartedly agree....
Dean deserves GREAT credit, no matter what happens.

Of course, the DLC types will grab the credit if we win, and blame Dean if we don't.
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