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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 06:59 AM
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Damn! They're already at it again in Ohio
From the Cincinnati Enquirer... http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061018/NEWS01/310180007

Oops! Wrong postage on ballots
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

HAMILTON – The Butler County board of elections mailed 5,250 absentee ballots that misinformed voters of the postage needed to return completed ballots for the Nov. 7 election.

The ballots, postmarked Oct. 9 and Oct. 10, included an insert that said they should be returned to the Butler County Board of Elections with a 63-cent stamp. The correct postage is 87 cents.

Some ballots were returned to absentee voters for insufficient postage. County post offices now will be instructed to send all absentee ballots to the Hamilton Post Office, said Betty McGary, deputy director of the elections board.

The board reached an agreement with the post office to pay the difference for absentee ballots with insufficient postage... MORE

Look for more of this type of thing, people. The GOP knows they are toast in Ohio unless they find new ways to shave votes!
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:06 AM
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1. Can't shave a 19-25 point deficit.
The GOP is DONE here, and they know it. Barring an act of highway robbery, the only way Blackwell will see the Governor's mansion is to drive by it. One only wishes he would be on his way to prison on such a trip.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:08 AM
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12. Maybe not, but that'll be enough to push
DeSwine past Brown. No one ever said they would steal EVERY election - just enough to keep power.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:08 AM
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2. Perfect, now we know where the central location is
for the ballots to be corrupted before, during, after, the count!

Will there be a Dem and a Rethug there picking up the ballots?
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:09 AM
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3. Well I received mine yeserday and there was a yellow notice saying
postage was 63 cents. The ballot is to be returned in an oversized envelope with two legal sized pages, front and back to vote on.

Thanks for the heads up. I live in Hamilton County.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:26 AM
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4. Glad to help!!
According to the article the ballots with incorrect postage are to be delivered by the USPS to the County Board of Elections where they will supposedly make up the difference in postage, but frankly, I don't trust any balloting snags when the reports are coming out of Ohio!
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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:30 AM
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5. Ham. Cty. absentee postage of $0.63 is correct.
I checked via phone this a.m. Hamilton, Warren and Clermont use op-scan
ballots, Butler uses DRE's; for some reason, their absentees are heavier.
I'm assuming (although it's risky...) that Warren and Clermont are correct
as to the specified return postage.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:34 AM
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6. I'd check the envelope at the Post Office just to make sure
We can't afford to have this bullshit going on in Ohio again. I hope there's a local paper in Butler County that will splash this news on their front page. Of course, if you're out of town or overseas the notice won't do you much good. I worry that overseas absentee ballots that are getting kicked back won't make it to the Elections Board in time.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:16 AM
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13. Ohio Blues, question..
"with two legal sized pages, front and back to vote on."

what exactly does this mean? You have 2 blank sheets of legal size paper
and you place one sheet front and back of the ballot and vote on?
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:20 AM
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15. Both sides of both sheets printed to vote on.
There are various candidates and issues.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:00 AM
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16. Thanks, OhioBlues..
Ah, so you pick from the list and mark the ballot.

They keep refining their plans..

Just wondering the level of difficulty for the next theft.

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:42 AM
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7. Can people fill out absentee ballots at their City or Town Halls?
I am going to City Hall to fill out my absentee ballot today, since I will be in Europe on Election Day. I did the same thing for the primary. But I live in CT.

I am wary of sent-in ballots. So I just go to City Hall, they check verification of my registration and then hand me the absentee ballot packet. I fill it out, seal it and hand it to the Democratic registrar. Granted, it could still not be counted, but the postage deal is something I don't have to worry about. Also, if I am confused about the instructions, there is someone there I can ask.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:50 AM
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9. google Clerk of Courts--they will send you one
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:51 AM
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10. yes.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:44 AM
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8. Let's bookmark this as evidence, gang.
They got caught with this one, but it's just a hint of things to come.

K&R
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:18 AM
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14. Butler County is the site of numerous pro-GOP voting irregularities
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 08:18 AM by theHandpuppet
Thank you, blondeatlast. We need to keep an eye on this and hopefully keep this thread K&R so at least those folks know WE WILL BE WATCHING!

This is just a sampling of what has happened in Butler County during the last cycle:

http://www.harpers.org/ExcerptNoneDare.html
"To what end would election officials risk so malodorous an action? We can only guess, of course. We do know, however, that Ohio, like the nation, was the site of numerous statistical anomalies—so many that the number is itself statistically anomalous, since every single one of them took votes from Kerry. In Butler County the Democratic candidate for State Supreme Court took in 5,347 more votes than Kerry did... "


http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/1012
Election results in Southwestern Ohio
by Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D.
December 21, 2004

Three contiguous counties in southwestern Ohio, all traditionally Republican counties, gave unexpectedly large margins to George W. Bush over John F. Kerry on election night.  All three counties experienced a huge increase in voter turnout.  In all three counties, Bush received a higher percentage of the vote than he did in the 2000 election, and Kerry received a lower percentage of the vote than Al Gore did in 2000.  This study analyzes how it happened.

In Warren County, the administrative building was locked down on election night, all in the name of "homeland security."  No independent persons were allowed to observe the vote count.  Compared to 2000, the population increased by 14.75%, the number of registered voters increased by 29.66%, voter turnout increased by 33.55%, Bush’s point spread increased from 42.24% to 44.58%, and Bush’s victory margin increased from 29,176 votes to 41,124 votes.

In Clermont County, compared to 2000, the population increased by 4.39%, the number of registered voters increased by 10.20%, voter turnout increased by 24.86%, Bush's point spread increased from 37.50% to 41.69%, and Bush's victory margin increased from 26,202 votes to 36,376 votes.

In Butler County, compared to 2000, the population increased by 3.12%, the number of registered voters increased by 10.06%, voter turnout increased by 18.18%, Bush's point spread increased from 29.40% to 32.52%, and Bush's victory margin increased from 40,197 votes to 52,550 votes.

These three counties provided to George W. Bush a victory margin of 130,050 votes, nearly equal to his statewide margin of 136,483 votes....

http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp
Butler County. "In Butler County, the debut of touch-screen voting machines -- and some technical foul-ups associated with them -- caused at least six or seven polling places to open up to a half hour late on Tuesday, county elections officials said." Phone lines were jammed with requests for technical assistance.

http://www.makethemaccountable.com/articles/Ohio_s_Odd_Numbers.htm
First, the county-by-county and precinct-by-precinct discrepancies. In Butler County, for example, a Democrat running for the State Supreme Court chief justice received 61,559 votes. The Kerry-Edwards ticket drew about 5,000 fewer votes, at 56,243. This contrasts rather markedly with the behavior of the Republican electorate in that county, who cast about 40,000 fewer votes for their judicial nominee than they did for Bush and Cheney. (The latter pattern, with vote totals tapering down from the top of the ticket, is by far the more general—and probable—one nationwide and statewide.)

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120404W.shtml
D. Unusual Results in Butler County

    In Butler County, a Democratic Candidate for State Supreme Court, C. Ellen Connally received 59,532 votes. In contrast, the Kerry-Edwards ticket received only 54,185 votes, 5,000 less than the State Supreme Court candidate. Additionally, the victorious Republican candidate for State Supreme Court received approximately 40,000 less votes than the Bush-Cheney ticket. Further, Connally received 10,000 or more votes in excess of Kerry’s total number of votes in five counties, and 5,000 more votes in excess of Kerry’s total in ten others.

    It must also be noted that Republican judicial candidates were reportedly “awash in cash,” with more than $1.4 million and were also supported by independent expenditures by the Ohio Chamber of Commerce.

    While you may have found an explanation for these bizarre results, it appears to be wildly implausible that 5,000 voters waited in line to cast a vote for an underfunded Democratic Supreme Court candidate and then declined to cast a vote for the most well-funded Democratic Presidential campaign in history. We would appreciate an answer to the following:

    8. Have you examined how an underfunded Democratic State Supreme Court candidate could receive so many more votes in Butler County than the Kerry-Edwards ticket? If so, could you provide us with the results of your examination? Is there any precedent in Ohio for a downballot candidate receiving on a percentage or absolute basis so many more votes than the Presidential candidate of the same party in this or any other presidential election? Please let us know if any other County in Ohio registered such a disparity on a percentage or absolute basis.

http://www.mail-archive.com/cannabisaction@yahoogroups.com/msg00000.html In Butler County, Phillips found that in Monroe City precinct 4CA, Bush received 52 consecutive votes near the start of voting, and then another run of 212 consecutive votes.
• Also in Butler Country, in Ross Township Precinct 4JB, Philips found that Bush was awarded 547 votes to Kerry’s 141 votes. In separate sequences, Bush received 41, 29 and 25 straight votes. Neither 4CA nor 4JB were involved in the recount.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:05 AM
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11. Cuyahoga Co Absentee Ballots were prepaid postage
We didn't have to put stamps on them, they were prepaid. Seems odd that this isn't consistent in all areas of the state.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:04 AM
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17. Very odd..
Definitely a state needing a high concentration of Dem monitors.
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