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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:45 PM
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If Ford wins this year, Obama runs for president...
If he doesn't, then he will entertain a spot on the ticket...

Here's why...

Tenn is a bellweather southern state...

Not as conservative as some, more conservative than others...

A large influx of Northern culture into the state...

If Tenn elects a black senator, the south could very well be ready for a black president...
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:47 PM
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1. It's a good theory
But I don't think Obama will base his decision 100% on Ford winning or not. After all, Gore didn't even win Tennessee. Certainly if Ford wins, I think it gives more credence and credibility for an Obama campaign for sure.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:50 PM
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2. I'm just saying that if he wins, Obama will run for sure....
Things could change between now and 2008 and probably will...

But if a southern state can vote for a black senator who is also a dem, Obama will run for sure...

If Ford doesn't win, that doesn't mean Obama won't run, but chances are he would run for VP...
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SouthernBelle82 Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:32 PM
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30. And you know this how?
There could be any number of reason's why Obama wouldn't run. He's still a newbie to the big boy politics, he might have something come up with family or anything else could happen from now until the next campaign season. This is why I like the idea of canidates waiting until next year to announce if they are running or not. Doing all that work and than they have to drop out.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:51 PM
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4. It works the other way around too. If Ford loses, Obama's chances fade
A loss by Ford, especially because of this racist ad, will show that there is still a huge amount of latent racism in the US -- possibly too much to elect a black president or vice president in 2008. Obama was able to avoid this type of ad in 2004 because his oppponet, Alan Keyes, was black. Obama could not avoid it from the GOP in 2008. Remember Jesse Helms' ads against Harvey Gaant in 1994. They were racist but sadly they worked.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:52 PM
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5. For sure....
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:50 PM
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3. I'd almost bet Obama will be asked to be someone's VP but
will be surprised if he runs. He has even got to realize he needs a bit more political seasoning. Or not. :shrug:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:58 PM
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6. How do you feel about this combination?
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 07:14 PM by CaliforniaPeggy
I rather like it, down the road aways........

And your idea holds water too......


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2903616

Edited for wrong link......
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 07:11 PM
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7. I still think at the end of the day, Hillary stays in the Senate....
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 07:12 PM
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8. Anyone heard of the one-drop test?
We must remember Ford and Obama are 50% black at the most (a great number of Americans have a small amount American Indian blood and don't realize it, especially those of African descent in the South, but certainly for all races this is true.)

I strongly oppose the one-drop test used for teh sake of labeling. Both are as white as they are black and at least Ford probably has American Indian blood as well. To do otherwise is to fall into the socialization of labeling and selling a person short of their individuality and true heritage.

</rant>
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 08:15 PM
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10. I disagree.....
I think that what you are talking about is one of the ways that can be used to divide and conquer and dilute the Black Race here in America.

Please understand that most Black people in the United States are "mixed" with something....so Ford is no different in this feat (even if his family had light skinned Blacks marrying Light Skinned Blacks--which used to be almost rule back in the days--so that Light Skinned Blacks could feel that they were somehow different from Darker skinned Blacks (look up the Jack & Jill Club of America and watch "School Daze" a movie by Spike Lee for references to this Black on Black issue)....and so for him to somehow deny himself by calling himself something other than Black would be an affront to Black folks everywhere. It would be a denial of one's race....when for centuries, Black has been Black no matter what they were mixed with.

In terms of Obama, I would daresay that he is as Black as most other folks calling themselves Black in this nation. Remember that his father was African...which most likely means that his father was 100% a Black man....which if the majority of American Blacks in the U.S. were to go back into their family tree, many would note that they have White and/or Indian in there somewhere!

My mother is White and my father was Black (with some mixture of white in his background)...and yet I call myself Black....not half & half, not a mulatto, not a quatroon, not a creole, and not biracial. Why should I call myself something that separates me from those who share my heritage, even if I am not 100% African like only those from the motherland can claim? Why should I be something else...some kind of category that doesn't even really exist? Maybe if I wasn't proud of my Blackness, I would try to find something else to be rather than Black....But I love the Black side of me....and far as I'm concerned, I am a Black person, period.

Please understand that this is 2006. Don't think that Black folks always label themselves Black because they have to......many call themselves that because they choose to.
Please understand that most Black people in the United States are "mixed" with something....so Ford and Obama are both more typical rather than the exception.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:34 PM
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19. Response to response...
You have a thoughtful response.

I don't disagree 100%. I do have many black friends who get frustrated with such labeling however. Ford, for example, is majority non-African. One of my roommates, for example, was talking to me about him. I expressed my frustrations about qualifying people as something they are not and he, an American of African descent, shared those frustrations. Ford is as white as he is black, or more so. Labeling is what we need to get away from when we can and see them as an individual rather than grouping them categorically.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:40 PM
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21. Further...
"It would be a denial of one's race".....but by calling themselves black, they're ignoring the white/Indian/etc part.

Additionally, I do see your point about identifying themselves as "black" culturally. I've never taken issue with that. But often it's just a color label for biracial/multiracial people that they put on themselves.

I have a fraction Indian in me and I am extremely proud of that fact. But I can't really call myself American Indian. I can't call myself German, which is my majority heritage, either because that would be denying the other 14+ nationalities I have. I'm American. And I don't recall speaking with one person of African descent who would rather have that label than going by color labels, regardless of the percentages of their various heritage.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:11 AM
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23. In our "Black" Book, Ford is a Black man.....no matter
His family may have married folks that were similarily "mixed" for some time now, which accounts for his light skin.....but he is still Black. So Ford, just like his father and his father's father and his mother and his mother's mother are all Black People; they do not consider themselves some sort of Hybrid race...which, in essence, is what you are saying. Please know that most Black folks like being Black....and they range from the lightest shade of Beige to the darkest Ebony "almost" Blue. And Ford, just like myself, would not appreciate being labeled "something else less defined"....

My Husband, who was born in America, has his race actually noted on his Birth Certificate (they don't do that in France... which is where I was born).....and like Ford, although he is not "pure" Black (in fact, he is 25% Cherokee Indian, cause his mom was half), it does still read "negro".....and keep in mind that one's nationality has nothing to do with one's race; meaning they are both Americans as well as Black, hence they are both African-American.

Go to New Orleans some day and see if all of those mixed up folks consider themselves anything but Black. Some will say Creole to feel "special", but in the end Creole is just another label for Black, and most accept that.

In the Black community, the days were distinctions are made based on the hue of one's browness has long passed and thank God for that!

It is important to remember that most Black folks got their White blood through the institution of slavery, servitude and rape. The lighskinned ones were worked as "house slaves" while the darker ones were the "field slaves". This labeling instigated great division amongs Black people...where the lighter skinned ones were proclaimed somehow better because they came closer to being "White", and were often treated better as well. This divisive distinction based on one's hue was not helpful to the Black race here in America, and indeed is not something that many light or browner skinned Folks would choose to see coming up again in any conversation. It was the White man's way of dividing and conquering.....making some feel that they were better than others when in reality, we are all in the same boat.

Most Black folks would prefer NOT to somehow proclaim the fact that their great-grandmother was the product of a union between a White master and the slave, or attempt to separate themselves from their browner brothers and sisters just cause somebody is telling that it's an OKay thing to do...considering that skin color is not something chosen...because again, many of those born that way, back in the days, was oftentimes not conceived based on a love unions but rather because they were someone's property. This labeling by society didn't just end one day....it is still very much a part of our society. There are too many families that will have a brown hued child and then a very light one. What should those folks do? Use different labels for different chidlren? Do you really think that if Rosa Parks (who was lightskinned) got some sort of form now, she would check off something other than the "African-American" box? Why should she? No one asked her what other blood she had in her when the White Bus driver wanted her to get up out of her seat on that bus!

So you see, folks like Colin Powell, Halle Berry, Harry Belafonte, Alisha Keyes, Quincy Jones,(Exceptions like Mariah Carey who tried to "pass" now wishes she wouldn't have done that) and so on and so forth all consider themselves proudly Black...cause that is what they are....and they have no problems with it...so you really shouldn't either.

Take it from a sista'....I know!

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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:18 AM
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24. There are 2 kinds of...
heritage. Biological and cultural.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:34 AM
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25. I don't truly know what that means....but Ford is a BlackAmerican man.....
and even though I was raised by my White French Mother in France till I immigrated here, I always considered my race as Black...although my nationality is French. Culturally I grew up as a French person....but hell, there's plenty Black folks in France too...and they call themselves French, but yet they are Black...so I don't know what you are referring to! :shrug:
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:35 PM
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31. But black isn't a race....
If the human race really needs to be broken down into pieces, your race is the various origins of heritage you have. To call yourself black when you're only partially African is fine, but that's the culture you identify with. It isn't your race nor heritage. Your heritage is African, French, etc. and your race is the like (black, white, etc).

From talking with friends, people with even some limited African ancestry identify with a group for that sake and to feel a part of something larger as well as to show their pride in a part of their ancestry that historically has been stomped on. It's an identity factor and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm simply drawing a distinction between subjective identity and objective heritage origins.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:59 PM
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32. In this society, Black is a race just as White is.....
and since this conversation was based on race as this society understands it, that was what my posts were about.....

I'm don't think we need to get technical about this, because voters certainly won't.....and Rep. Ford and Sen. Obama would most likely agree with all that I have said....and if they don't, I'd love to debate it with them! :)
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 08:01 PM
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38. My point was....
Whether others associate them with being black, the reality is they're at least as white as they are black. I was pointing in general to using imagery to define one's race when that is an inaccurate and superficial measure.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:08 PM
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34. I agree with this view
hey Frenchie. :hi:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 07:59 PM
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9. Why? Are all Black folks the same or something?
Running to become a Senator vs. running for the highest office of the land are not the same thing, to begin with! :shrug:

Ford and Obama are not interchangeable people. Apart from both being light skinned Black men who belong to the same party, I don't find that there are many similarities between these two. Have you listened to the Ford/Corker Debates? Ford is very, very conservative for a Democrat! I mean....very! Ford is not Obama, and I don't think that the color of their skin will cover up the difference in their policy beliefs. One voted for the IWR, the other didn't and actually said that it wasn't a good idea beforehand. Obama is much more progressive than is Ford, even if he's more moderate....and this will make a difference in the south. Southerners aren't going to vote for some Northern Illinois Senator just because he happens to be Black....although they might vote for a Senator because he's a Southerner. Also, Senators don't need foreign policy experience to bring a certain level of confidence to their state in the way that a potential commander in chief, in this day and age, should. Don't think that Foreign policy/National Security issues are going away....they aren't....and many voters in the South will definitely be taking note that while Ford was more than qualified for the position he ran for, Obama is very much a novice in some important areas.


Using the logic presented, Obama ALREADY won running for senate, then he should be able to run for Prez without waiting to see how well Ford does in Tennessee....because it will Obama that runs, not Ford--and like I said, they are not the same person!

Don't sell either short by squashing them together and making them one.....cause it won't work.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."--Martin Luther King, Jr.



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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 08:23 PM
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12. Southern State electing a black to the Senate for the first time
since reconstruction...

That is what I am talking about...

It's reality...
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 08:18 PM
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11. We don't need to win the deep south
We only need to pick up states like Ohio. Besides, there's nothing to say he can't run for president and THEN accept a VP nomination if he doesn't win the party nomination himself.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 08:26 PM
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13. Tennesse is not the deep south...
Florida and Virginia are also considered Southern States.....

As is Texas and LA...

The only states I would truly rule out, as of now, for the Dems's in 2008 are Alaska, Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Mississippi, North and South Carolina and Utah...

Every other state should be in play...
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Josh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:05 PM
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14. I'd add the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Montana, and Wyoming -
but I agree that Virginia should most definitely be in play in 2008. Less sure about TN, WV, and FL, though I somehow have this odd feeling that Arkansas will be competitive.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:15 PM
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17. Every state you named is swinging over to split ticket
status...

Except perhaps Oklahoma...

I forgot about OK...
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Josh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 07:15 PM
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36. In presidential races?
I think that's a bit optimistic. :)
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 08:03 PM
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39. Perhaps....
But we shall see....

I see more democrats moving into these areas and starting to tip the balance
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:16 PM
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28. Hi Alhena!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:10 PM
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15. this is bs
trying to make a generalization about "the south" and its readiness for anything is foolish. basing it on a single event with unique circumstances is ridiculous.

if Ford wins it will be because he beat the other guy.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:44 AM
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22. It's just an opinion...
back up by thirty years of political involvement...
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:11 PM
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16. Obama's words of wisdom on the passage of the billending habeas
corpus..."it was messy" People were rapturous at his wisdom.

"It was messy" was all he had to say. This guy could never take a hard position on anything.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:27 PM
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18. You need to check your facts - you're just flat out wrong
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 09:29 PM by beaconess
Obama did NOT say only that "it was messy." In fact, he spoke at length and very eloquently against this bill.

Remarks of Senator Barack Obama on the Military Commission Legislation
Thursday, September 28, 2006

I may have only been in this body for a short while, but I am not naive to the political considerations that go along with many of the decisions we make here. I realize that soon, we will adjourn for the fall, and the campaigning will begin in earnest. And there will be 30-second attack ads and negative mail pieces, and we will be criticized as caring more about the rights of terrorists than the protection of Americans. And I know that the vote before us was specifically designed and timed to add more fuel to that fire.

And yet, while I know all of this, I'm still disappointed. Because what we're doing here today - a debate over the fundamental human rights of the accused - should be bigger than politics. This is serious.

If this was a debate with obvious ideological differences - heartfelt convictions that couldn't be settled by compromise - I would understand. But it's not.

All of us - Democrats and Republicans - want to do whatever it takes to track down terrorists and bring them to justice as swiftly as possible. All of us want to give our President every tool necessary to do this. And all of us were willing to do that in this bill. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to the American people.

In the five years that the President's system of military tribunals has existed, not one terrorist has been tried. Not one has been convicted. And in the end, the Supreme Court of the United found the whole thing unconstitutional, which is why we're here today.

We could have fixed all of this in a way that allows us to detain and interrogate and try suspected terrorists while still protecting the accidentally accused from spending their lives locked away in Guantanamo Bay. Easily. This was not an either-or question.

Instead of allowing this President - or any President - to decide what does and does not constitute torture, we could have left the definition up to our own laws and to the Geneva Conventions, as we would have if we passed the bill that the Armed Services committee originally offered.

Instead of detainees arriving at Guantanamo and facing a Combatant Status Review Tribunal that allows them no real chance to prove their innocence with evidence or a lawyer, we could have developed a real military system of justice that would sort out the suspected terrorists from the accidentally accused.

And instead of not just suspending, but eliminating, the right of habeas corpus - the seven century-old right of individuals to challenge the terms of their own detention, we could have given the accused one chance - one single chance - to ask the government why they are being held and what they are being charged with.

But politics won today. Politics won. The Administration got its vote, and now it will have its victory lap, and now they will be able to go out on the campaign trail and tell the American people that they were the ones who were tough on the terrorists.

And yet, we have a bill that gives the terrorist mastermind of 9/11 his day in court, but not the innocent people we may have accidentally rounded up and mistaken for terrorists - people who may stay in prison for the rest of their lives.

And yet, we have a report authored by sixteen of our own government's intelligence agencies, a previous draft of which described, and I quote, "...actions by the United States government that were determined to have stoked the jihad movement, like the indefinite detention of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay..."

And yet, we have Al Qaeda and the Taliban regrouping in Afghanistan while we look the other way. We have a war in Iraq that our own government's intelligence says is serving as Al Qaeda's best recruitment tool. And we have recommendations from the bipartisan 9/11 commission that we still refuse to implement five years after the fact.

The problem with this bill is not that it's too tough on terrorists. The problem with this bill is that it's sloppy. And the reason it's sloppy is because we rushed it to serve political purposes instead of taking the time to do the job right.

I've heard, for example, the argument that it should be military courts, and not federal judges, who should make decisions on these detainees. I actually agree with that. The problem is that the structure of the military proceedings has been poorly thought through. Indeed, the regulations that are supposed to be governing administrative hearings for these detainees, which should have been issued months ago, still haven't been issued. Instead, we have rushed through a bill that stands a good chance of being challenged once again in the Supreme Court.

This is not how a serious Administration would approach the problem of terrorism. I know the President came here today and was insisting that this is supposed to be our primary concern. He's absolutely right it should be our primary concern - which is why we should be approaching this with a somberness and seriousness that this Administration has not displayed with this legislation.

Now, let me be clear - for those who plot terror against the United States, I hope God has mercy on their soul, because I certainly do not. And for those who our government suspects of terror, I support whatever tools are necessary to try them and uncover their plot.

But we also know that some have been detained who have no connection to terror whatsoever. We've already had reports from the CIA and various generals over the last few years saying that many of the detainees at Guantanamo shouldn't have been there - as one U.S. commander of Guantanamo told the Wall Street Journal, "Sometimes, we just didn't get the right folks." And we all know about the recent case of the Canadian man who was suspected of terrorist connections, detained in New York, sent to Syria, and tortured, only to find out later that it was all a case of mistaken identity and poor information.

In the future, people like this may never have a chance to prove their innocence. They may remain locked away forever.

And the sad part about all of this is that this betrayal of American values is unnecessary. We could've drafted a bipartisan, well-structured bill that provided adequate due process through the military courts, had an effective review process that would've prevented frivolous lawsuits being filed and kept lawyers from clogging our courts, but upheld the basic ideals that have made this country great.

Instead, what we have is a flawed document that in fact betrays the best instincts of some of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle - those who worked in a bipartisan fashion in the Armed Services Committee to craft a bill that we could have been proud of. And they essentially got steamrolled by this Administration and by the imperatives of November 7th.

That is not how we should be doing business in the U.S. Senate, and that's not how we should be prosecuting this war on terrorism. When we're sloppy and cut corners, we are undermining those very virtues of America that will lead us to success in winning this war. At bare minimum, I hope we can at least pass this provision so that cooler heads can prevail after the silly season of politics is over. Thank you.


http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060928-remarks_of_senator_barack_obama_on_the_military_commission_legislation/index.html

Next time, you might want to do some research before proclaiming that "it was messy" was "all he had to say." Not only did you shamelessly misstate his position and his commitment, you didn't even quote him accurately.

Talk about sloppy . . .
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:35 PM
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20. Why not Ford? Ford will have won Tennessee. Obama only ...
... won Illinois.
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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 04:22 AM
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26. I don't see what Ford has to do with Obama
Fact is a democrat don't need to win in the south to be elected president.

More interesting to me will be the result in VA. With northern Virginia growing very fast and voting more and more blue, it will be a good sign to see if a democrat can win in Virginia.

I think a black candidate is overdue. And I think the right black candidate can win without necessarily carrying any southern state.

Speaking of the south, I am also interested if a black candidate can win in the deep south state of Mississippi, where 40% of the population is black? He'll need 20% of the white vote to win the state.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 07:36 PM
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37. We Really need to stop writing off the South....
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 08:41 AM
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27. IL is more like US than TN. Why isn't his own Senate victory an indication
of the mood of the country?
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SouthernBelle82 Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:31 PM
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29. So because of that
that means Obama should run? I don't think so. Just because one person wins a seat doesn't mean another canidate will win. Obama and Ford are two different type of canidates. Ford is a pretty conservative democrat compared to Obama (more of a moderate in my opinion) and Tennessee is a moderate to conservative state compared to Illinois where Obama is from. This is like when Rudy Guiliani came down here to Tennessee to campaign for Corker and he said he would run if Corker won Tennessee.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:04 PM
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33. I think you jinxed Ford
Have you seen the latest polls? 5 points down now to Corkhead.

damn!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 08:04 PM
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41. That was bound to happen...
We can only hope that Ford has his machine running on all cylinders..

I believe he still has a great shot at winning..
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:11 PM
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35. If he runs, it won't be to win...
Edited on Wed Oct-25-06 01:17 PM by chaska
It'll be to energize the black vote, to get his name out there for a future run, for a nice position in the next whitehouse administration, and/or *possibly* for the veep spot. He's too new to the game to be running for real. He's a smart guy, he knows this.

He's also smart enough to know that Senators don't typically do well in presidential races. He's gotta get himself outta there, if he's to have a real shot at the whitehouse.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 08:04 PM
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40. I think Obama would make a great VP choice for the 08' nominee.
He could make a great president someday.
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