Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login

Are Higher Taxes in the Offing?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:17 PM
Original message
Are Higher Taxes in the Offing?
The Wall Street Journal

Are Higher Taxes in the Offing?

Republicans Stir Voter Fears, But Democrats' Options Are Limited
October 30, 2006; Page A6

WASHINGTON -- Republicans' 11th-hour campaign strategy includes stirring voter fears of a Democratic tax increase. But a big increase would be unlikely under a Democratic Congress, at least over the next two years.

In part, that is because Democratic leaders have, as the election nears, limited their options by repudiating proposals once popular in the party, like boosting taxes on the rich and on investments. Democrats don't want to "retroactively roll back the tax cut," New York Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel, who would become chairman of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, said in an interview last week. Leaving the breaks in place until their scheduled expiration in 2010 is "good tax policy and good politics," he added. Even if Mr. Rangel and other congressional leaders sought to go back on those promises, they would be hemmed in by moderate members in the party that they recruited to pick up seats in Republican-leaning districts. Many of those politicians have said they would be reluctant to back any tax increases. And President Bush likely would veto any such proposals.

That isn't to say that Democrats don't want to make changes in tax policy if they win a majority in the House or Senate on Nov. 7, or that their influence won't be felt. They likely would block any attempts to extend estate-tax relief after 2010 -- a proposal that nearly passed earlier this year under the Republican-led Congress. And they have said they would push for higher taxes on corporations, particularly oil companies, by eliminating breaks and urging a crackdown on "loopholes."

Democrats say they would also likely try to steer any new revenue toward paying for extending tax breaks aimed at lower and middle-income families, like a child credit, the 10% rate for low-income families; and relief from the so-called marriage penalty -- a set of provisions that can cause people who are married to pay more in tax than if they were single. Another tax issue for many Democratic lawmakers is relief from the alternative minimum tax, a complex set of provisions designed to make sure people don't rack up so many deductions and credits that they avoid taxes altogether. For all the tax talk in the 2006 campaign, it is the 2008 election that will have more significant implications for tax policy. That is because voters then will be choosing a new president as well as a new Congress -- and those politicians will determine the fate of Mr. Bush's tax cuts, most of which are slated to expire during that congressional term, in 2010.


Democrats are focused on closing the "tax gap" -- the estimated annual $300 billion or so in taxes that are owed but not collected by the federal government -- to raise revenue. That includes a number of tax shelter loophole-closers. Democrats also have promised to roll back tax breaks for oil companies and other multinationals. Democrats likely would resort to those before attacking any of the existing Bush breaks. A senior Democratic House leadership aide said that "a number of our members see the value" of the investor breaks, and "there's no way we're rolling them back." The aide added that lawmakers may discuss raising rates for the highest-income households and could even propose that in the House budget resolution. But "I don't know that it's going to happen," the aide said. "If that was at the top of agenda, she would have put it in the Six for '06" -- her list of top priorities for the Congress that begins in January. That list includes eliminating tax policies that benefit big oil companies and encourage shifting of jobs overseas; making college tuition tax-deductible; rewriting the Medicare drug benefit; expanding stem-cell research; and overhauling U.S. policy in the war against terrorism, including a phased redeployment of forces out of Iraq starting this year.

(snip) (subscription)

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:47 PM
Response to Original message
1. Just roll back the f**ing tax cuts already. Sadly, the "journalists" reporting this
are in the elite minority who have benfitted greatly from them. And, even worse, so are many of our elected representatives. MKJ
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:54 PM
Response to Original message
2. Jesus CHRIST!!!! you think somebody (say the Repubs) are trying to proactively limit any actions that Democrats might take to reverse the loss of our country??? Democrats must swear not to impeach....Democrats must swear to not raise taxes....Democrats must swear to--fill in the blank!!!This is unadulterated horseshit and Dems should say so.Try this as a reply "If after being elected, we failed to act AS DEMOCRATS, then we would be equally as hypocritical as those were elected as republicans and then governed as neo-cons. To think the public would elect us to act UNLIKE Democrats is to underestimate their intelligence and to misread their desires."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. I agree but if they have a brain in their heads they will cut Middle class taxes
they could wipe out the 30 years of "tax and spend" propaganda in one fell swoop. The Republicans would lose half of their talking points.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
3. Well, if you grossly overspend your limits, do you have to pay back into
the piggybank to settle your debt? Bush screwed us with massive debt, undercut the dollar all over the world and destroyed our manufacturing infrastructure.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Not to mention that foreign nationals subsidize our budget deficit
This is what most people (and politicians) choose to ignore. The US government issues bonds and other IOU papers and someone is buying them and right now these are foreigners.

Which means that it at some point they will decide that they do not trust the ruling class, they could send us to a severed recession, perhaps even depression.

This, of course, is also what happens when we send our manufacturing capacity overseas, replacing them with the "service economy" when we need to go shopping to sustain the economy.

Remember papa Bush shopping for a pair of socks in 1992?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 04:26 PM
Response to Original message
6. Andrea Koppel, CNN, just did a long segment on the Dems will raise your taxes,
along with trashing other Dems who stand to take over as heads of key committees. There was NO rebuttal of any kind from her, or any spokesman for the Democratic party.

CNN--Corporate News Network--media mouthpiece for the GOP!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. She is actually worse than Candy Crowley
and that is saying something
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 04:44 PM
Response to Original message
8. Somebody has to pay off the fucking national debt.
I say all the major big business firms and wealthy individuals who backed GWB should be made to pay the most for running up the debt.

Cut taxes deeply for the poorest third of America, and give modest tax cuts to the middle third of America.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
QShok Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. I bet your plan raises your taxes.
If you make a combined income of about $50K or more you won't get a tax cut under your plan.

We should just concentrate on the ultra rich, the top 5% making $150K+.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Actually, it would cut your taxes.
What I'm sayiny is cutting taxes at one end and shifting them onto the other end.

If you make 55,000/year, you would get a tax cut because a good portion of your income would fall in the lowest brackets that I would cut.

You have to move through lower tax brackets to get to upper tax brakets. Most of your 50,000 would be in the lower tax brackets, so you would see a cut.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun Jul 23rd 2017, 12:45 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC